Every ELITE Vanity Items should be SAME.

[Livemau]

can someone quote the dev that said this

[Whirlzap]

Its not selfish, its customers feeling cheated and misled.

Imagine if Apple released a new Iphone every year (i know, it's a stretch to imagine that LOL). Each one has new features, and generates lot of revenue. A new Iphone is announced for November. Tons of people buy shares, discuss what features it might have, hold off on buying other phones, develop accessories, etc. etc. People spend money and time and everything else on the expectation of the new phone and what it does, etc. Apple sits back and does NOTHING. It just sits and soaks up the money from share purchases, etc. In fact, it starts to promote the new phone and its company shares HARD. It makes a ton of money leading up to it.

And then it releases a new phone, but wait. It's not a phone. it's just decorative. No function at all. Too bad. They never said it actually worked. However based on every other phone in the past, people are misled. Too bad suckers.

This would be an automatic lawsuit.

All we get here is STS saying there are no more bonuses, yes, but they have not addressed how their paying customers were misled and feel cheated.

This is a game. Not stock-markets.

Apple is held by legal laws to not do get away with anything like that, yes, and that would be a lawsuit.
But this is the compatibility we are talking about.
This is different.

When STS placed MFA as the cap vanity, what you were guaranteed and fully received was the vanity itself.
The vanity isn't missing functions, it's still fully 100% completed.
You can complain about how bad it looks if you want, since that's what you paid your money for.

But you never paid your money for a bonus.
It was not said and you assume anything.

[Livemau]

Very bad thinking for a lot of players then.

I'm not sure what exactly is wrong here.

The weather yesterday was sunny.
The weather the day before yesterday was sunny.
The weather three days ago was sunny.

My friend assumed it would be sunny again and we planned to go to the beach.
The weatherman said, "Oh wow so many sunny days, we should be looking forward to a lot more!"
It was rainy today.

How can you be gullible enough to believe that it will always be sunny, just because this event takes place in sunny hot Arizona and it's been sunny for three days straight?

Unless the God of Weather popped out and said it, there is NOTHING you can hold against this.
Nothing you can hold against STS.

When STS advertised the MFA, they only advertised the armor.
They said NOTHING about the bonus.
Only the armor.
You can even check Patch Notes if you don't believe me.
It is your own fault for assuming things.

And as I said in my earlier post.
If you expected a 2-Piece Bonus from MFA and Monarch, then we should expect a 4-piece bonus.
Unfortunately, two helms cannot be worn at the same time.

i say mfa and monarch dont give bonus but the next vanity shield that comes should give a bonus OR we can eliminate set bonuses on everything but dragon so everyone has a fair chance at a bonus

[Whirlzap]

Lol I can see why Dragon prices are rising now.
It's because STS killed future vanity bonuses and now only Dragon competes against Elites.

[Chopper]

i say mfa and monarch dont give bonus but the next vanity shield that comes should give a bonus OR we can eliminate set bonuses on everything but dragon so everyone has a fair chance at a bonus

a reasonable proposal. IF STS wants to go another way, then delete all elite bonus. Then, according to Whirl, people with the COP and Nuri shield can be comforted in the fact that they shouldn't have assumed that their bonus would remain.

Again, it's the fact that STS did not clarify the situation or address the obvious misleading thought at the time and in fact, promoted the MFA HARD! Yes, they did not promise a bonus, but they let people spend money and time on something they knew was wrong and just soaked up the money instead of doing anything about it. I think the other poster seems to have missed that very important point.

[Whirlzap]

Then you shouldn't be arguing.
Elite vanities were originally made for looks, not stats.
I'm afraid everyone has simply forgotten about that.

[Chopper]

Then you shouldn't be arguing.
Elite vanities were originally made for looks, not stats.
I'm afraid everyone has simply forgotten about that.

fine, then take away all bonuses for Elite, even the old ones and even it out. Just for looks.

[Gnomecide]

Crymoarplawx? I earned my set bonus through money and time. You all had the same chance to get your CoP/SoH/MFA. Don't be complaining now because you were too "lazy" or whatever excuse you had to not reach a cap. Simple solution, make the next cap vanity a bonus with the Monarch Helm of Humania. Then, we wouldn't have so many whiners and crier's.

[Cahaun]

This sounds like one of those: "If I can't have it, nobody will!" things

[Chopper]

This sounds like one of those: "If I can't have it, nobody will!" things

nah, that was in response to W's 'they are for looks' argument.

It's actually a 'why didn't STS warn people about the CHANGE in policy and let everyone spend tons of money based on an established practice that they let go on and profit from'? issue.

[nomad187]

This sounds like one of those: "If I can't have it, nobody will!" things

^^this^^

[Apollo]

Can devs just give these crybabies their sets so when they come in PvP they'll find out that the sets were not the reason they were losing?

People will go to such great lengths to hide their ignorance.

Note: this post was only meant for the PvPers who think that the reason they lose is due to set bonus.

On another note, I don't mind them taking off bonuses for vanities all together BUT that should include all vanities that give stats or bonuses.

I think I just had a little tear due to how many people are beating this poor dead horse. :/

[Register]

This whole thing is sorta ridiculous IMO ;P
It's a small bonus...Get better at the game an it wouldn't matter as much maybe?
I could've sworn people were saying level 12 Pvp takes little skill and it's about gear an it wa the exact opposite for endgame. What happened to that?

Anyways, if your that enraged about a few pixels and a number on a screen, don't play. Raging on a thread probably won't help.

Just my opinion...

[Jcyee]

This whole thing is sorta ridiculous IMO ;P
It's a small bonus...Get better at the game an it wouldn't matter as much maybe?
I could've sworn people were saying level 12 Pvp takes little skill and it's about gear an it wa the exact opposite for endgame. What happened to that?

Anyways, if your that enraged about a few pixels and a number on a screen, don't play. Raging on a thread probably won't help.

Just my opinion...

Lol

And yes a lot of people dont realize thst the bonus isnt as large as they think. Many players with just the mfa r just as skilled, if not better, than others with an elite vanity bonus

[Xionskull]

Yo, I have a few things to say... SOOO REEEAAAD!!
1. Mfa and Humania cap helm would be kewl if they had a small bonus.

2. A dragon set/ elite vanity set won't make the difference, skill will.

3. Next time ur in pvp, pvp a dude with elite vanity set then pvp him without the set, 0.0.

4. Live with it.

[Whirlzap]

Live with what?
Bad breath?
Horrible personal hygiene?
Umm, live with dragging a fish?
I confused.

[Chopper]

Just for clarification, I dont PvP, never have. I have no idea how much of an advantage these bonuses make there so i cant comment.

But i do know that Yetis punch me pretty hard and sometimes i have a handful of HP left, but most times i am down for the count. 50HP would be a huge deal in respect of survivability. It's like having 50 armour added to my stats that replenishes itself overtime. If there was a vanity shield that added 50 armour, it would be worth more than the dragon sets even. That's a big difference.

[Whirlzap]

Don't rely on gear.
Rely on skill.

Needs 2 b hardcore

[WhoIsThis]

Can devs just give these crybabies their sets so when they come in PvP they'll find out that the sets were not the reason they were losing?

People will go to such great lengths to hide their ignorance.

Note: this post was only meant for the PvPers who think that the reason they lose is due to set bonus.

On another note, I don't mind them taking off bonuses for vanities all together BUT that should include all vanities that give stats or bonuses.

I think I just had a little tear due to how many people are beating this poor dead horse. :/

They'd just figure out a new thing to complain about.


When 66 was the level cap, I once fought another mage in mega mage while they were in crafted lilith. Round 1; 5-4 advantage me. When I got my lilith back - he/she got hammered and didn't kill me once. That was gear holding me back. Angel destroying every other set under 66? That's gear holding the underdog back.

The slight bonuses conveyed by the vanity set? It helps of course, but it isn't decisive. As it should be. If you want proof - ask top pvpers to remove their vanity sets. The ones that are truly good will and will kill their opponents almost as easily. Not to mention, the players that use the vanity sets have been around the longest and by nature are likely to be the most experienced.

[Livemau]

i can say that the set bonus is more than you guys think
when 66 was the cap a dex bird with full crafted set vs me a warbird with crafted str set
if he had no vanity he was always dead in 3 shots
if they have vanity they have 50% chance of surviving my 3 shots so i would use 5 most times