@Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)

[Angelaxd]

we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's so that they say that if we serve (which is not real, because we are the only class that is not essential in a race, and if we go we are only the sweepers of the map, and if you complain there will be the "youtuber" called EnCRYption showing off and saying that it's not bad, just because I win a top "temple" or because it has a lot of money to be very strong as a team, no, I understand the reason , but STS always relies on this guy's clout to get things done, like it did when they nerfed the rogue at the beginning of the expansion, those who haven't played the "rogue" class for years should shut up and let STS lend pay attention to what we speak with experience, because those people who are always speaking out against rogues have never been around for YEARS that's why we never get any "Revamp" of any skill or "ultimate"

[Synergia]

we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's so that they say that if we serve (which is not real, because we are the only class that is not essential in a race, and if we go we are only the sweepers of the map, and if you complain there will be the "youtuber" called EnCRYption showing off and saying that it's not bad, just because I win a top "temple" or because it has a lot of money to be very strong as a team, no, I understand the reason , but STS always relies on this guy's clout to get things done, like it did when they nerfed the rogue at the beginning of the expansion, those who haven't played the "rogue" class for years should shut up and let STS lend pay attention to what we speak with experience, because those people who are always speaking out against rogues have never been around for YEARS that's why we never get any "Revamp" of any skill or "ultimate"

Perfectly said.

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we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's

You do realize that rogs have done this to warrior and mage for years right? 1 war in the past will have millions of pts in evg as all of the others have 100-300k you guys chose to compare that 1 warrior who is maxed out to the top to your 1.5k dex rogues. Its so weird all of these rogs with 1.5k dex keep coming to this forum to complain that their class is weak when its really not, rog does need a better defense skill but when it comes to damage I don't see a mage or warrior hitting 1 aim for 23mil dmg.
And you just contradicted your self in your own post here by saying "they always compare us to the top rogue" well um each class has to be end game before they can have the ability to know if the class is op or not and 1.5k dex is not end game, try 2.6k+ dex and have strategy don't go in spamming skills at everything.

I didn't do team lb on swamp temple with a rog, only solo and I managed to get to wave 109 with a basic low stat rogue because I know how to play with strategy not spamming skills hoping everything dies. Btw I didn't get rog nerfed when this expansion came out, I was playing as the rog class for how op it was when compared to a mage / war. You are completely off the rails with the amount of incorrect info you have.

I remember everything, remember this thread ? You were banned on multiple accounts for player harassment also read what I said a few posts down. "They always compare the top 1 war". Its also funny that when mages and warriors have a prob with their class you rogues decide to harass the hell out of us by cursing us out. It just proves you have no logical input to give as to why you disagree. When you rogs have a problem with the class people who play with all 3 classes or even 2 classes efficiently will come on your threads and politely try to discuss points but no you rogs just throw insults left and right with no logical or valid points.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...ighlight=Glint

[Synergia]

You do realize that rogs have done this to warrior and mage for years right? 1 war in the past will have millions of pts in evg as all of the others have 100-300k you guys chose to compare that 1 warrior who is maxed out to the top to your 1.5k dex rogues. Its so weird all of these rogs with 1.5k dex keep coming to this forum to complain that their class is weak when its really not, rog does need a better defense skill but when it comes to damage I don't see a mage or warrior hitting 1 aim for 23mil dmg.
And you just contradicted your self in your own post here by saying "they always compare us to the top rogue" well um each class has to be end game before they can have the ability to know if the class is op or not and 1.5k dex is not end game, try 2.6k+ dex and have strategy don't go in spamming skills at everything.

I didn't do team lb on swamp temple with a rog, only solo and I managed to get to wave 109 with a basic low stat rogue because I know how to play with strategy not spamming skills hoping everything dies. Btw I didn't get rog nerfed when this expansion came out, I was playing as the rog class for how op it was when compared to a mage / war. You are completely off the rails with the amount of incorrect info you have.

I remember everything, remember this thread ? You were banned on multiple accounts for player harassment also read what I said a few posts down. "They always compare the top 1 war". Its also funny that when mages and warriors have a prob with their class you rogues decide to harass the hell out of us by cursing us out. It just proves you have no logical input to give as to why you disagree.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...ighlight=Glint

There we go, let's open the grudges that you and other mages / wasr are holding towards rogues for being OP like 4 years ago.
Always the most childish people, are the ones whos best arguement is "You were OP 4 years ago, now stay behind you deserve it"
Also I used 2.470 DEX set and I am telling you any war with myth set does the boss killing x5 faster and any mage with myth set can kill mobs faster. Sorry that you dont want to listen but this is facts, run elite sunken fleet with ur rogue and show us how you handle it better than mages / wars in ur party mr war main

Also, if rogues are so good as you claim mr war main, tell me then, what class is the worst by your opinion?

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There we go, let's open the grudges that you and other mages / wasr are holding towards rogues for being OP like 4 years ago.
Always the most childish people, are the ones whos best arguement is "You were OP 4 years ago, now stay behind you deserve it"

Also, if rogues are so good as you claim mr war main, tell me then, what class is the worst by your opinion?

Not asking to nerf rogs, we are telling you guys that your class is more than what you think it is. Pretty sure wars and mages wouldn't care if rogs were op IF they didn't sit in maps doing 4 rog pts all day and if a war was to join that war would get cursed out to leave and ignore listed just for existing yrs ago.
The worst class is Warrior. Warrior shouldn't be the boss nuker even if it was it does a bad job at it because you really have to have your stuff setup correctly in order to get the job done and most of the time things go wrong. We are useless vs mini bosses because by the time we get our aegis to proc the rog or mage has already killed the boss. Us vs groups of mobs... I have proc comboed every thing I can currently proc combo in order to try and be more efficient with mob clear and I am useless when it comes to clearing mobs. Can proc a dragon sword switch to terror blade pull all of the mobs in proc night mare aegis + dozer axe to stun all of the mobs at your feet for up to 7 seconds, but that doesn't kill them.
I play warrior right now only because of my aps, I have been focusing on getting aps, I have 52k atm. If I wasn't playing for aps then I would be on my mage rn as its the #1 class. Rogue is in the middle half mob clear half boss killer.
Will run rog on temple lb possibly, for warrior idk, for mage no.

[Synergia]

Not asking to nerf rogs, we are telling you guys that your class is more than what you think it is. Pretty sure wars and mages wouldn't care if rogs were op IF they didn't sit in maps doing 4 rog pts all day and if a war was to join that war would get cursed out to leave and ignore listed just for existing yrs ago.
The worst class is Warrior. Warrior shouldn't be the boss nuker even if it was it does a bad job at it because you really have to have your stuff setup correctly in order to get the job done and most of the time things go wrong. We are useless vs mini bosses because by the time we get our aegis to proc the rog or mage has already killed the boss. Us vs groups of mobs... I have proc comboed every thing I can currently proc combo in order to try and be more efficient with mob clear and I am useless when it comes to clearing mobs. Can proc a dragon sword switch to terror blade pull all of the mobs in proc night mare aegis + dozer axe to stun all of the mobs at your feet for up to 7 seconds, but that doesn't kill them.
I play warrior right now only because of my aps, I have been focusing on getting aps, I have 52k atm. If I wasn't playing for aps then I would be on my mage rn as its the #1 class. Rogue is in the middle half mob clear half boss killer.
Will run rog on temple lb possibly, for warrior idk, for mage no.

Look at the video I added, do you really think that 3 rogues can kill that boss at the same time? Also with no ult?

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Look at the video I added, do you really think that 3 rogues can kill that boss at the same time? Also with no ult?

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

[Odewao]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

lol bro thinks it's easy to proc

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[Deathlyreaper]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

I basically use the same build as you, and i’m pretty sure the pierce,aim,razor, nox combo is what the majority of other rogue players use. It’s not a game changer.

Timing the Pisces+Sunken combo is much harder than an aquaris+ebon vest. I don’t know how often you play rogue but sunken can barely proc from nox and razor especially on a boss alone, not to mention that you have to continually use charged basic attacks to proc pisces. All mages have to do is use their DOT skills to proc both aquaris and ebon vest, switch to smuggler gun loadout and it’s gg especially bc ebon gives haste. Also, their aquaris+ebon vest probably proced at the exact same time allowing them to switch right away. As for rogue, if you’re lucky to proc your pisces+sunken (they probably procced 1-2s after each other AND you have to use bends), when you swap to bounty hunter you’re relying on skills that have no haste and you have already lost some time.

Its a no brainer that rogues are inferior. And to top it off, mages can EASILY repeat their combos during mob clearing because of how easy it is to proc together. Mages clear mobs very quickly and RELIABLY and can also do the same for boss. Rogues just can’t compete with that because there’s too much luck involved in their combos.


As for your other comments about clearing the boss in the vid in 7-15s, I can do that too but it’s hard to do it CONSISTENTLY. The way mages are set up right now is that they can do these op damage far more consistently than rogues.

I don’t know if you do any gold farming, but try it with mages that have the same int as your dex and see if you do the same damage/kills in your party as any other mages. Because I’ve tried gold farming, and its far more efficient to get another mage than a rogue.


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[Synergia]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

You are either a liar or just delusional.
Show me a video of 3 rogues do that in a similar period of time with no ult, I dare you.

[Sulphurea]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

Then wait for a blood moon on the 17 of the eldrian father day of the month, put your golden fairy glowes and with your bow cross the heart of a white deer grew up in the dark forest, well then, THEN you will see how op we are

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