GUIDE: Rushers

[Paar]

Uh this has turned into a Big FLAME thread! Deleted and Gonna be locked

[Piosidon]

I call rushing back revenge kills which is completely different if you ask me

[Paar]

Exactly! Repeat that? Did You say "Rushing Back?" Did you take the time and read Pios Cmon bro I know Your Smarter tha. That!

[Piosidon]

Exactly! Repeat that? Did You say "Rushing Back?" Did you take the time and read Pios Cmon bro I know Your Smarter tha. That!

Fine I'll say taking free kills

[Paar]

Hehe There ya go

[Piosidon]

Hehe There ya go

It's the same difference 

[maneatingtree]

So booting is better than just killing em back?

[Piosidon]

So booting is better than just killing em back?

Well I almost never host my own games so....

[maneatingtree]

Yes or no question...

[razerfingers]

Yes or no question...

Yes

[Otukura]

I don't rush; I take preventative measures. :D

[maneatingtree]

Low lvl rushers always get the boot or ( my favorite option) they get dead.

[Onaraasider]

I hate those ppl that continuously rush u just becuz u rushed them once, I was accused of rushing when I had auto attack on, and person started attacking someone and my auto attack triggered when they stomped. I was rushed the rest of the game and the next.

[AbsolutePally]

Im beginning to lean towards this.
If you enter a pvp arena be prepared to fight. Its not a social circle gather or a place to stay afk or chat all day.
Idk what happened to pvp but it used to be ffa fun all day. No crying bc u know and accept the possibility by entering you will die.
It seems like the weak began make the arena a domesticated formal dance.
May I have this dance? Sure. Or no or wait ... Zzzzzz.

Tell me this. Does anyone make pve games and just sit in there talking or afk? Do u wait for everyone and say go? Its a dungeon right? You kill mobs amd the boss no? I know pve is easy and a walk in the park compared to pvo but if you cant hang make a private game w ur friends and make your social pow wow.
Take off the kid gloves and fight! Itll make u better, a player forged under pressure will always be better.
People call rushers noobs but who is the real noob? The ppl sitting around talking or afk in an arena!!!! Or the person who came to pvp?
If you cant handle it there is also a leave button, pvp, or cs u could go to.

Not speaking to anyone in psrticular or personally. This is in,general.
Typically Mud Mash or alien underground matches are ffa gogogo paced. Where as forest fights are 1/1 pow wow social circles arena.

[Whirlzap]

Im beginning to lean towards this.
If you enter a pvp arena be prepared to fight. Its not a social circle gather or a place to stay afk or chat all day.
Idk what happened to pvp but it used to be ffa fun all day. No crying bc u know and accept the possibility by entering you will die. Wi
It seems like the weak began make the arena a domesticated formal dance.
May I have this dance? Sure. Or no or wait ... Zzzzzz.

Tell me this. Does anyone make pve games and just sit in there talking or afk? Do u wait for everyone and say go? Its a dungeon right? You kill mobs amd the boss no? I know pve is easy and a walk in the park compared to pvo but if you cant hang make a private game w ur friends and make your social pow wow.
Take off the kid gloves and fight! Itll make u better, a player forged under pressure will always be better.
People call rushers noobs but who is the real noob? The ppl sitting around talking or afk in an arena!!!! Or the person who came to pvp?
If you cant handle it there is also a leave button, pvp, or cs u could go to.

Not speaking to anyone in psrticular or personally. This is in,general.
Typically Mud Mash or alien underground matches are ffa gogogo paced. Where as forest fights are 1/1 pow wow social circles arena.

I disagree. You don't own the room. The host does. You cannot go into a room, whether it's PvP or social chat, and just demand for PvP. If you do so or decide to rush, you're the one doing wrong. This is a free game, and people have free will, as long as it stays within ToS. Rushing makes one's gameplay ruined, and violates the ToS INDIRECTLY. If you find a game incooperative, simply leave and don't cause trouble.
As with rushing, the answer is to rather prevent it before it happens, IMO.
Don't start a rush back at them; it won't do any crap.
They still have the kill from you, and they'll go away laughing at you, the second that you're about to kill them back.
I honestly think that PvP should seriously have a 30 second join cooldown, where you cannot attack or be attacked when you join. A lot of games at twink levels have people who RUSH YOU when you join. I've encountered so many of these that I don't even bother to twink PvP anymore.

Anyways, yeah, either have a good and very alert host that can boot, be near a group of people on your team, or simply spec some STR and have STR gear. If you look at a pally, they don't even need Mana Shield...

As for your suggestion, remember this is a game suited for kids at younger ages than you;it's not just adults. The people who swear and curse, they're doing wrong stuff.
If you want to go ahead, and encourage that and do that, then you might as well be just as bad as them.

[AbsolutePally]

I disagree. You don't own the room. The host does. You cannot go into a room, whether it's PvP or social chat, and just demand for PvP. If you do so or decide to rush, you're the one doing wrong. This is a free game, and people have free will, as long as it stays within ToS. Rushing makes one's gameplay ruined, and violates the ToS INDIRECTLY. If you find a game incooperative, simply leave and don't cause trouble.
As with rushing, the answer is to rather prevent it before it happens, IMO.
Don't start a rush back at them; it won't do any crap.
They still have the kill from you, and they'll go away laughing at you, the second that you're about to kill them back.
I honestly think that PvP should seriously have a 30 second join cooldown, where you cannot attack or be attacked when you join. A lot of games at twink levels have people who RUSH YOU when you join. I've encountered so many of these that I don't even bother to twink PvP anymore.

Anyways, yeah, either have a good and very alert host that can boot, be near a group of people on your team, or simply spec some STR and have STR gear. If you look at a pally, they don't even need Mana Shield...

As for your suggestion, remember this is a game suited for kids at younger ages than you;it's not just adults. The people who swear and curse, they're doing wrong stuff.
If you want to go ahead, and encourage that and do that, then you might as well be just as bad as them.

Why are you speaking to me as if I am a rusher or violate any terms of service or curse? You should know better than to associate me with amything like that.
Rushing is not a violation it is not agaisnt any rules. If the game is a social chat circle i'll either chat if they are my friends or leave, or make my own game, or join another room if possible.
All I am saying is rushing is apart of the game it happens, people need to accept and get over the fact thst it does, will, and may always be/happen. If you want to be upset about it then that is on you. You can either play the pvp arena GAME, stay dead, leave, host your own game, boot if it is already yours, go forums, cs, pve...
Player vs player right? Not chatter vs afker.
I'm no better than who whirlz? Excuse me?

[13lacklegionz]

I disagree. You don't own the room. The host does. You cannot go into a room, whether it's PvP or social chat, and just demand for PvP. If you do so or decide to rush, you're the one doing wrong. This is a free game, and people have free will, as long as it stays within ToS. Rushing makes one's gameplay ruined, and violates the ToS INDIRECTLY. If you find a game incooperative, simply leave and don't cause trouble.

Why should you be able to make the decision that 'rushing makes one's gameplay ruined?' Other people could argue that 'standing around and talking without pvping' makes one's gameplay ruined.

[XghostzX]

Im beginning to lean towards this.
If you enter a pvp arena be prepared to fight. Its not a social circle gather or a place to stay afk or chat all day.
Idk what happened to pvp but it used to be ffa fun all day. No crying bc u know and accept the possibility by entering you will die.
It seems like the weak began make the arena a domesticated formal dance.
May I have this dance? Sure. Or no or wait ... Zzzzzz.

Tell me this. Does anyone make pve games and just sit in there talking or afk? Do u wait for everyone and say go? Its a dungeon right? You kill mobs amd the boss no? I know pve is easy and a walk in the park compared to pvo but if you cant hang make a private game w ur friends and make your social pow wow.
Take off the kid gloves and fight! Itll make u better, a player forged under pressure will always be better.
People call rushers noobs but who is the real noob? The ppl sitting around talking or afk in an arena!!!! Or the person who came to pvp?
If you cant handle it there is also a leave button, pvp, or cs u could go to.

Not speaking to anyone in psrticular or personally. This is in,general.
Typically Mud Mash or alien underground matches are ffa gogogo paced. Where as forest fights are 1/1 pow wow social circles arena.

Wowwww thank you DTF. I literally could not have phrased this is any other way. I miss the old get in the arena and act like there's no tomorrow. Some people ask me to teach them to pvp as a mage (many skilled pvper's, not sure why i get asked on times). Main reason as DTF stated... I learned to PvP under pressure. It gives you many skills and progressively makes you better. Now, I'm no rusher, I like to be friendly with every PL "era" to come with new people. PvP from when 40-45 was the cap was a lot different, so i understand most of those who hate those intense on-going games. Just saying, under pressure helps with your technique. Technique transfers to the 1/1 arena too!

And it's always nice to have those forest fight matches with a social group...

[MightyMicah]

Why do we kill murderers? I mean in real life in America. Makes you think huh?

Also Ililijopliliil is the best pvper at 23 and she/he rushes like nothing else...

My point is, I doubt all rushers are noobs, and I doubt letting them rush will solve the problem. I mean letting a spoiled child have their way just makes them more spoiled. A spanken on the butt however usually cures the problem. However, pvp wise, "Spanking them," or rushing back, won't solve anything unless they are aware WHY (caps for emphasis, not yelling) you are rushing them back.

Obviously this part my opinion, however I hope it is, and i believe it is, the right one. Cheers

Edit: My solution to this problem is listed in my thread "League of shadows (putting rushers in their place)"

~MM

[Gaunab]

Some nice ideas, but at one point I have to disagree:

Of course I will fight back! And you can't call it "rushing" back with the meaning of attacking an unprepared player since whoever rushes will be pretty much aware of the propability that he will be killed.
Or does a person rush you and than just stand around waiting for something to happen? No, either they leave -.- or they try to go on rushing.
And actually, I like how some rushers spice up some PvP games aka as forest chatclubs *
You have to be always prepared when somebody joins the game whose intentions you don't know.
When I see them buffing and running towards me, I usually buff too, but I don't attack until they do the first step. If they do, so do I and most likely I manage to shoot them down quickly, since as you said, they are "noobs" (most likely...). But sometimes I'm in a 1v1 fight or texting or something, and the rusher get's me.
In both cases the first thing I ask is not "Noob rusher!" or something like this but simply "why?" or "why rushing?" So they have a chance to say something in case they are just new to PvP. If so, I don't mind.
I find all these players who always ask for "freebies" or "revenge kills" completely ridiculous. Many "pros" do it as well.
But in case they don't, but they try to rush me again, they can be prepared for some 1v1 rushing action, that goes as long as someone leaves or gives up.
And I, personally really enjoy those, since it requires much more strategy than a simple 1on1. Running, tree hugging, everything allowed!
Only thing I don't like, eventhough I might be sometimes guilty of this, is when the whole team - even non-rushed players - group up against this one person... No more challenge at all.

So, I think everyone can handle rushers like they feel to, but IMO, if they really ASK for a beatup, they will get it and I will serve it with a smile on my face.
Worst thing to do is to smack talk against the rusher, this won't help!

I don't know who posted this once in a thread, but it's so true, it stuck to my mind:

"Only a noob calls others noob. Pros shut up and kill."