Class restriction in PvP

**yubaraj** · 07-18-2016, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Zeus

They didn't get their damage back in the sense that rogues still hit less than before. The only difference was they were the least affected on the stat page by the nerf. Rogues lose about 15% damage technically compared to warrior and sorcerer's 40%. However, that actually helped sorcerers and warrior out because it gave them more time to react to big damage and took away from the glass cannon aspect.

So in short, that rebalance didn't help at all for end game. I know, however, that it did help at twink level. Why? They got a damage buff! So, they did get the glass cannon aspect of them. Yes, rogues hit hard there but that's exactly why they have a role in PvP. If their damage can be out healed by a warrior and Mage stack then there's no point to having a rogue.

As far as I remember this global Nerf thing was applied as developer saw rogue as a greater threat to opposite rogue due to their one shot and high crit skill. If they give rogue more damage I doubt it will solve anything.

As far as twinks goes rogue survibality is more than endgame. Mage and warrior cannot one combo shieldless rogue imo.

Anyways I am done speaking for rogues favour. Thank you.

**Alwarez** · 07-18-2016, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by yubaraj

As far as I remember this global Nerf thing was applied as developer saw rogue as a greater threat to opposite rogue due to their one shot and high crit skill.

I still get one shoted in endgame with 1900 armor and 6k hp btw

**Breakingbadxx** · 07-18-2016, 03:57 PM

So we should be looking into the factors giving twink rogues the ability to survive in the situations endgame rogues are struggling hopelessly in?

**Energizeric** · 07-19-2016, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Zeus

They didn't get their damage back in the sense that rogues still hit less than before. The only difference was they were the least affected on the stat page by the nerf. Rogues lose about 15% damage technically compared to warrior and sorcerer's 40%. However, that actually helped sorcerers and warrior out because it gave them more time to react to big damage and took away from the glass cannon aspect.

So in short, that rebalance didn't help at all for end game. I know, however, that it did help at twink level. Why? They got a damage buff! So, they did get the glass cannon aspect of them. Yes, rogues hit hard there but that's exactly why they have a role in PvP. If their damage can be out healed by a warrior and Mage stack then there's no point to having a rogue.

That is actually a fair point! If I am fighting a rogue, it really doesn't matter whether he hits me for 60% of my health or 80% of my health. Either way, one more hit will kill me, so I must heal myself. But if that one hit was to take 100% of my health instead (as it used to), I would be dead and my heal would be useless.

I will say though that PvP was not very fun when I could be killed by a rogue with one hit. What exactly is one to do to avoid that? There is no strategy you can take. You cannot dodge the hit, or run away (the rogue is faster than you). So once your shield is in cool down, you are toast if they decide to come after you. Often times in TDM, you don't even see the rogue, you are just suddenly dead because an arrow that came from somewhere hit you. For a game that is supposed to be about strategy, there's not much strategy in that.

There must be some way we can make rogues competitive without them being able to one hit sorcerers and other rogues. As you mentioned, it works fine at twink levels and there are no one-hits going on there. So there must be a way that endgame can also be balance like that.

**Energizeric** · 07-19-2016, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Breakingbadxx

So we should be looking into the factors giving twink rogues the ability to survive in the situations endgame rogues are struggling hopelessly in?

The factors are very simple..... More health and more armor. This is mostly due to the fact that pet happiness bonuses do not scale to level. So if you have an arcane pet at twink levels, you receive all the health and armor buff that end game players do from that same pet. Since damage and crit buffs from pet happiness are percentage based, they do scale to level appropriately. So you end up with more health and armor than you should have at that level, yet your damage and crit is not higher than it should be.

**Suentous PO** · 07-19-2016, 09:22 PM

Your forum pic change cracked me up Parth

**Zeus** · 07-19-2016, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

Your forum pic change cracked me up Parth

It's because I'm crying over how useless rogues are now. xD

**Suentous PO** · 07-19-2016, 09:31 PM

I got it right away- soz

**Ireliaa** · 07-20-2016, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Zeus

It's because I'm crying over how useless rogues are now. xD

I honestly dont think anyone will care about the balance issue

we are just gonna have to wait to get new cap and old items "phase out" to open room for balancing, so another year
be sure have enough tears for a year or so

**Ucannaunabae** · 07-23-2016, 06:41 AM

i think the probelms is nt the class, but the gear that been used , and the stats . i always been bullied in pv lol XD

**Hoardseeker** · 07-24-2016, 08:46 AM

This is some great idea!

**Dehydration** · 07-26-2016, 06:34 AM

Most of my twink friends are rogues too. If I can only play with 1 other friend in the same team whos the same class as me, wouldn't it hinder me from having fun with my other rogue friends? The same goes for other classes as well. I don't want to play with them separately. I really don't support this idea.

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