Kriegberg Helix Disappointing

[sun light]

choose gems drops map, like red light ditrict-face off
and not weapons map.
and.. gl

[Qingsanale1st]

all I know to keep it short and sweet, axes are awesome...i want to keep using them for new levels...and I want to show them off and not collect dust.

crits FTW!

[Cahaun]

I'll take a look at the Helix and see if it's appropriate to make an adjustment. The intent was to put it high in terms of general PvE but to not be better than Platinum purchased items. This is our general philosophy on weapons in the game, Gems however are the other way round with the best gems being farmed in 3D content.

Thanks. It's nice to hear that it's being reviewed.

Edit: Maybe in the later caps, the vanity items "Power up" the weapon like Kriegberg power suit or something because he looks like a high tech hunter with generators where you fight him

[Snakespeare]

I don't use Damage to gauge a weapon. I use DPS.

Guillotine: 45 dam / 43 DPS
Mincers: 32 dam/ 50.8 DPS
Razor Barbs: 37 dam / 59.2 DPS

All of these add a LOT of health, even Mincers is kind of a Haleness weap.

Kriegberg Helix (lvl 26) stats
38 damage, 60.8 dps, 38 attack
10 defense, 10 health

So, not counting Health, it's about the same as Razor Barbs.

But Health is important, so I'll stick with my Razor Barbs. Maybe get some Icy Talons.

[Mrsberry]

I'll take a look at the Helix and see if it's appropriate to make an adjustment. The intent was to put it high in terms of general PvE but to not be better than Platinum purchased items. This is our general philosophy on weapons in the game, Gems however are the other way round with the best gems being farmed in 3D content.

Thanks Carapace
No one expects them to be the best weapon in game but atm most pink dropped weapons have better stats then the helix.
Maybe like ghost said you could some how make them a vanity weapon? I want to show these bad ars weapons off when im a lvl 60.

[Flowman]

What do you guys expect? to get a weapon better than the most expensive weapon in the plat store for free? i don't think so :P

you must have no played PL...

[Growwle]

The epic plat weapons have the best stats for their level hands down. Sometimes they can cost a fortune in plat to get, other times not. The only reason to grind gear in DL is purely for esthetics, or if you can't afford plat.

why hands down? i agree that some plat weapons is better but not for all players.
for example..
ice talons vs viper twins att varsion.
for my stats,
if ill change to ice talons, ill get more 20 def.
and lose 7 att, 26 health and 1 dmg.
is that worth it? idk..
viper twins vs fire weapon,
if ill change to fire, ill get 13 att and 3 def
and less 40 health.
is that worth? u tell me.
if they do? so its not a big deal!
cos after all.. 15 att is worth 50 health on stats points. so hoe much u earn here? 3 def is why u said "hands down"?
3 def points wont save u in pvp.
so after all? the best player will win. no matter if he has plat wepon of viper twins.
i said viper twins cos its the only weapon that close to plat.

I meant in terms of overall stats compared to other weapons of similar type / level (this was verified by Carapace by the way).

[Flippys]

I'll take a look at the Helix and see if it's appropriate to make an adjustment. The intent was to put it high in terms of general PvE but to not be better than Platinum purchased items. This is our general philosophy on weapons in the game, Gems however are the other way round with the best gems being farmed in 3D content.

I really see no reason why the Helix would need an adjustment.

Right now basic items are better than the helixes. We aren't asking for them to be better than the most expensive weapons in the store and the helixes aren't free... they were earned.

Earned? How so? By logging in a few times a day, setting timers, collecting rewards, then logging out? So by never having to run a 3D mission, basically doing noting but logging in and out, it's earned? I consider it a freebie.

Thanks Carapace
No one expects them to be the best weapon in game but atm most pink dropped weapons have better stats then the helix.

As well as they should. You have to work to get a pink drop. Killing mobs, killing ghosts, killing bosses. Doing countless numbers of runs through 3D missions to Earn a pink.


I think that the Helix is just fine the way it is. It's a free weapon, be grateful.

[Elysse]

What would be cool is if you could "sacrifice" a weapon in your inventory, and the Helix would adopt the stats of that weapon. Then, no complaining from anybody.

[Lady_Pebbles]

@Flippys: Yes EARNED. We logged on and either did the missions alone or did what I did, go on runs -and- collected mission. Either way, we EARNED them.

DL isn't a grinding game unless you choose to it to be for yourself. Don't ask the rest of us to follow your methods when they don't suit everyone's needs when it comes to gaining exp.

[Qingsanale1st]

Thanks Carapace
No one expects them to be the best weapon in game but atm most pink dropped weapons have better stats then the helix.
Maybe like ghost said you could some how make them a vanity weapon? I want to show these bad ars weapons off when im a lvl 60.

the Helix's attack power works for me.

[HunterSLAYER]

the Helix's attack power works for me.

It sucks in pvp,really.
Cussed so much when I was using the axes.

Sent from the UCS Blackstar Infested deck!

[Qingsanale1st]

It sucks in pvp,really.
Cussed so much when I was using the axes.

Sent from the UCS Blackstar Infested deck!

I would say you were probably only distracted by it's shinyness and all.
Compared to the plat weaps? Pssh!!!

[YuNoEatBeaRs]

I really see no reason why the Helix would need an adjustment.

Helix has overall worse stats than lvl25 weapons you find as drops from missions, and it's a lvl26 weapon.

Earned? How so? By logging in a few times a day, setting timers, collecting rewards, then logging out? So by never having to run a 3D mission, basically doing noting but logging in and out, it's earned? I consider it a freebie.

Many of us done "countless numbers of runs through 3D missions" for 2-3 days alongside allies missions just to get helix, i farmed at least 10+ razor barbs (pinks) on my way to 26, how's a weapon that is 10 times harder to get weaker?

Now i don't care if helix gets buffed or not, but yeah i was very disappointed at the stats when i got the weapon and was expecting more, i would've liked it if they gave it the same stats as 25 weapon pink drops, and gave u the choice between atk/def/hp versions of it.

Oh and btw, i hate ppl with the "it's free, be grateful" attitude, we're not some freakin' beggars, many of us spent money on this game, even those who haven't, as players that contribute to this game and keeps it running one way or another we have the right to complain if something is wrong/we don't like, it's called "feedback", so if u have nothing positive to contribute, not to just this thread, then please don't.

[HunterSLAYER]

Helix has overall worse stats than lvl25 weapons you find as drops from missions, and it's a lvl26 weapon.



Many of us done "countless numbers of runs through 3D missions" for 2-3 days alongside allies missions just to get helix, i farmed at least 10+ razor barbs (pinks) on my way to 26, how's a weapon that is 10 times harder to get weaker?

Now i don't care if helix gets buffed or not, but yeah i was very disappointed at the stats when i got the weapon and was expecting more, i would've liked it if they gave it the same stats as 25 weapon pink drops, and gave u the choice between atk/def/hp versions of it.

Oh and btw, i hate ppl with the "it's free, be grateful" attitude, we're not some freakin' beggars, many of us spent money on this game, even those who haven't, as players that contribute to this game and keeps it running one way or another we have the right to complain if something is wrong/we don't like, it's called "feedback", so if u have nothing positive to contribute, not to just this thread, then please don't.

Finally someone who gets the op's point.

Sent from the UCS Blackstar Infested deck!

[Flippys]

@Flippys: Yes EARNED. We logged on and either did the missions alone or did what I did, go on runs -and- collected mission. Either way, we EARNED them.
Agreed, you did log on everyday, to collect rewards and set timers, just as I did. We 'Earned' the level cap.

DL isn't a grinding game unless you choose to it to be for yourself. Don't ask the rest of us to follow your methods when they don't suit everyone's needs when it comes to gaining exp.
And I do not believe I mentioned which method I used to 'Earn' level cap nor did I ask anyone to do anything different than what they have been doing. But I would presume I did it like the majority of the people, 75-95% of the XP being gained from Allies.

Helix has overall worse stats than lvl25 weapons you find as drops from missions, and it's a lvl26 weapon.
The Helix stats are better than many weapons that you would find as a drop from a 3D mission. Since the Helix is an Attack based weapon, I will compare it to other Attack based weapons.

lvl26 Helix 38/38/10/10 (Damage/Attack/Defense/Health)
lvl25 Onset 37/33/8/15
lvl25 Onset 36/33/9/20
The level 25 dual wielding weapons have either or of the above stats.

Lets check your argument with the level 26 weapons given by a 24h timer from your Allies
lvl26 Helix 38/38/10/10 (Damage/Attack/Defense/Health)
Viper Twin 40/18/9/105
Elegant D. 39/18/9/115
Kata Blade 37/16/12/105
Hook/Maul 37/13/9/125
Hamm/Sick 35/13/12/120
Mace/Dagg 37/10/6/158
Brut Blades 36/16/9/115
Mincers 33/18/14/125


Many of us done "countless numbers of runs through 3D missions" for 2-3 days alongside allies missions just to get helix, i farmed at least 10+ razor barbs (pinks) on my way to 26, how's a weapon that is 10 times harder to get weaker?
As did I, except it was the Moonstone of Haleness, mainly cause I still need the execution associated with that map.

Now i don't care if helix gets buffed or not, but yeah i was very disappointed at the stats when i got the weapon and was expecting more, i would've liked it if they gave it the same stats as 25 weapon pink drops, and gave u the choice between atk/def/hp versions of it.
Now that would have been a nice option, to be able to choose which version to receive.

Oh and btw, i hate ppl with the "it's free, be grateful" attitude, we're not some freakin' beggars, many of us spent money on this game,
As have I. I'm guessing that I have purchased more plat than the average user. I don't mind divulging this, but I've supported DL with $250 for 2,500 plat. Yes, purchased before STS decided to change the cost of items.

even those who haven't, as players that contribute to this game and keeps it running one way or another we have the right to complain if something is wrong/we don't like, it's called "feedback",
So me stating that the Helix is fine the way it is is not considered feedback?

so if u have nothing positive to contribute, not to just this thread, then please don't.
I left my feedback, whether you find it positive or not, it is still feedback for the developers.

Finally someone who gets the op's point.

I fully get the OP's point. I just don't fully agree with the OP's point.
And my argument is this, why should it be just as powerful as a plat weapon?
I paid alot for my level 26 Firebrand 40/31/12/40 (Helix 38/38/10/10)(Damage/Attack/Defense/Health)

I keep hearing: 'but the level cap reward in PL is a more powerful item, it does this and gave you stats here VS the level cap reward in DL is junk compared to equivalent leveled items', 'we earned this DL level cap so why aren't our level cap rewards on par with what PL gets for level cap rewards.'

People keep throwing out the word 'Earned'. I conceded earlier that we all 'earned' level cap in DL, but does it compare to 'Earning' level cap in PL?

No it doesn't.
And that is my argument as to why the Helix does not need to be readjusted. Anyone can achieve level cap in DL with minimal effort, so the reward should be minimal as well. It takes much more effort and playing time to achieve level cap in PL.


Now, I would like to add this proposal to STS. Instead of giving level cap rewards, do a kill count reward. Reward those that are playing the game VS those that just logs on for 5 mins at a time 5 times a day. The kill count would have to encompass all the kills, pve & pvp. Then whoever receives these rewards, will know that they have earned it, much like the achievement awards.

[Jblazer]

Kriegberg Helix is the reward for achieving elite lvl 26.
While lvl 26 is elite the reward for taking your time to get there is not.
Kriegberg Helix is very pretty but stats are very disappointing. I wear them in town because of looks but other then that there pretty useless. My lvl 21 firebrands stats arent much different from this lvl 26 weapon.

Kriegberg Helix (lvl 26) stats
38 damage, 60.8 dps, 38 attack
10 defense, 10 health

Firebrand (lvl 21) stats
35 damage, 55.8 dps, 26 attack
11 defense, 30 health

I dont expect the Helix lvl cap reward to have crazy stats better then any weapon in game but at least equal too a lvl 26 fire brand or close to it.
It takes 10x the xp and time too achieve this prize would be nice if it were just a tad bit more rewarding.

Yeah it needs better stats.

[Survivorfan]

I gotta get to 26! lol

[Growwle]

Got my own helix a couple days ago, I like them, and they freeze enemies. They had better stats than any of my level 25 weapons.

[bronislav84]

I like them now. Hope it doesn't poof with next cap.