Jewels vs. Gems

[Zeus]

Hello Developers,

While I do understand that on a test server, things are expected to change...there was a quote that jewels are not likely to change in stats.


This is something that I covered in April. In order to prevent creating another 3 piece ring ordeal that plagued PL for the longest time, it is essential that the jewels be either equal or slightly better than gems like: enchanted eye of syrillax, paracelsus gems, or reinforced gems.


The game should progress - not be locked in a specific state for all eternity. Just as I expect SNS to be outperformed eventually (perhaps with the new arcane pets), the gems should also be eventually replaced with something better if jewels are really intended to replace gems. Otherwise, it just creates a grandfather effect where only those with vast resources win while those who do not have such vast resourced end up losing.


This is just my $.02.

Thank you for your time and input,

Zeus

[Matrimony]

I dont think jewels should nerf para gems, so w.e. sts does is fine with me. ^_^

[Niixed]

I noticed the same, but those numbers probably aren't the final numbers. The cracked chaos jewel is +.3 damage while the noble chaos jewel is +.6 damage? That just seems way off. The crit/lightning jewels don't even have a % stat listed, but list the same stat as the damage/chaos jewels. The int/mind dex/finesse and str/fury jewels are better than gems, and I suspect the others will fall in line. I also suspect STS had difficulty getting the test server online, it was delayed by a day. Maybe the "little" things like updating the Jewel stats got pushed to Monday? Idk.

[Zeus]

I dont think jewels should nerf para gems, so w.e. sts does is fine with me. ^_^

It wouldn't nerf para gems?

[Fightbeast]

Agreed. Old gems need to be replaced by new jewels. If the same old items continue to be the best in game forever, people lose interest in doing or farming something new. Plus many players don't have a para stone or eye; bringing out new jewels will help even the play field.

[davidvilla]

It wouldn't nerf para gems?

Limiting gems to old gears only will solve the entire issue.

[Bluebatthing]

How would it solve the issue? I assumed you're talking about para gems. If the new jewels are not comparable to para gems, the old gear with para gems, especially twink level items, will remain in circulation for a long time, that defeats the intention of STS trying to phase out the old gems. Sure, normal gems will be gone relatively quickly, but OP gems such as paras and Enchanted eyes won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Limiting gems to old gears only will solve the entire issue.

[davidvilla]

How would it solve the issue? I assumed you're talking about para gems. If the new jewels are not comparable to para gems, the old gear with para gems, especially twink level items, will remain in circulation for a long time, that defeats the intention of STS trying to phase out the old gems. Sure, normal gems will be gone relatively quickly, but OP gems such as paras and Enchanted eyes won't be going anywhere any time soon.

U want everybody by next event to run with maximum damage ?
Or better change the game name to sniper legends?
Dude in simple sense limiting to old gears will completely stop gemming those remaining para into new gears.
Regarding ur existing para gears, jewels will somehow cover it up followed by better gears will eliminate para.
Hope that clears u now.

[Jazzi]

I dont think those could be the final stats. I am not sure about the usefulness of those jewels at lower levels, but at endgame a player would get about twice as much damage by simply using a main stat jewel, thus rendering the damage ones obsolete before anyone ever looted a single cracked one

[Bluebatthing]

Let me take a wild guess, you own para gems? Anyway, have you taken a look at the process of crafting new jewels from the test server? If you did, then you know how much work, time and gold is required to craft one of the top tier jewels. I'm almost certain that not everyone will be running the next event with max damage, even if STS decides to bring up the stat of the damage jewels, only a select few would be able to afford these. Your argument regarding the jewels will "somehow" cover it up followed by better gear will eliminate paras, when will that be? The expansion is nearly here, people have been begging for something to bring balance back to the game, at end game as well as twinking levels, and you're suggesting the masses to wait for para to phase out while the few who are hoarding para gems to continue to dominate? And no that did not cleared me!

U want everybody by next event to run with maximum damage ?
Or better change the game name to sniper legends?
Dude in simple sense limiting to old gears will completely stop gemming those remaining para into new gears.
Regarding ur existing para gears, jewels will somehow cover it up followed by better gears will eliminate para.
Hope that clears u now.

[davidvilla]

Let me take a wild guess, you own para gems? Anyway, have you taken a look at the process of crafting new jewels from the test server? If you did, then you know how much work, time and gold is required to craft one of the top tier jewels. I'm almost certain that not everyone will be running the next event with max damage, even if STS decides to bring up the stat of the damage jewels, only a select few would be able to afford these. Your argument regarding the jewels will "somehow" cover it up followed by better gear will eliminate paras, when will that be? The expansion is nearly here, people have been begging for something to bring balance back to the game, at end game as well as twinking levels, and you're suggesting the masses to wait for para to phase out while the few who are hoarding para gems to continue to dominate? And no that did not cleared me!

Tell me one thing dude. Does hoarding makes any sense if gems been limited to old gears only? I guess not.
Then why the heck is that bothering you?
Take an example I hoard 100 para gems . Ok now what I'm gonna do that at future? The answer is clear there is no future since those won't be able to upgrade new gears. If u still didn't get that then God bless you and ur imagination.

[davidvilla]

Let me take a wild guess, you own para gems? Anyway, have you taken a look at the process of crafting new jewels from the test server? If you did, then you know how much work, time and gold is required to craft one of the top tier jewels. I'm almost certain that not everyone will be running the next event with max damage, even if STS decides to bring up the stat of the damage jewels, only a select few would be able to afford these. Your argument regarding the jewels will "somehow" cover it up followed by better gear will eliminate paras, when will that be? The expansion is nearly here, people have been begging for something to bring balance back to the game, at end game as well as twinking levels, and you're suggesting the masses to wait for para to phase out while the few who are hoarding para gems to continue to dominate? And no that did not cleared me!

Jewels upgrading takes a while and been cleared up by devs. It's not the final stat for now. But what we can sense is that at endgame jewels might cover up gems. And people will have to work on it to own it.

[Bluebatthing]

How did you come up with the idea that I'm bothered by any of this? I am simply voicing my opinion on how the new jewels should replace the old gems. As Zeus stated on this thread, if the jewels are not equal to or slightly better than the likes of paras, enchanted eyes, or reinforced gems, how will it replace them? Remember this subsection is for reporting bugs, discussions, and suggestions for the new contents in the test server, you have your opinion, I have mine. It seems you can't keep a constructive discussion going without resorting to personal attacks, I will no longer be replying to your comments as it will derail the purpose of this thread. Good day buddy.

Tell me one thing dude. Does hoarding makes any sense if gems been limited to old gears only? I guess not.
Then why the heck is that bothering you?
Take an example I hoard 100 para gems . Ok now what I'm gonna do that at future? The answer is clear there is no future since those won't be able to upgrade new gears. If u still didn't get that then God bless you and ur imagination.

I apologize to Zeus if I've derailed this thread in any way.

[Haligali]

At the current stats, damage jewels are useless, a noble fire gem will give more damage than this. Eye gems will worth 20m I'm not kidding, this will create a big gap between rich and average ppl.

[Haligali]

Tell me one thing dude. Does hoarding makes any sense if gems been limited to old gears only? I guess not.
Then why the heck is that bothering you?
Take an example I hoard 100 para gems . Ok now what I'm gonna do that at future? The answer is clear there is no future since those won't be able to upgrade new gears. If u still didn't get that then God bless you and ur imagination.

You missed that part that gem functions will be no way changed, so we can still socked saved gems into lvl46 gear.

[davidvilla]

You missed that part that gem functions will be no way changed, so we can still socked saved gems into lvl46 gear.

It was an option for sts to have a look if jewels really going to replace gems with somehow similar or better stat but keeping them out from future upgrading.

[davidvilla]

How did you come up with the idea that I'm bothered by any of this? I am simply voicing my opinion on how the new jewels should replace the old gems. As Zeus stated on this thread, if the jewels are not equal to or slightly better than the likes of paras, enchanted eyes, or reinforced gems, how will it replace them? Remember this subsection is for reporting bugs, discussions, and suggestions for the new contents in the test server, you have your opinion, I have mine. It seems you can't keep a constructive discussion going without resorting to personal attacks, I will no longer be replying to your comments as it will derail the purpose of this thread. Good day buddy.

I apologize to Zeus if I've derailed this thread in any way.

I've kept myself constructive with my opinion on limiting gems usage. U don't understand is not my problem. Like u said I have my opinion and it's not my interest on attacking personally. If u perceive it that way then it's u. Anyway good luck ahead.

[kixkaxx]

Hello Developers,

While I do understand that on a test server, things are expected to change...there was a quote that jewels are not likely to change in stats.


This is something that I covered in April. In order to prevent creating another 3 piece ring ordeal that plagued PL for the longest time, it is essential that the jewels be either equal or slightly better than gems like: enchanted eye of syrillax, paracelsus gems, or reinforced gems.


The game should progress - not be locked in a specific state for all eternity. Just as I expect SNS to be outperformed eventually (perhaps with the new arcane pets), the gems should also be eventually replaced with something better if jewels are really intended to replace gems. Otherwise, it just creates a grandfather effect where only those with vast resources win while those who do not have such vast resourced end up losing.


This is just my $.02.

Thank you for your time and input,

Zeus

Special gems will be back during holidays, so they should be better than jewl which you can obtain it as always. Also reinforced gems are much much harder to get than jews(whose ingredient drops from all mobs in Arlor). It doesn't make sense to have armor jewl better than reinforced gems

[gumball3000]

Hello Developers,

While I do understand that on a test server, things are expected to change...there was a quote that jewels are not likely to change in stats.


This is something that I covered in April. In order to prevent creating another 3 piece ring ordeal that plagued PL for the longest time, it is essential that the jewels be either equal or slightly better than gems like: enchanted eye of syrillax, paracelsus gems, or reinforced gems.


The game should progress - not be locked in a specific state for all eternity. Just as I expect SNS to be outperformed eventually (perhaps with the new arcane pets), the gems should also be eventually replaced with something better if jewels are really intended to replace gems. Otherwise, it just creates a grandfather effect where only those with vast resources win while those who do not have such vast resourced end up losing.


This is just my $.02.

Thank you for your time and input,

Zeus

100% agree with this, jewels should be better than para and eyes because normal players ike myself played the halloween event and got one para gem which is long gone by now but some people farmed 10, 20 or more of them and stashed them for later use.

Either you make jewels better than para or eye or you also make these gems buyabe with the new tokens.

[Zeus]

Limiting gems to old gears only will solve the entire issue.

No, it would not because twink gear is rarely updated. It would only be a half fix.