For those with ONLY 66 vanity, check out my compensation thread.
For those with ONLY 66 vanity, check out my compensation thread.
I would like to point out that if you buy a car and it does not work, you claim your money back. You don't just accept that you bought a broken car.
Similarly, if you buy a crafting recipe that doesn't work, you will ask for your platinum back or request a fix. You donít quit the game just because of that, right?
In our case, some people paid a fair amount of platinum (sometimes > 700) to reach cap so that their toon would get a bonus. So they paid for a service (at least this is what most of us argue here, that the bonus was, in our opinion, promised to us) that in the end they did not receive. They therefore have the right to claim a refund or a compensation of some sort.
In my opinion again, the company should have warned the customers about the vanity bonus situation and protect them from spending their platinum. I guess they were busy bringing out Humania and forgot about it, but now many customers are disappointed.
I posted some ideas previously in this thread but I would like to see other suggestions as well. Another idea would be to give to all those people the 71 vanity after the release of the new campaign (lvl 76) even if they didn't reach lvl. 71 during the Humania cap period. Or, if they capped one toon, all their toons receive the vanity helm.
I think there will be no change with this vanity "problem" and this topic is waste of time. Well, my second character with only Mount Fang armor will be a little waste of time and platinum. Good luck everyone And don't worry be happy
I respect your opinion, but I don't see why STS should be obliged to divulge this information to anyone. Have you ever seen a game pre-launch being spoiled by their own creators? Have you attended a gaming convention like E3? I did...and I guarantee you ALL pertinent details within the game are never divulged until an actual demo has been released...even then, it's still just a demo and many things (some even important) are not divulged. So by virtue of common practice, STS is still within the bounds of gaming ethics. So please don't speak as if STS has breached some sort of gaming agreement or something.
Like I said, I don't really go too deep in my games, I just play them and give my reviews to friends. I don't try to "make" the game, especially, if it's non-subscription. I know this will sound a cliche but it's still "just a game", you play the game...then there are those who make the game...you give your reviews...based on your review, it's up to the developers to listen but you're not supposed to cross the line by telling them developers what to do...anyway, I've wasted enough time replying to this, I'll just go log back in and farm Humania.
Last edited by vampinoy; 06-23-2012 at 02:30 AM.
Ahh, remember the good old days when vanities were what the definition of the word said they were? I sure do, miss them too. Good times.
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Can somebody tell me where it says it would make a whole new set?
Last edited by TANKKAAR; 06-23-2012 at 06:29 PM.
Of course yes, they should give bonus. I only have the fang armor. If STS doesnt gives bonus, there are no point for lvl uping for the users that only have 66 armor.
I agree that the developers never promised that the new vanity helm would work with the old pieces, but it certainly was pushed to make it appear that way, with all the encouragement, sales, announcements, etc. to get people to buy platinum to grab the Fang Armour before it was too late.
ALSO, in addition, the Devs clearly were monitoring the threads on this board when people were complaining about a new helm making the COP useless, etc. They knew that players were under the clear impression/assumption that the new piece would work with the old pieces, and they did nothing about it, nor did they chime in to clarify, as people were paying money to grab the Fang armour in time.
I think the did a great job fixing all the bugs in the update, but this one aspect does remain fishy. If they did this kind of thing in other fields, like securities/share offerings, they would be enticing lawsuits over misrepresentations.
In response to the claim that there was never anything mentioned about a "new set" or that there was "no clear position taken by STS": I found this post by Samhayne that basically infers that a new set is upon us, and poetically describes how and why these things will happen:
Mothwing was not the first one to say but no less than Samhayne himself. If you read the paragraph carefully, you would deduce that the Crown of Persistence was inferred to as "old" when Samhayne used the phrase "cities rise and fall", he also said the same thing will happen to Nuri's Shield and Mt. Fang Armor...and inferred to as the new vanity helm (being the green helmet) as the new vanity. If you like poetry, like I do, you will know that when you use that popular catchphrase "cities rise and fall" it also connotes that whatever substance is bound within the "old city" is lost forever...within the memories of the people who witnessed it, in this case, the bonus stat of the old vanities will go down with it...that's the direct meaning of it. I don't think Samhayne used this catchphrase for no reason at all, he must have meant something without directly offending people, he was probably talking to our poetic minds and from the looks of it he overestimated us because his message apparently did not go seep in. I am sorry for the people who only have the Mt. Fang Armor, but the reality of having elite vanities is and was never primarily about the bonus (as you can analyze in this post by Samhayne, specifically when he used the term "recognize as old school...")...it's primarily about symbology and bonus secondary, if it was meant to cause power as primary reason, then it would be more prevalent like the Angel Set, but it's not. When Samhayne posted this, he was plainly referring to the "symbology of the elite cap vanity" and implies that being that it's a "symbol of old", it cannot mesh with the "symbol of new" including its culture (in this case the stat bonus). You must see this in this angle for you to move on, otherwise, you will keep on hating. STS is coming from a deeper point of view of the elite vanities (symbology), and if you argue based on something superficial (that of the bonus) then you will not be making a connection, you're coming from two totally different positions, in a debate, that's when you say the cliche "agree to disagree" because you will never come to an agreement. That's all. Hope you guys find your peace, and just play the game.
Last edited by vampinoy; 06-24-2012 at 12:54 AM.
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Ha, there was nothing "clear" about that response by the devs.
Cities rise and fall? Yes, replaced by other cities. I says nothing about abandoning entire continents and starting from scratch somewhere else. They did not say, that the new helm would not work wi previous pieces, or that the fang armour that they were pushing so hard would be essentially useless with future pieces.
Yeah, Id also say no, its part of a new vainity set, and there shouldnt be 2 helmets to match a set.
PS: The metaphors used are popularly used in many books, Samhayne chose to use them to show their position, he could have chosen what you're suggesting about continents, but it wouldn't change the core message which is the old one's time has ended...that is the message, don't look at the words literally, that's poetry. You'll be amazed how a single line in a poem can mean an entire essay my friend.
PSS: Like What I said, STS is coming from a deeper point of view, true they were pushing Mt. Fang armor but they never said anything about the "old" elite vanities having bonus when combined with the new. Their primary reason for pushing you so you could get the elite vanity as a symbol status. When they were pushing the Mt.Fang armor, they mentioned something about getting associated bonus, that's "if" you already have the Nuri's Shield or the CoP. Let me quote Samhayne: "So, to reiterate, if you want the Mt. Fang vanity armor reward for getting to level 66 and the associated set bonus that goes along with it and other elite cap vanity items, now would be the time to get it!". If you'll notice, he did not infer anything about the Mt. Fang Armor having bonus stat with new elite cap vanities, he said "associated bonus" which made this statement "open-ended" and not definitive. After a couple of days, Samhayne then posted his poetic position on the matter to make the previously "open-ended statement to a more definitive" but people seem to totally be oblivious of this, it's like Samhayne never said anything, some even went as far and said it was "never" addressed. So you see, it's "miscommunication" where someone spoke and nobody listened.
Last edited by vampinoy; 06-24-2012 at 02:41 AM.
Where does sam say 66 cap won't pair with 71?
YES YES YES! it was implied in SamHayne's post. That is what i thought and so did many others. If it wasnt "clear" then its really STS's fault for not making it clear. Why would they urge people to get the vanity as 'part of the set' when it really doesnt work with the next elite vanity? As also mentioned above, nobody said the l71 cap is part of a new set and will NOT work with MFA. I see it as intentional false advertising at best and downright robbery at worst.
But hey, PL is a great game and i will likely continue playing and capping. It just sucks they went from making great games to ugly profiteering. I hope they make it right for people who have the MFA. just sayin.
@ Walkhard - Please read my posts, if it's TLR that's too bad, my entire post centered around answering your question.
@ IshoootU - It was clear, please read my posts. People refuse to understand what the obvious is saying maybe they want to hear only what's favorable to them. I'm not flaming you, I'm actually neutral on the issue, I could care less whether there's a bonus or not, I'm only analyzing what's factual not hearsay. I can see a valid reason why there should not be a bonus, and it was foretold, nobody just cared to listen as what I already pointed out in my previous posts. Like Walkhard, it seems that you did not read my posts as it's TLR, again, that's too bad...because it contained the explanation I feel that can show you the other side of the coin.
PS: How can you accuse STS of robbing you if the game is free in the first place? All our purchases are only game enhancers...you're being too hard on STS. False Marketing maybe, but again, you cannot accuse them of not informing you of what's going to happen, I just provided a dev's post informing everyone of the upcoming new sets and its effects to the old elite vanities - you, along with many, just refused or did not bother to digest it. I'm sorry that's how I see it, it's clear as daylight, the devs had a definitive position before Humania was even released. It will just boil down to if you agree or disagree, now that, whatever your position I'd respect, but I'll be siding with STS since I'm playing their game for free.
Last edited by vampinoy; 06-24-2012 at 08:25 AM.
I love a lot of the new update, but this one issue still smells like a misleading cash grab. That's the impression that comes across for a lot of the long standing players.