Gale Force Changes

**Swede** · 06-19-2013, 09:23 AM

Curse takes the targets damage, not the damage output of the ability that he just used, but his damage (base damage plus stat increases from equipment etc), multiplies that by another number, depending on if you charged the ability, what upgrades you have etc and then every time the enemy that's cursed uses any ability (including base attack), he takes that number in damage. It also ignores armor.

Since it scales with the enemies damage, it should definitely scale as they grow in levels. My numbers on it might have been a bit low for a first pass though so I'll probably buff it a bit. I have to be careful though because remember that monsters won't stop attacking, like players might, so it can do a lot of damage to them really fast if they are hard hitting enemies with a high attack speed.

**drgrimmy** · 06-19-2013, 09:43 AM

Thank you for all the changes you have been experimenting with, but I really think that if a dash type ability is added to this skill it needs to be in a forward direction. This is something that sorcerers have been lacking while warriors and rogues both have a dash type ability (pierce and skyward). This has really handicapped us in terms of flagging in pvp, running away from enemies or catching fleeing enemies in PvP, and doing timed runs in a few maps (especially hauntlet). My only concern was that I don't want to be dashing into a mob in pve when I am on the edge of a mob doing crowd control or into the middle of the mosh pit in PvP during big PvP battles when I am trying to stay at a distance. Perhaps you can just leave it as originally designed with the dash only with a charge skill. This keeps it from being accidentally activated (eg with a charged skill failing). I will just have to use the uncharged skill until I want to use the dash ability. And as someone else mentioned, the planned update will already increase the number of enemies hit with an uncharged skill, so not too much of a compromise. The only drawback would be not getting the armor boost by routinely using the uncharged skill. Would it be overpowered to make it so you get the armor boost with the uncharged version of the skill, and the dash with the charged version? This would be the best of both worlds in my eyes.

**Swede** · 06-19-2013, 09:54 AM

For running away from enemies in PvP, backwards is superior. You turn around and land your Gale Force on the enemies, and shoot away in the other direction. So they get crowd controlled by the gale force in addition to you dashing away. I might change it back but going to be playing PvP on the new map today and trying it out, so we'll see how it feels.

**falmear** · 06-19-2013, 10:01 AM

I agree with Drgrimmy, because in PVE I can't really envision a situation where I want to dash backwards. And if you are doing timed runs and you accidentally don't hold wind long enough you would now be penalized with being dashed backwards. Where as before, you keep moving at a normal speed. I think it should be dashing forward because that would be more useful in both PVP and PVE. I'd also like to see the 50% armor boost be on non-charged. Because it only lasts for 4 seconds and the cool down for wind is 5.5 seconds. So I dont think it would be over powered because you still have to wait 1.5 seconds before you can cast wind again.

**Alhuntrazeck** · 06-19-2013, 10:21 AM

You just might have made me a new gale mage. Looking forward to update! Free respect weekend also please.

**jb57542** · 06-19-2013, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Alhuntrazeck

You just might have made me a new gale mage. Looking forward to update! Free respect weekend also please.

+1 this. Gale might become a standard mage skill like fireball. It was once upon a time when it gave 75% dodge with a 3 sec cool down.

**Haligali** · 06-19-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Swede

For running away from enemies in PvP, backwards is superior. You turn around and land your Gale Force on the enemies, and shoot away in the other direction. So they get crowd controlled by the gale force in addition to you dashing away. I might change it back but going to be playing PvP on the new map today and trying it out, so we'll see how it feels.

uhum, new pvp map? cant wait..

Lady_Pebbles · 06-19-2013, 12:03 PM

Dash moving the toon forward rather than backwards makes sense. It would be more useful against mobs & players in PvP... Especially if it does damage to our enemies when the toon strikes an enemy as a result of dashing towards them. Maybe that part could be single target (like the other class's Dash abilities uncharged) so it won't be OP.

**jb57542** · 06-19-2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Lady_Pebbles

Dash moving the toon forward rather than backwards makes sense. It would be more useful against mobs & players in PvP... Especially if it does damage to our enemies when the toon strikes an enemy as a result of dashing towards them. Maybe that part could be single target (like the other class's Dash abilities uncharged) so it won't be OP.

Skyward smash does aoe damage, so only rogues dash does single target DMG. Besides the whole point of Gale has been to do AOE dmg.

I think gale dash forward will be fine since it'll be stunning enemies.
Personally I would like to see the dash paired with the armor boost because it would help negate the negative effects of dashing into a mob.

**drgrimmy** · 06-19-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by jb57542

Skyward smash does aoe damage, so only rogues dash does single target DMG. Besides the whole point of Gale has been to do AOE dmg.

I think gale dash forward will be fine since it'll be stunning enemies.
Personally I would like to see the dash paired with the armor boost because it would help negate the negative effects of dashing into a mob.

I can see the rationale of that too, wanting increased armor while dashing into a mob. I just felt that I would rarely want to dash into a mob during elite runs or during a huge 5v5 pvp battle, and I would want to have the 50% armor on an attack that I would use more often. Perhaps the 50% armor could apply for both the noncharged and charged versions of the skill? Nevertheless, I think I would be happy with the upgrade either way. Either way it is going to take some adapting to get used to...

Lady_Pebbles · 06-19-2013, 01:19 PM

True, but the Rogue's Dash is also AoE when they have that sub skill added for multiple targets (again only when charged). I was talking about uncharged*. Still, would be nice to have an armor boost without having to charge it too. Im all for more armor!

**Rare** · 06-19-2013, 01:46 PM

I think this is awesome. Since I use Gale Force anyway for crowd control, its like a little gift.

**FluffNStuff** · 06-19-2013, 02:37 PM

I want to toss in a vote for backwards since it would works nicely with what I am experimenting with. Essentially the Mage has to rush into the crowd to drop the clock then unleash the fireball and wind and run back behind the warrior. Having it toss me out of the crowd would be nice

**Kraze** · 06-19-2013, 02:46 PM

Getting costly to keep respecing with all the "enhancements" to sorc skills

**TuMadreee** · 06-19-2013, 03:00 PM

Bahahaha, I think I'm going to laugh way too much when I see a blue smurf flying away...
Or just simply making everyone mad as they stun and fly around them, abusing the new power

Great changes though!

*Also, if a sorc makes a rogue in PvP cursed, will a critted aim shot kill the rogue instantly? I'm confused

**Swede** · 06-19-2013, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by TuMadreee

*Also, if a sorc makes a rogue in PvP cursed, will a critted aim shot kill the rogue instantly? I'm confused

No, the Rogue will take the same amount of damage from Curse as if they had just used their basic attack. It's not dependent on how much damage they (the Rogue) actually did.

**SkullCrusher** · 06-19-2013, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Swede

For running away from enemies in PvP, backwards is superior. You turn around and land your Gale Force on the enemies, and shoot away in the other direction. So they get crowd controlled by the gale force in addition to you dashing away. I might change it back but going to be playing PvP on the new map today and trying it out, so we'll see how it feels.

Am I the only person who saw that? So what's this new map?

**Carapace** · 06-19-2013, 05:19 PM

One of the reasons the mage is getting a backwards dash is to keep the different classes feeling different. It takes a bit more skill to wield well but it's a lot of fun to use the new gale force and will certainly be useful in certain PvE situations. It also makes chasing interesting and does make sorcerers a bit more formidable in PvP.

On a related note I died a couple times during testing from neglecting to notice I was cursed as I tried to pummel his shielded mage with aim shot... and paid the ultimate price. Shame.

**SkullCrusher** · 06-19-2013, 05:30 PM

Lol, that shielded mage was me, GF bro! Lol jk

. P.S: Wooooot! My 300th post.

**will0** · 06-19-2013, 05:48 PM

Hi Carapace : I know it is beside the point as topic is for Gale, for Arcane shield invulnerability is only 2 sec possible to increase to 3-4 sec non-charge? As you know the critical shot from rouges are deadly and they are fast and the cooling period for shield is slow.

For PVP usually mages uses light but the frequency of critical is not often and doesn't AOE as often too. Is this something can be tweak so we do not have to respec too often even we have light as a skill and light AOE is so infrequent for PVE.