Red Dragon Slayer question

[TerryDarc]

TerryDarc,
First thing, stop posting multiple threads about the same event.

Secondly, this is how a Red Dragon Slayer host thinks. Anyone who's joined an RDS game is most probably farming for a starry garb,

not sure whether you have heard of it. It is extremely rare and takes multiple (100 +) runs to finally get one person in the whole party

of 5 to drop it. That could be 100 - 200 runs just for one person to get it. So you want to get a starry today and you want to complete

100 runs as soon as possible and you want the best team there is. Now lets look at you. A savage fox. That means horrible damage and

completely useless AoE. Most slayer hosts boot any class without a combo, let alone foxes. It just seems logical that he boots you.

A Slayer host thinks about how fast the runs can be done, not about whether you survive or not. Having you in his party would almost

be like being short of one player. Thats how much damage you can do as a STR Fox without an elixir.

First, the incident seemed funny enuf that even a sourpuss like you might appreciate it.

Second, tell me what kind of stats I've got that you find so deficient: 304 armor so I don't get killed there very often and can stick around to inflict damage
425 DPS which of the toons I've looked at who aren't afraid to share, seems pretty decent.

Third, I have NO idea where you get the idea that a STR fox (actiually a hybrid) can inflict no damage? Are you a developer? If not, you have no idea. None.

[Groaning]

First, the incident seemed funny enuf that even a sourpuss like you might appreciate it.

Second, tell me what kind of stats I've got that you find so deficient: 304 armor so I don't get killed there very often and can stick around to inflict damage
425 DPS which of the toons I've looked at who aren't afraid to share, seems pretty decent.

Third, I have NO idea where you get the idea that a STR fox (actiually a hybrid) can inflict no damage? Are you a developer? If not, you have no idea. None.

they inflict next to no damage compared to dex birds int mages and dex bears
strs bears out tanks/ damage you
rhinos can buff the whole team and can heal
mages have aoe which you have two both which suck
birds do 100000x more damage
and dex foxes can output twice the dps
and with 3x most of the classes (other than rhino) can do more than 5x how much damage you do

[TerryDarc]

they inflict next to no damage compared to dex birds int mages and dex bears
strs bears out tanks/ damage you
rhinos can buff the whole team and can heal
mages have aoe which you have two both which suck
birds do 100000x more damage
and dex foxes can output twice the dps
and with 3x most of the classes (other than rhino) can do more than 5x how much damage you do

I'm curious. What stat SHOULD I be looking at if not DPS?

Birds do 100,000x the damage? Get out of here!

[Suentous PO]

I'm curious. What stat SHOULD I be looking at if not DPS?

Birds do 100,000x the damage? Get out of here!

Like I said, look at your damage range, that's more important than dps. Your highest possible dps is lower than a geared dex birds lowest damage range.

Rough stats
............Fox in savage...............geared up bow bird
Damage.....348-368............................ 442- 482
Dps................421............................ ..... 660

Your average is more like 360, and the bird is closer to 460

Dps is an abstract of you always hitting something unarmored. Dps is good to consider for mobs, but bosses have good armor that subtracts from that, and that's not taking into account rds' trick of making you target randoms and be unable briefly to target him when he lands after jumps.

[Groaning]

I'm curious. What stat SHOULD I be looking at if not DPS?

Birds do 100,000x the damage? Get out of here!

thats the point your using savage which has no damage compared to a swift fox
on top of that you don't have have a combo that 1.5-3x the damage gone
the 100000 is a emphasis on how little damage you do

birds have break = more damage for the rest of the team
birds have root = less dodges from the mobs
birds might have higher shatter = even more armor decrease
birds also have the second best combo (most damaging i think tho) and on top of that its aoe it hits the mobs its summon
on top of that they have a 3x which makes them do like 19378476438267382638x more damage then a savage behr
and if they have lust bow/2pc/3pc all the merrier

admit it foxes do next to no damage next to birds

[Loganayr]

I'm curious. What stat SHOULD I be looking at if not DPS?

Birds do 100,000x the damage? Get out of here!

If you read my previous post you can get an unbiased idea.

The fox hate is quite common in pve, but it's mainly due to most foxes going savage in pve, which is not a good asset.

I'll resummarize to give you a clear idea:

Your damage is based on raw BASE DAMAGE. The DPS is the damage per second dealt by the weapon with autoattack. Since you will use skills 90% of the time you are fighting, the dps doesn't matter. Skills are based off the base damage, the higher the better. However, this is not the only main stat you look at when you are looking at a pve damage char. You must put into account HIT RATING and Crit. Hit rating is actually one of the most important stats for pve output damage, because in this game 100% hit is VERY LOW. You can see this by yourself by hosting any bsm map and look at mobs avoiding almost half your attacks as a savage fox.

In conclusion if you go savage in slayer, your attacks will miss a lot, (your crits too, that are already low in % as savage), your hits will hit for low damage due to the lower base damage, and unfortunately you won't be helping in multiclass combos.

HOWEVER: it is true that lacking roots and other skills necessary for interclass combos you aren't adding much to other classes damage output, however i can assure you that if you learn how to play a full dex fox you can get on par and even outdamage some birds on a single target like red dragon. Fox has 2 solo combos with very fast cooldown; i myself have both bird and fox at 77 and i am a pve fanatic, so i know what i am talking about. However to actually play it correctly you will also need to learn how to keep dragon against wall since in dex asset you WILL have aggro on dragon and if you don't play it right it will either go into lava or will make you go back to corner periodically(which is most pve noob foxes do).

If you want to see how it's done add me ingame

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