50 Hours and no Amra-zu is not Ultra Rare, its NEVER

**Frohnatur** · 01-20-2014, 10:07 PM

Seriously. I think StS should either:

- make luck based Achievments rewarded only with a banner or such, but no points.

- remodel the luck-system, whereas there is certain hit-chance granted in a certain reasonable amount of time

My reasoning:

It is simply not fair if luck based achievments determine your achievment points and therefore the leaderbords.
Right now the leaderboards are equal to a high score list in a video slot machine.

It is no achievment to be lucky.

**Sheener** · 01-20-2014, 10:12 PM

Its not nearly the amount of time you would have to spend to get the 10k flags ap

**GoodSyntax** · 01-20-2014, 10:17 PM

I agree, these luck based APs are kind of silly. I haven't found they Elusive 4 (they are too elusive IMHO) and still haven't found Challenger in Arena. I've tried, but no luck

**Ebezaanec** · 01-20-2014, 11:08 PM

Still no luck Froh?

I've been hunting Amra Zu for Eski since last week.. nothing

**Derezzzed** · 01-21-2014, 12:12 AM

The other 3 are realtivly easy to find but Amra-Zhu NEVER spawns I can't even count how many hours I've spent looking for him, I could get elite bael II to spawn 20times before I could amra-zhu, I don't hate luck based APs but I wish they weren't around

**Otahaanak** · 01-21-2014, 12:13 AM

Took me three weeks to finally find Argax, couple hours per day running the same Nordr maps over and over. Finally found him in Oltgar.

6 months total to get all four I think.

**Alfai** · 01-21-2014, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by GoodSyntax

I agree, these luck based APs are kind of silly. I haven't found they Elusive 4 (they are too elusive IMHO) and still haven't found Challenger in Arena. I've tried, but no luck

1month searching for challenger.at the end I got an invite and nwver able to find him tho I ran arena almost everyday.
The elusive 4 hmm thts even meh.2months at least till I stop searching everyday coz it tensed me up.

**Anarchist** · 01-21-2014, 12:39 AM

it took my friends nearly 250 hours so you still have a long way to go c:

**Frohnatur** · 01-21-2014, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by GoodSyntax

I agree, these luck based APs are kind of silly. I haven't found they Elusive 4 (they are too elusive IMHO) and still haven't found Challenger in Arena. I've tried, but no luck

Originally Posted by Ebezaanec

Still no luck Froh?

I've been hunting Amra Zu for Eski since last week.. nothing

Originally Posted by Derezzzed

The other 3 are realtivly easy to find but Amra-Zhu NEVER spawns I can't even count how many hours I've spent looking for him, I could get elite bael II to spawn 20times before I could amra-zhu, I don't hate luck based APs but I wish they weren't around

Originally Posted by Otahaanak

Took me three weeks to finally find Argax, couple hours per day running the same Nordr maps over and over. Finally found him in Oltgar.

6 months total to get all four I think.

Originally Posted by EliteFamily

it took my friends nearly 250 hours so you still have a long way to go c:

Yes, I got the achievment, but I didn't found him, a guildie did, after 5 minutes entering the maps. Half of my guild helped, but didn't find him either, for 4 days consecutive... Mind you, me 50 hours looking for him, another 50 hours added by guildies, and he gets him after 5 minutes. This is outrageous. Stupid. No achievment at all. What did I achieve?? Prove to be adamant? Prove that I have a fantastic guild?

I do, but it shouldnt show in my achievments, rather than in my guildies!

STS should seriously think about removing those achievments, and i dont mind having it already

seriously.

**Alfai** · 01-21-2014, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Frohnatur

Yes, I got the achievment, but I didn't found him, a guildie did, after 5 minutes entering the maps. Half of my guild helped, but didn't find him either, for 4 days consecutive... Mind you, me 50 hours looking for him, another 50 hours added by guildies, and he gets him after 5 minutes. This is outrageous. Stupid. No achievment at all. What did I achieve?? Prove to be adamant? Prove that I have a fantastic guild?

I do, but it shouldnt show in my achievments, rather than in my guildies!

STS seriously think about those hare brained achievments.

hare brained. seriously.

From dev perspective I do ustand making random spawn ap tied the players into the game for a period of time.
Fair enough all games and its content doing this objectively.

Howevet I rather feel the pace and development of al players are underestimated.most players adapted fast.seek to complete their mission faster than ever.creativr and innovative to explore ways to complete it.hence we desire more exciting aps rather it being challenging and complex.players aren't dumb when it come to keeping up with gaming contents.having random spawn like this defeat its purpose of being dynamic and keeping up with players demand.just my 2cents.

**thepitcher** · 01-21-2014, 04:17 AM

Yes i also have problems finding amra-zu and the challenger.. the rest was easy but these 2 make my head spinning!

**Daniel Banuelos** · 01-21-2014, 04:26 AM

I already seen skratch took me a month and came without expecting lol

**Daniel Banuelos** · 01-21-2014, 04:32 AM

I already seen skratch took me a month and came without expecting lol

**Sky_is_epicgearz** · 01-21-2014, 05:09 AM

yes i agree amrazu and challlenger are very difficult to find. i found challanger unintentionally when trying to get golden puzzles and i got invited to amrazu when i started to become interested in aps 2 months ago. im not sure but for me me when i do things without a intended purpose i find things lol (example: was helping a level 24 through mount spyr and found bael or hunting for shards and finding ripper or looking for krunch and finding agrex)

**bhutkeyur** · 01-21-2014, 05:29 AM

It took two week on two toon for E4 ap. Krunch took me 4 days of farming. Beal every 2 hours. Well thats the game way it is.

**chitgoks** · 01-21-2014, 06:40 AM

i was able to get amrazu by:
not hunting for it for hours
not expecting it

when i do a daily quest like silk stalker i always go to last map to also try and get amrazu

or after every other map i drop by amrazu maps but no expectation hed be there

**Anarchist** · 01-21-2014, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Frohnatur

Yes, I got the achievment, but I didn't found him, a guildie did, after 5 minutes entering the maps. Half of my guild helped, but didn't find him either, for 4 days consecutive... Mind you, me 50 hours looking for him, another 50 hours added by guildies, and he gets him after 5 minutes. This is outrageous. Stupid. No achievment at all. What did I achieve?? Prove to be adamant? Prove that I have a fantastic guild?

I do, but it shouldnt show in my achievments, rather than in my guildies!

STS seriously think about those hare brained achievments.

hare brained. seriously.

Oh i forgot to say they were five and they searched for him nearly 250hours each

**garou498** · 01-21-2014, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Frohnatur

Seriously. I think StS should either:

- make luck based Achievments rewarded only with a banner or such, but no points.

- remodel the luck-system, whereas there is certain hit-chance granted in a certain reasonable amount of time

My reasoning:

It is simply not fair if luck based achievments determine your achievment points and therefore the leaderbords.
Right now the leaderboards are equal to a high score list in a video slot machine.

It is no achievment to be lucky.

yeah you're right thats not always a good system

**basketholic209** · 01-21-2014, 02:06 PM

And if I recall correctly, STG had made an update in the past to increase our chances to meet E4 bosses, in exchange of lower chance to get dropped items from them. Wonder how more difficult it was before the update. I'm super desperate to find Amra-zu.

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**Amythys** · 01-21-2014, 02:33 PM

I have searched for amra-zu every day since the elusive 4 was launched. Not once have I met him. I don't log the hours I spend, so I have no idea. Certainly one of the most frustrating achievements in the game.