Feedback: Achievements II (Standard)

[Analytical]

U guys seriously other than using the "dummy account" as reasons there's no better counter argument?

So sick of this.

Dummy you say?

Let's see if there's anyone who's got so much time to dummy this multiple times:
Make mentoring be a long quest, for example only grant aps when you have helped someone leveled up 10-15 levels, for example from level 65 to 81 (only eligible for aps if mentoring starts from level 60-65)

Reward this with 1000 aps at the end.

Similar to glintstone set crafting aps, this would take a while. And make dummy levels farming much much harder and costly both in terms of time and gold spent.

Alternatively/Additionally, we can set the case where mentoring can only be done to players whose accounts are at least 1-3 months old.

All that said, am I saying players can't dummy farm now? Of course not. Nothing sts come up with can't be dummy account farmed. Tired of seeing this as a pathetic excuse not to encourage the culture of helping.

Instead of using this as the almighty one size fits all excuse against levels mentoring, why not propose other possible aps that promotes helping others if this is so "not it" for you guys?

[Nocturnus]

U guys seriously other than using the "dummy account" as reasons there's no better counter argument?

So sick of this.

Dummy you say?

Let's see if there's anyone who's got so much time to dummy this multiple times:
Make mentoring be a long quest, for example only grant aps when you have helped someone leveled up 10-15 levels, for example from level 65 to 81 (only eligible for aps if mentoring starts from level 60-65)

Reward this with 1000 aps at the end.

Similar to glintstone set crafting aps, this would take a while. And make dummy levels farming much much harder and costly both in terms of time and gold spent.

Further we can set the case where mentoring can only be done to players whose accounts are at least 1-3 months old.

All that said, am I saying players can't dummy farm now? Of course not. Nothing sts come up with can't be dummy account farmed. Tired of seeing this as a pathetic excuse not to encourage the culture of helping.

Instead of using this as the almighty one size fits all excuse against levels mentoring, why not propose other possible aps that promotes helping others if this is so "not it" for you guys?

The way Assomer put it, it's the first problem you'll have.
I have 2 devices, most players have more than 2 devices, it's not uncommon. You can easily create 2 accounts and pretend to help another account. Easily manipulated.
On the other hand, why force us to do it? I help friends when I can and when they need it.
Forcing ourselves or forcing people to receive help will not be pleasant at all for anyone, nor will it be challenging.
There is also not as many people, as it seems, willing to receive help, only at the beginning of the sessions, this is more a merit of the guilds.

[Analytical]

The way Assomer put it, it's the first problem you'll have.
I have 2 devices, most players have more than 2 devices, it's not uncommon. You can easily create 2 accounts and pretend to help another account. Easily manipulated.
On the other hand, why force us to do it? I help friends when I can and when they need it.
Forcing ourselves or forcing people to receive help will not be pleasant at all for anyone, nor will it be challenging.
There is also not as many people, as it seems, willing to receive help, only at the beginning of the sessions, this is more a merit of the guilds.

Apply this same statement to all other useless APS you guys have done. Why forced yourself to do it just for the points?

Not a single achievement point is a must, so no one is forcing you guys to do it in the first place. But guess what, you guys still decide to do it to compete with one another or for whatever reasons.

If the useless aps (the 10,000 pvp kills) existed and you guys have been okay with doing it for so long, why not for the helping aspect? Just Imagine if they started off with making this "helping 100 people" instead of this pointless "10,000 kills". You guys would have done it either way. We don't need a genius to tell us which leaves more positive impact for the game while taking into consideration of the futile dummy farm arguement.

[Nocturnus]

Apply this same statement to all other useless APS you guys have done. Why forced yourself to do it just for the points?

Not a single achievement point is a must, so no one is forcing you guys to do it in the first place. But guess what, you guys still decide to do it to compete with one another or for whatever reasons.

If the useless aps (the 10,000 pvp kills) existed and you guys have been okay with doing it for so long, why not for the helping aspect? Just Imagine if they started off with making this "helping 100 people" instead of this pointless "10,000 kills". You guys would have done it either way. We don't need a genius to tell us which leaves more positive impact for the game while taking into consideration of the futile dummy farm arguement.

I already have all the pvp aps done, I didn't enjoy making them one bit and yet I have asked countless times, even here, to remove or modify them. Because we are aware of how most people farm it.
Enjoy making most of the current aps and the aps proposed in this post look nice.
Because I can make them by myself.
As I already stated in one of the points of my previous comment. And you seem to be deliberately ignoring all the points.
It's not an app that depends only on me, I have to wait for a player to join the game or decide to create a new character, after he needs help, etc. I MUST FORCE THE PLAYER TO GET MY HELP, or sit on a city or map and harass people, or pay them, etc. Do you see the point?
And of course I'm going to be forced to do it if I want to compete for an LB.
At this point any comment from someone who has not thought of or never made an aps is useless.
Most of the aps can be done on your own, only a few are the subject of a fictitious farm and this is one of them if it is implemented in the proposed way.
I just watch a lot of drama.