For you oldies out there: all-time best pvpers!

[KingCat]

Great Video Will! I'm disappointed you didn't make the top 10, but surely your're top in my books. Apart from 1-2 people that played earlier from40-50 cap, I recognized everyone else on the list. Gonna have to disagree on your list to an extent. Yes everyone on the list is amazing at what they do, but for me - it has all always been a different person on top of their game every lvl cap. Doesn't matter if the balance favored a different class. There's always some players that know what they're doing. And before you give recognition to players, please also consider players all around.

There are many talented players that only play a specific game; some only play pvp, while others like huskybird/ywforplaying love ctf. There's different skills involved in both variations of the game. For ex. Kanital might be a great bird in your books, but that's not the same for me. What I know him for is what you call teaming. 3v1 or 2v1 and even then he needs to tree. He's never been good 1v1, well against me or a few other birds I've witnessed. And there's more players like this. Imo the best bird for pvp in my books has to be TheLonearcher, Mike is just super crazy good. His agility is like x3 of any player I've played with. I played with him many caps and this guy would 1v3 1v2 without treeing and come on top as the winner. Now that's skill that many players don't have. CTF wise it has to be Dolloway, he is phenomenally exceptional. It's not like 1-2 games or even 5-10 games, this guy is on top of his game every game. You can never go wrong when he's on your team. I still play with him and boy I hate vs him. Tripphazzard a very down to earth person and I'm glad he's on the list. He taught me most of my bird. He was a great mentor and I was blessed to be in the same guild as him.

Okay the post is already getting long, so I'm gonna cut it short LOL. Bear wise I agree with your list, but Cloak has always dominated Glad whenever I've played with both players. Crash is also a great bear that has been dominating the last 1-2 caps, so I've heard. I met crash 61-66 cap I think. He didn't have 3pc, so he wasn't on the same lvl vs these other guys, but he was still one of my favorite bears. Just like him, there were so many players that had the disadvantage of not having the 3pc ring or the dragon set and yet they would outclass the players with rings.

Mage: I was honestly shocked Nobounds aka Flawless didn't make the list. This guy understood game mechanics and would tank his way to victory. He was another player I always feared when vs him; Absolutely domination. Nun was another skillful mage that was awesome at maging. There's being good and then there's being skillful. Would have to agree with Shiloo being one of the great mages that are still out there. I learned my mage from him. I need more training John, should log back more often noob. I miss ya!

yours truly Multibird

[XghostzX]

Mage: I was honestly shocked Nobounds aka Flawless didn't make the list. This guy understood game mechanics and would tank his way to victory. He was another player I always feared when vs him; Absolutely domination. Nun was another skillful mage that was awesome at maging. There's being good and then there's being skillful. Would have to agree with Shiloo being one of the great mages that are still out there. I learned my mage from him. I need more training John, should log back more often noob. I miss ya!

yours truly Multibird

It was tough putting together the list, love hearing the responses

Yeah, I was actually contemplating putting Nobounds on the list. He, too, was part of that original 5v5 CTF match (Unity vs Rev). Definitely ranks high among mages, but my only issue is that I just never really saw him play a whole ton compared to some other guys. Nor would would we ever play on the same team, so I couldn't have accurately evaluated his skill. Nonetheless, I still agree with you!

[Dolloway]

There's different skills involved in both variations of the game. For ex. Kanital might be a great bird in your books, but that's not the same for me. What I know him for is what you call teaming. 3v1 or 2v1 and even then he needs to tree. He's never been good 1v1, well against me or a few other birds I've witnessed.

I strongly disagree. Just because you have bad memories of playing with Kanital (teaming) doesn't mean that he's not a great bird. He was on top of his game during caps where skill mattered more than luck. Kanital was one of the best xbow players/kiters that I've seen in the game even to this day. He really thrived off of his knowledge of range. You may say that "Kanital is not a good 1v1 player," but there's a reason why he went so far in 1v1 bird tournaments. And of course, one of the best duos that I've seen with such great chemistry was Kanital alongside Kellylita/Imkelly. Both great ranged players.

If you were to reasonably take away any of the birds on the list, it should be Skimmey in my opinion simply because he did absolutely nothing after GCD. He didn't like the new system, so he renamed to Freeusfromgcd, hopped on for a few games here or there (and was really below average because he wasn't used to it) and then just quit the game out of frustration. You can't tell who multi-touched before GCD was implemented and the fact that he quit the game shortly after is a really good indication that he did. Other 'powerhouses' of the 56 cap like Xrax and HmmHmm definitely deserve to be ranked over him in my opinion because they never lost a step even after GCD was implemented.

As for your other opinions, they're fair assessments. I would most likely put Nun on a top 10 list. The thing with Nobounds is that he was really great at one cap (76) and okay at other caps. And of course, he was great when pallies were one of the best types of classes in the game at 76 which kind of raises questions over where he should be placed. In the caps before that, he kept switching between dex, int, and str and never really mastered one. I would put Alwaysdtf/Absolutepally above him as a pally simply because Dtf never switched from being a pally. He was a pally for as long as I've known him in the game and was never bad at it, even when int or dex mages were clearly superior options. He's even made it to the finals of a 1v1 tournament when the game was filled with int mages at the 66 cap (and probably should have won, due to the buff glitch).

Some players that perhaps deserve a spot on an all time list:
Nun
Crash
Nobounds
Papapat (one bear I really think should be on the list compared to some of those bears)
Ace
Ice
Xrax
Hmmhmm
Zo
Azi
Alvin
Flacs
Haha's bear
Edensfury

Just off the top of my head. Most definitely forgetting some people.

[KingCat]

I strongly disagree. Just because you have bad memories of playing with Kanital (teaming) doesn't mean that he's not a great bird. He was on top of his game during caps where skill mattered more than luck. Kanital was one of the best xbow players/kiters that I've seen in the game even to this day. He really thrived off of his knowledge of range. You may say that "Kanital is not a good 1v1 player," but there's a reason why he went so far in 1v1 bird tournaments.

If you were to reasonably take away any of the birds on the list, it should be Skimmey in my opinion simply because he did absolutely nothing after GCD.

Like I said before, everyone has their own opinion. And everyone had their day of glory, you simply can't have one best player every cap. But if your basing it off tournaments, it has to be hahabirdy.