Bear is insanely OP at current endgame.

[Elyseon]

My post wasn't meant to complaing about me not winning.
It was meant to complain about imbalanced classes.
I would've personally made a "MAGES IS OP" thread during Fang, if others had not.
I agree, bears need more than 100% Hit, it is VITAL to PvE.
They need all that dodge, regen, and armor.

But that is in PvE.
In PvP, that is what makes them OP.

Best possible solution IMO is to just nerf stats to a lower extent in PvP.
Make it like Sewer cap again, when classes could go whatever build they wanted with the sewer oranges/greens/purples/pinks.
My mage went Scraper's (Dodge Staff Mage) for most of Sewers anyways.

hmm i tried abit more and it seems mages are just dumb, when they let me pin them on the wall and dont heal off debuff, thats their fault, also angelic sets are really annoying, its taken me up to 10 tries to get beckon to hit a mage in one fight O.o
also ive had mages land 200+ dmg on me with out debuffing my dodge and not just like a one time thing like the 10 dodges thing
i lol'd calling them dodge mage, they respond no, im pure int, later i see them in towne, pure int with 24 dodge and no vanity bonus
i know that was kinda off topic and the crafted set doesnt have as ridiculous dodge

[Elyseon]

We got more dodge? My dodge unbuffed is 10. That's less than most bears and mages at endgame. Plus, I'm using penguin face AND +2 dodge ring, which I wasn't using during fang cap.

most crafted 71 birds ive seen have 55-60 dodge buffed

[Elitephonix]

I thought you guys were just complaining that the bears now suck? >_>

[Phoenixking]

I thought you guys were just complaining that the bears now suck? >_>

Majority of mages complaining that bears are tough, I think bears are ok, birds need help though In my opinion

[legendfb]

Interesting!!!!!!!
I knew this gonna happen, mages r shouting bears are op. its acctually birds always shout mages are op..and bears think birds are op when they face some good birds at pvp...sts lauging behind the scene....

Bears have solid dodge unfortunately mages hit percentage is not as high as an eagle EYE archer and specifically loooooow dodge debuff something like 15% woha...lol....a nuker mage will give up after few shots and a good kite mage will feel pain in her deadliest weapon finger and finally joy of killing " the monster" ....

[Dynastu]

Interesting!!!!!!!
I knew this gonna happen, mages r shouting bears are op. its acctually birds always shout mages are op..and bears think birds are op when they face some good birds at pvp...sts lauging behind the scene....

Bears have solid dodge unfortunately mages hit percentage is not as high as an eagle EYE archer and specifically loooooow dodge debuff something like 15% woha...lol....a nuker mage will give up after few shots and a good kite mage will feel pain in her deadliest weapon finger and finally joy of killing " the monster" ....

I wasn't aware that bears ever complain about birds being OP lol.

[Fncrazy]

I wasn't aware that bears ever complain about birds being OP lol.

Yes pro birds are tough for bears to beat.

[Dynastu]

and bears think birds are op when they face some good birds at pvp...

By saying that, isn't it kind of saying that birds and bears are even, lol.

So, pro birds beat an average bear. Would you say a pro bear beats an average bird? Then, what about an average bird vs an average bear?

If you had said that an average bird easily beats an average bear (which I do not believe to be true), that would actually mean that birds are the more powerful class. But by saying that a pro bird can beat an average bear doesn't prove anything.

[WhoIsThis]

@Elf, how would you feel if a PRNG was implemented instead of the current RNG? Less luck, but it's still possible for crazy dodge streaks.

Pseudorandom - I'd still prefer that dodge got nerfed and that armor and/or hp regen got the buff. In the case of mages, perhaps attack and spell power rather than armor should be buffed. Same thing with birds.

So why did you mention bird before?

56, 61, and 66 used to be the endgame.

[Chickenrunnn]

Oh godness.. I've just got hit 531 by a drain of a Mage with full crafted set.. --> headshot :-(

Without Cop bonus, birds are really really bad.. Please do something about it .. Lower bear dodge or armor or damage and lower damage for serial killers which are Mages lol._... or if u don't do anything about skills of Mage n bears, please make RESTORE of birds working back ! or do the same for mages! Enable them to heal while working as u did with bears and birds!

._. Cya lol

[Whirlzap]

Give birds more resistance to pulls/knockbacks.
Make their Blast Shot and Repulse have 100% Accuracy, so it cannot be dodged.

[Phoenixking]

Pseudorandom - I'd still prefer that dodge got nerfed and that armor and/or hp regen got the buff. In the case of mages, perhaps attack and spell power rather than armor should be buffed. Same thing with birds.



56, 61, and 66 used to be the endgame.

And so was 50 and 45 and 40 and 35 and 30 and 25 oh gawd

[Deuvevax]

Wait. So are you confessing that Pally is a good decision for mages this cap? I'm testing some things and it seems it could be the superior option.


~Deu

[Elyseon]

By saying that, isn't it kind of saying that birds and bears are even, lol.

So, pro birds beat an average bear. Would you say a pro bear beats an average bird? Then, what about an average bird vs an average bear?

If you had said that an average bird easily beats an average bear (which I do not believe to be true), that would actually mean that birds are the more powerful class. But by saying that a pro bird can beat an average bear doesn't prove anything.

yeh um i fought crafted bird killed it with my humanian set, but then some birds ive fought are like crazy fast at killing me usually as long as they dodge the beckon
on the other hand a sucessful beckon first try is almost always an instant death for a bird

[Elyseon]

I thought you guys were just complaining that the bears now suck? >_>

i did say this but for me at least, it was vsing the angelic mages which i still think are quite annoying

[OvigorothO]

birds were OP during 50-56.
And birds are still pretty good right now if you're able to find a balanced fight.[/QUOTE]
Im sure most people would agree that there was no dominant class at 50-56, only dominant players which mostly happened to be birds.

EDIT: lol...fail quoted whirlzap.

[MightyMicah]

Haven't read the comments yet. I'd have to say I completely disagree with the purpose of this thread. Bears are mildy OP. they simply can finally beat mages 10-3 like they should be able to. Mages have been beating birds 10-3 like they're supposed to. birds have been beating bears 10-3 like they're supposed to. The only thing that happened at this cap, is bears regained their status with their ability to own mages and then a little bit more so that they can even beat birds more than usual. There is nothing wrong with this. No level is ever completely balanced. This one just so happens to be in favor of bears. I, for one, am glad.

Oh and I'm a bird by the way so I get the short end of the stick and am still glad

[OvigorothO]

Give birds more resistance to pulls/knockbacks.
Make their Blast Shot and Repulse have 100% Accuracy, so it cannot be dodged.

What would that solve? You would have birds repulsing always just to run away.

[OvigorothO]

And so was 50 and 45 and 40 and 35 and 30 and 25 oh gawd

If im not mistaken 21 also was?

[legendfb]

By saying that, isn't it kind of saying that birds and bears are even, lol.

So, pro birds beat an average bear. Would you say a pro bear beats an average bird? Then, what about an average bird vs an average bear?

If you had said that an average bird easily beats an average bear (which I do not believe to be true), that would actually mean that birds are the more powerful class. But by saying that a pro bird can beat an average bear doesn't prove anything.

A bear (very new to pvp kdr something like 20 kills 60 deaths) was saying bears always win against birds and his opponent bird nearly. same kdr was agreed with him...I did not say anything but like lolol....

Umm pro bird... meant good birds who acctually know how to use his powers.. somtime its feel like birds skills r build to fight bears. lol ...two roots strong dodge debuff. blind to weaken his already weak vision (lol) 32 armor debuff makes his fat body exposed..umm the monster can't even touch me my repulse or mega repulse makes his feet slide...'...........ahhhh I never miss my hits, I'm invincible' (not me lol)