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    Default Forgotten Bow Vs. SSC Items Analysis (Point of View)

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    My name is OverkillED and I'll be giving you an analysis of how good the forgotten bow really is in comparison to SSC items and dexterity platinum packs in the 25-27 bracket as well as my point of view. (strictly talking mages). Let me get one thing out of the way! This isn't a complaint or "nerf forg pls" thread! It is simply my point of view and analysis of the forgotten bow items against the SSC and platinum talon pack items. (Sorry couldn't change the link title, but changed the thread title.) This is my second actual guide/informative page, so please give positive feedback, and constructive criticism is appreciated.

    Table of Contents

    I. What is SSC? What is a forgotten bow?
    II. SSC Wand/Bracer vs Forg Bow
    III. Plat Pack Talon and Wing vs Forg Bow
    IV. A Match with Silverpvpx





    I. What is SSC? What is a forgotten bow?

    To start basic, SSC stands for the Sandstone Caves, which is a campaign that comes after Balefort Castle (same level requirement as Fathom Crypt). The items dropped there are like weapons made from precious minerals and materials from the earth. Example: Onyx, Crystalline, and Earthquake gear. Well, what is a forgotten bow? A forgotten bow is a dexterity item that comes in many levels and was part of the Forgotten Event in the Fall of 2012. It is characterized by being a golden colored bow with different colored gemstones lining it. The gemstones also show the quality of the item. (Uncommon, rare, epic, and legendary). Forgotten bows are now discontinued. The picture on the top is a forgotten bow (legendary quality - pink gems) and the picture on the bottomis a crystalline wand; the shield is a Gratitude Shield vanity, not a crystalline bracer.

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    II. SSC Wand/Bracer vs. Forg Bow

    Ok so let's look at the pros and cons of Earthquake Wand/Bracer and the Forgotten Bow!

    Forgotten Bow
    Pros:
    • Blind proc (this is a big one)
    • Ultimately high damage
    • More DPS
    • More crit


    Cons:
    • Less range than an xbow
    • Less mana/health regen
    • 2H - can't wear a shield with it, resulting in less of a few certain stats
    • Less armor





    SSC Wand/Bracer

    Pros:
    • More mana/health regen
    • More hit, and other general stats
    • More armor/defense
    • Moderate damage
    • Looks cool


    Cons:
    • A lot less damage and nuking in comparison to the forgotten bow
    • No blind proc
    • Moderate damage
    • Despite the general defensive stats, you still get nuked quite easily
    • Less range than an xbow




    We can conclude that wands are defensive, and forgotten bows are highly offensive. The thing that makes the forgotten bow much more stronger than the wand is the blind proc! It lowers 15% hit on proc and is stackable, so you end up missing quite a lot of crucial skills that could make or break a fight. Why forgotten bows are called luck-based is because whoever hits the blind proc (which is random) first, generally wins. Despite the defense on a wand, when put up against a forgotten bow nukist, the wand doesn't stand too much of a chance. Yes you could say: "Well if you have actual skill you can kite and blah blah," but the thing is. you'd have to use fire then mana shield quickly, or else you'd die in a matter of a second or two, chances being that the forgotten user hits drain and fire. If the forgotten user is relatively skilled and can counter kiting, then they will deplete your mana before you do to theirs, forcing a loss upon you. Agreeably, level 50+ items start having better stats and can do better than the SSC items when put up against the forgotten bow.





    III. Platinum Pack Talon/Wing vs. Forg Bow


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    Last edited by OverkillED; 06-29-2013 at 08:57 AM. Reason: Changed the title. The OP'ness part made it sound like a complaint thread.

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    Reserved.

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    I believe the blind proc is -20% hit and can be stacked.

    Also fbows take out the required skill and practice with strategy,skill performance,kiting,and range advantage. :/
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    I appreciate the work you put into this but do we really need another 'forgotten bows are OP thread'?

    A quick search will show you that countless topics both in favor and against forgotten bows have been made in the past. If they're really that OP why not just buy one? It's not like they're super expensive.

    At least that's my opinion about it


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    lol, this things proves something is op? seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytB View Post
    I appreciate the work you put into this but do we really need another 'forgotten bows are OP thread'?

    A quick search will show you that countless topics both in favor and against forgotten bows have been made in the past. If they're really that OP why not just buy one? It's not like they're super expensive.

    At least that's my opinion about it
    Oh I do have one. I also know that there were threads like this in the past, but this isn't a complaint or "nerf forg pls" thread. I've heard forgotten bows are OP, so I want to compare them against the SSC items of the 25-27 PvP area.

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    Why only 25-27? Where's 30-40 D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePvpTwink View Post
    Why only 25-27? Where's 30-40 D:
    Well I don't really play 30-40. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePvpTwink
    I believe the blind proc is -20% hit and can be stacked.
    It's stacking -15%.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaytB
    If they're really that OP why not just buy one? It's not like they're super expensive.
    They're super cheap. Pink WF 2010 gear costs ~1m-8m, pink halloween gear costs 200k-700k and pink forgotten bows cost 225k-300k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePvpTwink View Post
    Why only 25-27? Where's 30-40 D:
    My L40 bear owns.


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    Game died with the introducing of forgotten bows for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytB View Post
    I appreciate the work you put into this but do we really need another 'forgotten bows are OP thread'?

    A quick search will show you that countless topics both in favor and against forgotten bows have been made in the past. If they're really that OP why not just buy one? It's not like they're super expensive.

    At least that's my opinion about it
    If u just didn't say that I would have opened 10 threads about these bows being OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape View Post
    If u just didn't say that I would have opened 10 threads about these bows being OP.
    Please read the first paragraph of my analysis. I just put that this isn't a complaint or "nerf forg pls" thread. It's to see how much ssc gear and plat pack talons stand against forg bows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leechbeech View Post
    Game died with the introducing of forgotten bows for me
    Skills in PVP died... Atleast for everything below 50. But in PVE they are awesome for leveling xD I'm glad I have some
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rot View Post
    My L40 bear owns.
    I'll preforg 1v1 you on my 35 Mage.
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    DO A HALLOWEEN VS. FORG PLZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reun View Post
    DO A HALLOWEEN VS. FORG PLZ
    Using the search bar with the terms "Halloween" AND "Forgotten" produces:

    http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...P-quot-Talk***


    @OK - If you want a true, thorough analysis, you need to include Halloween items as well. Otherwise, you will be missing a quarter (and very important part) of the argument.

    And before everyone begins chiming in with the "Blinding proc" statements, please remember recurves (which is what the forgotten bows are) have the "blind proc". If these are "OP", so are Raid/Custom recurves, Sang longbows, and Flying recurves. (Not sure what an Onyx bow is considered, but I would classify it as a recurve as well.)
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    Anyone know a good level 40 bear build and item set? I might try it at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverkillED View Post
    Well I don't really play 30-40. :P
    Liar D:

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