Controversial Idea: Make the remaining demonic crafting components buyable with plat

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Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

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Originally Posted by Flickz

Does anybody that disagreed with this thread have less than 1m gold? Jw

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No.

So far, it's noteworthy that everyone here who has expressed a vociferous opinion against this is from one guild: COT which currently controls a near monopoly (IIRC, I believe I saw Tashyang of Unity with a full set; need to congratulate him in game).

I suspect that they may be trying to protect their investment (apparently, at least one player spent in excess of 10 million on it). My goal in this respect is to create the conditions of such where people who already have the sets can quickly and easily craft them, provided that they are willing to pay. This does create an inherent conflict of interest so I have been a bit more harsh in my replies because of this and I do have some skepticism - whose interests do they have at heart, that of the community, or entrenching themselves as the most prestigious guild in PL?

There is still a reason to farm. If you have 10m+, you have just saved a lot of platinum (almost 200 plat in fact).

Full disclosure on my part:
I suppose it would be unfair if I were to point out COT's inherent conflict of interest without discussing mine. As a PvP player, I view the best possible outcome as one where people can level, people with some dedication can get the end game sets, and do whatever they want after getting them, whether that be to PvP, farm, hang out with friends, whatever. So in that respect, I and the rest of the community (who do not own the end game sets) have an inherent interest in creating policies that would increase the ease in crafting.

As I mentioned, I do wish to create a balance though between this and for that reason, I do support having a system where top items are rare and expensive (thereby requiring some, but not excessive) farming or merchanting (you have to farm to some extent to get to the level cap anyways).

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Really because as a guild we have worked hard farming and made it a goal to put sets together we want a monopoly? As a guild we put a ton of effort in to building up these sets with almost non stop runs. Be them guild only runs or pugs COT has had somebody somewhere on nearly 24/7 scouring for materials.

Yeah we have a few successful merchants in our guild but for the most part it's due to just old fashioned grinding and hard work. I don't have any crafting supplies of my own as I and many other member decided to focus on helping the people who have completed sets. So yeah we are going to have strong opinions when we have spent so much time and effort to accomplishing something and people want to take a short cut. If you feel this set is so vital to your pvp playing experience put the effort in to get it

Personally I'm for the idea of buying recipes and crafting items for plat. Grinding and farming is getting to be extremely tedius, and since I work and make decent money, I like having the option of forgoing the pain of mindless farming and just buy what I want with plat outright.

Having said that, I doubt STS will implement this. Why? Because STS is out to make money -- any decision that STS makes is based on the goal of making the most amount of money over the longest time period. If gear/recipe/components can be bought for plat, there will be a huge influx of plat over a short period of time, then it'll drop off drastically as people wait for new campaings and gears to be released. So it's in STS' interest to keep most stuff lootable only and drop rates rare, as to encourage people to continue buying elixirs for plat and farm farm farm.

No on this one. I can see the benefit towards 'busy' people IRL with jobs, responsibilities, whatever, but. This. Is. A. Game. This isn't meant to be an after-hours pub to cater to the 'busy' only. This change would bring more inequity to the hardcore players versus the benefit gained for the busy players.

If this is indeed implemented, then a single plat purchased ingredient should make the entire thing untradable. The material itself, the finished product, whatever. You want to spend RL money for it so it's easier, be my guest, but use the gear yourself and yourself only.

It's almost a direct way of making $ the key to the game, which I thought was the case to avoid all the time. Sure, elixirs also indirectly give $ an advantage, but you need to have the RL $ (work, job, etc) + the work in-game to use the elixirs. This suggestion only needs you to have the RL $ + no work in-game.

Of course COT (I'm not part of this guild) feels the need to protect their investment and 'monopoly' (silly term, how can they have a monopoly when everyone in the game is given the same chance to get materials). Basic inequity theory. They put a lot input and are rewarded, they see a suggestion like this which reduces the required input, by a lot, and are rewarded the same. No side-taking for me here, just pointing out that it's natural for COT to defend its work and effort into these sets.

Why? Again, if the accusations of COT having no jobs, lazy, whatever, are true. Then they're protecting their work in-game to gain these sets versus the suggested change to this work in-game, which would completely remove it.

10 effort RL + 10 effort in-game = Demonic Glyph Set

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10 effort RL + 0 effort in-game = Demonic Glyph Set

@Mystery:

I have stated very clearly that if my idea is to be implemented, it should be untradeable, just like the recipes are.

As I mentioned repeatedly, you still need the original items base items, so you still need to farm or have money to buy them. The only difference is that if you have everything, crafting is a simple process provided that you are willing to pay.

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Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

@Mystery:

I have stated very clearly that if my idea is to be implemented, it should be untradeable, just like the recipes are.

As I mentioned repeatedly, you still need the original items base items, so you still need to farm or have money to buy them. The only difference is that if you have everything, crafting is a simple process provided that you are willing to pay.

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Must have misread all the posts, I was under the impression that it would still be tradable. I agree on those terms.

Yes, you still need to farm the items, but so do the hardcore players. It wouldn't be fair to have 'rich RL' players who get lucky once end up with an entire demonic set after one day versus a hardcore player who spends a week farming the materials, is it?

If the plat-purchased items have lower stats than the in-game farmed ones, then completely agree with this. The hardcore players should be rewarded most from in-game work versus any amount of RL work.

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Originally Posted by Mystery Trader:429305

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Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

@Mystery:

I have stated very clearly that if my idea is to be implemented, it should be untradeable, just like the recipes are.

As I mentioned repeatedly, you still need the original items base items, so you still need to farm or have money to buy them. The only difference is that if you have everything, crafting is a simple process provided that you are willing to pay.

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Must have misread all the posts, I was under the impression that it would still be tradable. I agree on those terms.

Yes, you still need to farm the items, but so do the hardcore players. It wouldn't be fair to have 'rich RL' players who get lucky once end up with an entire demonic set after one day versus a hardcore player who spends a week farming the materials, is it?

If the plat-purchased items have lower stats than the in-game farmed ones, then completely agree with this. The hardcore players should be rewarded most from in-game work versus any amount of RL work.

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Why would the sets have to be weaker if you buy materials with plat? Pretty much if you took them any lower they would be regular glyph sets and a waste of money. Why support that?

Wow samhayne took all my good posts out.

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Originally Posted by Flickz

Why would the sets have to be weaker if you buy materials with plat? Pretty much if you took them any lower they would be regular glyph sets and a waste of money. Why support that?

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Have you been reading my posts? Buying the materials with plat makes it easier, unless the platinum price clearly calls for the same significance as farming the materials yourself.

Players want the easy way out, fine, go ahead, but you get the weaker version compared to players who worked for the gear the full and more deserving way.

Or handle it like sl does sell gear in plat store with different stats and a different look. Call it angelic put a different color on it an call it a day

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Originally Posted by Mystery Trader

Have you been reading my posts? Buying the materials with plat makes it easier, unless the platinum price clearly calls for the same significance as farming the materials yourself.

Players want the easy way out, fine, go ahead, but you get the weaker version compared to players who worked for the gear the full and more deserving way.

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Gonna have to disagree with this one.

The Demonic sets are only marginally more powerful than the regular glyph sets (by about less than 4% more potent overall). There would be no point unless they are equal.

But it's already be done so to speak. The recipes are already purchasable by 20 plat and they create products that appear to be identical to their farmed counterparts, only they can't be sold in the CS.

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Originally Posted by ScarecrowWolf

Wow samhayne took all my good posts out.

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It's probably for the better. This was heading towards something unpleasant.

Lol it was all true though

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Originally Posted by Kraze

Or handle it like sl does sell gear in plat store with different stats and a different look. Call it angelic put a different color on it an call it a day

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lol i can see it now...white 'angelic sets' sets

id actually prefer the black armor but white colored glyph symbols haha


in all seriousness tho i think its not a bad idea...the sets could have a different color, different name, and stats that favor pvp more slightly but overall pretty much the same stats
1) people would know that those sets were bought and the hard work was not put into it
2) they could still look cool and give the pvpers an option

alternatively, you could take it a step further and basically create a new npc in nuris town that will require lvl 60 glyph items and you just can pay 10-20 plat per item to upgrade it to the 'angelic' sets
that way people would still be required to farm for the lvl 60 glyph items thus its not a total throw money at the game type thing
it would be totally separate from the demonic sets so the prestige of having a demonic set remains intact
and of course the items could not be traded

I'm open to the idea of having comparable sets, but as it stands, the recipes are already on sale in the plat store, so I think my way is simply "easier" for STS and still encourages farming (farming for the level 60 glyph set pieces). It's worth considering for future dungeons though.