Please don't do this again...

[Bazinga!]

The selfish card can be played both ways. The primary reason some people want them re-released is because they don't have them but wish to. It's even worse in that case since them being tradeable now means they're entirely obtainable by anyone, people just want to get their hands on them with the least amount of effort.

It isn't entirely selfish to not want them re-released anyways. I've always wanted a Devil's Pitchfork yet I was bummed to see those available again, I don't have an ESB yet I think the level 80 plat version is incredibly lame, I've never had a Humania face, but I don't want those made available again. In a world where everyone and their grandma has an undeserved Founder's and CoP, few items still hold any importance and have uniqueness to them. Some things were made to be limited and should be kept that way.

Besides, where do we draw the line? The original Valentine's items are some of the last holiday items that actually retained their spirit to them. Are holiday items the only things being re-released, or are we going to see Ichor weapons and black drag for plat soon? Since that would also generate lots of money for StS. Should Volconuts start dropping too so we can disregard anything retaining what little uniqueness it still has? People just suggest what should and shouldn't return based on what benefits them the most.

There's no doubt that it would be a shame if they re-released the old Valentines items. But I am having doubts on whether you think its a shame for the right reason. We really have to get rid of this 'exclusivity' mindset. The fact that Valentines items are one of a kind is because other items HAVE been re-released and Valentines items HAVE NOT. Ideally, no item should have been re-released, and new items should have been made in place of them.

I, for one, am least interested in a Valentines Item, and I believe that several other players share the same opinion. I don't want old Valentines items to return, but instead have new items all together. Ask Pluto; he hasn't been able to sell his Cupids Bow for ages. And if the price depreciates, I would be even less interested, because then I won't be able to keep them as an asset.

And please not this undeserved crap again. Don't you think someone who has worked hard to earn 50M deserves to be able to buy a founders? Go to any other game. There's no discrimination based on when you joined. You have every chance to be the best, whether it's by playing too much or paying too much.

[Suentous PO]

And please not this undeserved crap again. Don't you think someone who has worked hard to earn 50M deserves to be able to buy a founders? Go to any other game. There's no discrimination based on when you joined.

Throughout the VAST majority of this game there has nearly alwayway been a differential based on when you played and what you might have done to earn what, which was going to be exclusive.
That is one the the things that used to drive me,
that was why I didn't "go to any other game".

[KingFu]

There's no doubt that it would be a shame if they re-released the old Valentines items. But I am having doubts on whether you think its a shame for the right reason. We really have to get rid of this 'exclusivity' mindset. The fact that Valentines items are one of a kind is because other items HAVE been re-released and Valentines items HAVE NOT. Ideally, no item should have been re-released, and new items should have been made in place of them.

I, for one, am least interested in a Valentines Item, and I believe that several other players share the same opinion. I don't want old Valentines items to return, but instead have new items all together. Ask Pluto; he hasn't been able to sell his Cupids Bow for ages. And if the price depreciates, I would be even less interested, because then I won't be able to keep them as an asset.

And what's this so called "right reason" in the eyes of...you? I've said twice it isn't even remotely about self-gain. As for your stance on exclusivity, I strongly disagree.

And please not this undeserved crap again. Don't you think someone who has worked hard to earn 50M deserves to be able to buy a founders?

Uh, nope, not even a little bit. Different items are meant to represent various things. Founder's was created to represent founding players, CoP was to recognize those who hit the first elite cap, Tourney Shield, Over Achiever helm, Volconut, etc. Those vanities had a story attached to each of them. They were something players had to actually work hard to earn through various means, and not just sit in town and buy. Countless items played the role of showing off your wealth, not every item needs to. There's much more to PL than just gold. Having a lot of gold grants you several privileges as is, it shouldn't get you everything.

Go to any other game. There's no discrimination based on when you joined. You have every chance to be the best, whether it's by playing too much or paying too much.

Lol, huh? Countless games have exclusive and limited items. Pre-order incentives, limited collector's editions, exclusive releases of the game, limited holiday items/DLC, various events. I have no idea what you're talking about there. Also, how do exclusive vanity helms and items that aren't even viable in PvP inhibit anyone from being "the best"? You mean to tell me Johnnythebear can't be the best bear in PL because he doesn't have a CoP on his head and a Tourney Shield in hand? I'll also ignore the fact you may actually be suggesting pay-to-win is a better practice than having exclusive/limited items.

[Bazinga!]

And what's this so called "right reason" in the eyes of...you? I've said twice it isn't even remotely about self-gain. As for your stance on exclusivity, I strongly disagree.



Uh, nope, not even a little bit. Different items are meant to represent various things. Founder's was created to represent founding players, CoP was to recognize those who hit the first elite cap, Tourney Shield, Over Achiever helm, Volconut, etc. Those vanities had a story attached to each of them. They were something players had to actually work hard to earn through various means, and not just sit in town and buy. Countless items played the role of showing off your wealth, not every item needs to. There's much more to PL than just gold. Having a lot of gold grants you several privileges as is, it shouldn't get you everything.



Lol, huh? Countless games have exclusive and limited items. Pre-order incentives, limited collector's editions, exclusive releases of the game, limited holiday items/DLC, various events. I have no idea what you're talking about there. Also, how do exclusive vanity helms and items that aren't even viable in PvP inhibit anyone from being "the best"? You mean to tell me Johnnythebear can't be the best bear in PL because he doesn't have a CoP on his head and a Tourney Shield in hand? I'll also ignore the fact you may actually be suggesting pay-to-win is a better practice than having exclusive/limited items.

So you mean discovering the game early enough to get a Founder's helm is hard work? Then you have no idea. Some vanities can be meant for special purposes, but what does this have to do with a Valentine's Event? Having gold doesn't grant access to everything. You can't get a Tourney Shield, a Volconut or a Founder if the owner does not want to sell. Valentines on the other hand is a recurring event. There will be all sorts of new Valentines based gear.

Basically you want to own an item that was made in 2010 and say in 2017 that "I have this item. I joined before you, so I'm better than you". You shouldn't deny it. And Sue outright said it. If you do the same kind of discrimination with skin color, it's called racism, and I hope you don't support that as well.

Honestly that is the reason we're all here, you're absolutely correct Ghost. And it's also the reason for new players not being here. And if you think STS is going to keep updating for the same people year after year, well tough luck KingFu.

Other games have exclusive items. But a person who doesn't have them isn't shunned away. Besides, there's always the option of trading with real money in other games, which isn't an option in PL, thus the idea of making all items tradeable.

[Suentous PO]

So you mean discovering the game early enough to get a Founder's helm is hard work?

You put words in ppls mouths and twist what they say. When he said hard work it was specifically mentioning other items in a separate sentence.

Having gold doesn't grant access to everything.

Yes it does now, minus human faces.

Valentines on the other hand is a recurring event. There will be all sorts of new Valentines based gear.

Hey, there's a good idea, new items.

Basically you want to own an item that was made in 2010 and say in 2017 that "I have this item. I joined before you, so I'm better than you". You shouldn't deny it. And Sue outright said it. If you do the same kind of discrimination with skin color, it's called racism, and I hope you don't support that as well.

Again twisting things and putting words in ppls mouths- No one said they were "better than you".
To compare this to racism is disingenuous and hyperbolic to say the least, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other games have exclusive items. But a person who doesn't have them isn't shunned away.

"shunned", really? Lol ppl need to take responsibility for their own perceptions and grow some thick skin before they go on line

[Bazinga!]

You put words in ppls mouths and twist what they say. When he said hard work it was specifically mentioning other items in a separate sentence.



Yes it does now, minus human faces.




Hey, there's a good idea, new items.



Again twisting things and putting words in ppls mouths- No one said they were "better than you".
To compare this to racism is disingenuous and hyperbolic to say the least, you couldn't be more wrong.




"shunned", really? Lol ppl need to take responsibility for their own perceptions and grow some thick skin before they go on line

Oh please. We all have our own perceptions. Wrong is such a vague and relative term. You're as wrong as I am.

It may not be you, but you know that most of the community that still plays started a long time ago, and you know that a lot of people openly belittle new players.

What matters is experience. If you joined on the release date and never played since then, you would automatically have a founders. Did you deserve it? I don't think so.

I don't care if some people want exclusive items. It doesn't matter to me. But what does matter is the fact that people declare themselves better than others solely for owning some of these vanities, and as I mentioned, you may not be one of these people.

There's no point of me arguing any more. We got off on the wrong foot. I didn't mean to point you out in particular, but you cannot deny that the majority of the community has this mindset.

If things keep going like this, it doesn't matter how many updates PL gets, because as long as the player base doesn't increase, PL will remain a dead game.

[KingFu]

Sue's response was pretty spot on, but I'll also add:

Having gold doesn't grant access to everything.

Wow, you're totally right. I entirely forgot about premium elixirs and Humania faces, silly me.

You can't get a Tourney Shield, a Volconut or a Founder if the owner does not want to sell.

Only there are several owners who do. Each of those examples I've seen in cs and know current sellers for. Name even one active item there isn't/hasn't been a seller for. Otherwise it's just yet another irrelevant hypothetical.

Basically you want to own an item that was made in 2010 and say in 2017 that "I have this item. I joined before you, so I'm better than you". You shouldn't deny it.

If only I had gone over my reasoning in a previous post. Heh. Anyways, you're right, this is so much worse than "I have this item. I'm richer than you, so I'm better than you."

If you do the same kind of discrimination with skin color, it's called racism, and I hope you don't support that as well.

Now that is a valid and intelligent point, sir. Well done.

I can cherry-pick too. You're clearly more fixated on attempting to twist my words and go off on a tangent than you are to construct a coherent counterargument, so oh well. I'll take my support of racism elsewhere.

[zaorago]

"Having gold doesn't grant access to everything." - Bazinga

"Wow, you're totally right. I entirely forgot about premium elixirs and Humania faces, silly me." - KingFu

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