Sns fix come or not?

[Zeus]

Could you actually provide video proof or something, all your post are biased in support for SNS.

I do not have the time to upload a video. You can spectate if you are willing to come online.

[Remember Me]

I do not have the time to upload a video. You can spectate if you are willing to come online.

Or we can have a Dev confirm that pets do in fact reflect off of curse or the curse skill details would be misleading..

[Zeus]

Of course SnS does 1.4k in 2 seconds. One pool does 600-800 per tick. A tick is one second.

Aimed shot does 1.4k every 2 seconds. 1.4/2 = 700 Imagine 2-3 stacked pools.

Its not that easy to avoid pools if they're all over the place, which is true almost everytime in the narrow CTF hallways.

You are comparing a non-crit aimed shot with SnS damage while including the factor that SnS crits. That is hardly a fair comparison. When SnS does not crit, it will not do more damage than a non-critical aimed shot. Similarly, if we factor in aimed shot crit and SnS pool crit, the pools will not out damage an Aimed Shot. Furthermore, Aimed Shot's second hit is always higher than it's first so Aimed Shot always > SnS Pools.

If they did, I would be using Aimed Shot second and SnS pools first.

[Bless]

You are comparing a non-crit aimed shot with SnS damage while including the factor that SnS crits. That is hardly a fair comparison. When SnS does not crit, it will not do more damage than an aimed shot. Similarly, if we factor in aimed shot crit and SnS pool crit, the pools will not out damage an Aimed Shot.

If they did, I would be using Aimed Shot second and SnS pools first.

600-800 damage is the non-crit calculation. Your video shows it.

[Ravager]

As I usually decide my teams setup, I want my tanks to go with singe not Samael.

For tank I believe singe is better than Samael because of the party buff.

Like I said earlier, yes it is time for Samael to move on but SNS is not the answer, you still haven't answered the questions I asked you in my previous posts.

Ah. Missed the question. I don't think fair majority are dealing with it as there are only a handful of endgamers that use Sns. I don't think it'd be a major issue if my pet buffs suggestions passed. Nekro would be the counter pet. Currently Samael is not a direct counter.

I like the current state of Sns (both fighting against and using) in regards to your damage question earlier. It doesn't have a root/snare so I usually just horn of renew and walk out of the pools. Sometimes the tactic changes to kill the sns user first instead of kill the rogue first. Rogues run out of mana quicker without Samael in some cases.

Even if my suggestion for the singe buff were to pass, that would give the ability for the user to simply walk out of the pools in most cases.

Buffing the newer arcane pets is the way to go to keep everyone happy.

[Zeus]

600-800 damage is the non-crit calculation. Your video shows it.

Okay, it still does not prove that SnS deals more damage than an Aimed shot. I explained that this is because the second Aimed Shot always hits harder than the first. So, Aimed Shot will always outdamage SnS pools.

[Bless]

Okay, it still does not prove that SnS deals more damage than an Aimed shot. I explained that this is because the second Aimed Shot always hits harder than the first. So, Aimed Shot will always outdamage SnS pools.

By what? 100? 200 damage? Does aim shot hit multiple people? No sir.

Wow, I just realised, it has potential to do =< damage equivalent to 5 aimed shots.

[Zeus]

Ah. Missed the question. I don't think fair majority are dealing with it as there are only a handful of endgamers that use Sns. I don't think it'd be a major issue if my pet buffs suggestions passed. Nekro would be the counter pet. Currently Samael is not a direct counter.

I like the current state of Sns (both fighting against and using) in regards to your damage question earlier. It doesn't have a root/snare so I usually just horn of renew and walk out of the pools. Sometimes the tactic changes to kill the sns user first instead of kill the rogue first. Rogues run out of mana quicker without Samael in some cases.

Even if my suggestion for the singe buff were to pass, that would give the ability for the user to simply walk out of the pools in most cases.

Buffing the newer arcane pets is the way to go to keep everyone happy.

Correct.

Recently me and Ravager did an SnS clash. He had SnS used against him and he and his team did not appear to have any difficulty in surviving. Tactics are key, remember this folks!

[Zeus]

By what? 100? 200 damage?

No, the second hit of aimed shot is always considerably more. My first hit will be roughly 1.4k but the second non-crit hit can be 1.8-2k uncharged.

[Bless]

No, the second hit of aimed shot is always considerably more. My first hit will be roughly 1.4k but the second non-crit hit can be 1.8-2k uncharged.

Edited my post.

[Remember Me]

The fact that you are comparing aimedshot to a pets ability is just astounding as is proof that this pet needs revisiting by the devs.

On Singes description it says deals HEAVY damage when it does literally maybe half a second of a SNS pool?

Should the SNS description state that it does EXTREME damage when enemies are exposed to the pools.

[Remember Me]

On SNS's description it says "damaging pools". It doesn't say HEAVY damage like in Singe's description yet singe THE HEAVY DAMAGE pet, does less damage then " damaging" pet..

I'm kind of lost, and please don't give me the simple excuse that it's supposed to be OP due to its nature.. Where is the logic in that..

[Bless]

The fact that you are comparing aimedshot to a pets ability is just astounding as is proof that this pet needs revisiting by the devs.

On Singes description it says deals HEAVY damage when it does literally maybe half a second of a SNS pool?

Should the SNS description state that it does EXTREME damage when enemies are exposed to the pools.

Undermining 2 skills from ALL 3 classes? Thats crazy.

ONE SnS does damage and heal capable of greatly surpassing these skills:
Lighning, Clock, Mage heal, Aimed shot, noxious bolt, SSS, combat medic, HoR.

Not to mention it's a AOE pool. It can affect 5 people unlike skills like ice, lightning, aimed shot.


Sns = 8 skills; GG Mage (most saddeningly).

[Remember Me]

Undermining 2 skills from ALL 3 classes? Thats crazy.

ONE SnS does damage and heal capable of greatly surpassing these skills:
Lighning, Clock, Mage heal, Aimed shot, noxious bolt, SSS, combat medic, HoR.



Sns = 7 skills; GG Mage (most saddeningly).

Not to mention the heal pools heal more than 5x a mages heal when utilized to the max.

[Bless]

On SNS's description it says "damaging pools". It doesn't say HEAVY damage like in Singe's description yet singe THE HEAVY DAMAGE pet, does less damage then " damaging" pet..

I'm kind of lost, and please don't give me the simple excuse that it's supposed to be OP due to its nature.. Where is the logic in that..

#NerfPlease.

[Deadroth]

SnS Is LEADERBOARD pet. It needs to be badass and op, otherwise it wouldn't be an lb pet. That's all.
Stop playing pvp, or live with it.
Personally I think, those who have worked their butts off through this Ursoth Event deserved it.

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Dead

[Remember Me]

SnS Is LEADERBOARD pet. It needs to be badass and op, otherwise it wouldn't be an lb pet. That's all.
Stop playing pvp, or live with it.
Personally I think, those who have worked their butts off through this Ursoth Event deserved it.

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Dead

I have never seen you in a PvP room ever. I have played since season 1.

We are all talking from experience from the pet, not book knowledge...

[Serancha]

How are we going to ever upgrade from the old Samael pet then? We have to start somewhere. Next upgrade all pets post-Samael.

Pre-Sns Buff, the pet was constantly shelved in my stable.

Samael is the mythic armor of pets. So far past it's expiration date that it should be put down.

[Serancha]

Exactly, this pet makes some classes absolutely worthless... The only reason people use mages now are for mama refills. I mean the pets pools even have a curse bug... Even legendary pets like wurmtongue are effected by curse, what gives SNS a right to avoid curse?

Wurmtongue is epic and his dot is not affected by curse. Tested it personally.

[Remember Me]

Samael is the mythic armor of pets. So far past it's expiration date that it should be put down.

How so? Its just a pet which provides an extra stun. Not a extra player like SNS does.