Skill change in PvP room

[Endkey]

We all know that some people have been continuously changing their skills during PvP fights. Some guys ask me for 1v1s and are easily able to beat me. I thought of them as pros before and i thought they beat me fair and square. Then i noticed that many of the ones i fought used more than 4 skills during the fight.


For example i fought a tank. He already had better gear than me (which i dont mind). We started the game after a count. That tank used vengeful blood and then axed, chest splitter and skyward smashed me. (notice that all four skills used). The smash stunned me and by the time my rogue was able to move he had changed his skill and added heal. Even if the smash hadnt stunned me, his hp was 6.5k then and it gave him enough time to change to an other skill.


For the mages, they use fireball, curse, shield and lightening in the start. The shield invulnerability for 2 sec give them the chance to change the skill (curse) with the heal. An in this case the all four skills are used in the start and one is replaced afterwards.


The rogue cant do anything because their hp does not support this skill change.


The only way which I can think of is to stop this changing of skills is to finish the map skills option in the PvP room. This will not let the users change skills in the PvP room and therefor they will not be able to use 5 or even 6 skills at one time. In addition the hotkey option for changing skills should be turned off in the PvP rooms. Nobody cares if u change skill in PvE coz we have a common enemy.

For those who are saying that people spam pets with hotkeys during 1v1s, you now know the guy who does it. Never 1v1 with him. Thats the only thing we can do.


I hope u guys support this and i hope the mods take this into action so that we can have a fair PvP place to play in

[Sky_is_epicgearz]

Noooooooo not another thread! :3 prepare for another huge debate

Btw hi end

[Bless]

You cant respec in pvp maps, why should you be allowed to change skills in a pvp map? Do it in town.

Got bad gear? Get good gear. Got no money? Farm.

"No not another one of this thread" well what can we do, mages and rogues were also crying when the windmill bug happened. Its not fair to one class so should we just sit here scramming for our lives when the other classes have it easy with more skills?

If you dont realise that its wrong, i cant make you change your opinion but hope a dev sees this.

[Zeus]

Please... warriors shouldn't be getting stun after stun, then immortality as well with defense. If you're going an all tank build, you sacrifice some defense. By having both, it's truly ridiculous. The only weakness they have is during the switch time, but even that can be taken out with a well timed HoR due to the 3 secs of invulnerability HoR provides.

[Sariita]

You cant respec in pvp maps, why should you be allowed to change skills in a pvp map? Do it in town.

Got bad gear? Get good gear. Got no money? Farm.

This.

[Bless]

You guys try to turn it around on rogues, saying we cry and should deal with it and devs INTENDED 5 skills to be used at one time. Are you hearing yorself? Thats an absurd statememt, the devs would never have intended this.

Those classes aren't entirely single target, and most people use 4+ skills in 1v1s, those people argue that their class is underpowered at 1v1s. The rogue specialises in single target damage and debuffs - ofcourse they would be stronger in their speciality. Pvp wasn't built around 1v1s you know, it's CTF or TDM, both team games. Its like saying you enrolled for an art school but after going to it, you complain that you don't do enough sports. Damn. Stick to your roles and you won't need to use 4+ skills.

Lastly, since when are warriors meant to have 6k hp, virtually endless mana AND deadly damage? They seem to have that and much more now...

Imagine a rogue kicking your backside with 5 skills then you'd be crying louder than us..

[Sheener]

How is this possible? A bug? I thought u cant respec in pvp. Even if u could it would take atleast 15 seconds. How is this possible. I have also noticed some especially rogues switch pets to valkin or konga insanely fast to get their mana up. Must be some trick to it.

[Endkey]

The trick is hotkeys...and it is not only rogues who use it...btw ill be makin some enhancements

[Sheener]

And bless.... I dont think that 5 moves would even really benefit a rogue. The passives would be way better for them. With 5 moves mana would drain too fast. Plus rogues moves have such a short cooldown. U can almost spam shadow pierce and aimed shot without needing other moves.

[Sheener]

So basically the people who play on phones r screwed... lol like me

[Xbadboyx]

classes aren't balanced in 1 vs 1 bcs the game didn't prepare the pvp for 1 vs 1 like other games did (o&c) and thats why rogues obviously have more advantages in 1 vs 1 which force other classes to use more than 4 skills , anyway in 5 vs 5 u dont need to use more than 4 skills bcs the game is balanced and fair , also ive tried all classes and im sure that rogues are the best in 1 vs 1.

top pvp rogues can definitely defeat other top pvp classes unless they use more than 4 skills , u might kill a top rogue in pvp with 4 skills but u wont win .

anyway switching skills by a hotkeys or other programs isnt fair and its cheating by switching skills with your hands it totally okay ,

[Energizeric]

Sorry to have to use this image twice in the same week, but....





And while I agree that there is a problem here, I disagree with the proposed solution. I often switch in heal AFTER the battle is over just to heal myself for the next battle. Unless the next opponent wants to wait 5 minutes for my health to restore on its own.

In fact, I can beat a rogue, and if I don't heal after the battle they will respawn and come back and kill me as I will still be at low health.

The solution is to make a delay in using a new skill so that it's not worth changing during a battle.

But in any case, enough is enough with these discussions. STS has obviously read all the arguments by now, so lets give them a chance to make a change.

[Sheener]

Please make it 5 skills bc. That will make rogues less op

[Sheener]

But please explain how it is possible to change skills in pvp. Can it be done on a phone?

[Zeus]

Please make it 5 skills bc. That will make rogues less op

You're a warrior... if you can't figure out how to kill rogues or mages, well, there's something wrong with your build.

[falmear]

Some reason why we need another thread on this? I think this is the 5th thread on this subject. As for 5 skills, I use 5 skills but not in mid combat because its too risky and IMO wastes the 2 seconds of invulnerability which could be better used. But if I am facing a lot of rogues then I switch to using 3 attack skills. Or if I am doing 1v1 then I switch to 3 attack skills because heal is useless against rogues. And with 2 attack skills its basically impossible to kill a rogue because their packs are so OP. I said this in another thread, if you want to limit mages to 4 skills, then you need to improve our damage, fix our healing and make it so our shield cool down is shorter or make it so it doesn't break so fast. Livegiver doesn't even recover 50% of my health with 600+ damage. Rogue packs recover 90% of your health even if you had 1 damage. For a mage to kill a rogue you don't need to switch skills mid combat, just use 3 attack skills and shield from the start. From there its just a matter of stunning them and keeping them away from their packs.

Not every class is the same so they can't take advantage of every feature in the game. So I don't see anything wrong with switching skills and no where does any dev say you are limited to 4 skills in PvP.

Lastly, its okay for rogues to abuse valkin for unlimited mana by dismiss/summon. Yet its not okay for people to use 5 skills? Seems like when rogues have to work for kills they come to the forums to complain.

[Leoyo]

Just learn more than 4 skills....
Switch it in the map

[Sheener]

I have trouble beating super geared rouges not going to lie they usually whoop me

[Sheener]

I am always way behind lol. I didnt know ab the windmill glitch and all of the other bugs. Still idk how to change skills

[Zeus]

Some reason why we need another thread on this? I think this is the 5th thread on this subject. As for 5 skills, I use 5 skills but not in mid combat because its too risky and IMO wastes the 2 seconds of invulnerability which could be better used. But if I am facing a lot of rogues then I switch to using 3 attack skills. Or if I am doing 1v1 then I switch to 3 attack skills because heal is useless against rogues. And with 2 attack skills its basically impossible to kill a rogue because their packs are so OP. I said this in another thread, if you want to limit mages to 4 skills, then you need to improve our damage, fix our healing and make it so our shield cool down is shorter or make it so it doesn't break so fast. Livegiver doesn't even recover 50% of my health with 600+ damage. Rogue packs recover 90% of your health even if you had 1 damage. For a mage to kill a rogue you don't need to switch skills mid combat, just use 3 attack skills and shield from the start. From there its just a matter of stunning them and keeping them away from their packs.

Not every class is the same so they can't take advantage of every feature in the game. So I don't see anything wrong with switching skills and no where does any dev say you are limited to 4 skills in PvP.

Lastly, its okay for rogues to abuse valkin for unlimited mana by dismiss/summon. Yet its not okay for people to use 5 skills? Seems like when rogues have to work for kills they come to the forums to complain.

Falmear, the only thing I want fixed is skills being swapped in mid combat. When warriors do this, they literally have no weaknesses. So yes, Energizeric's solution would work best.

Lastly, the dismiss/summon bug is also being patched. So, to patch skill switching mid combat seems fair as well, no?

I have trouble beating super geared rouges not going to lie they usually whoop me

Then that's not being OP, that means that they have better gear than you. People really need to learn the difference between the two.