Federal law would prevent unauthorized access to bank account and an argument that it was added to TOS or unclear would easilly be overturned in court. Changing the rules of a video game wou.d not fall under fraud. Come on
Federal law would prevent unauthorized access to bank account and an argument that it was added to TOS or unclear would easilly be overturned in court. Changing the rules of a video game wou.d not fall under fraud. Come on
It was an example, lol.Originally Posted by StompArtist
@Mat, there we go, that's what I'm trying to say: morals. People feel jipped. Personally, vanity sets, I don't care about, still got the ring, but ticked off about them making all my other rings useless. Perhaps there's a way to combine them?
As for the dragon, if they do change it, I would like a refund on all of the dragon packs I've purchased, as they were there for that reason.
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I think this is mostly an economic issue, not a stat issue. So many players, including myself, have spent months saving gold, farming items, merching, etc, and have then spent our entire fortunes on a single dragon set. My dragon set is probably about 75-80% of the total value of everything I have in game. So whatever they do, the value of the dragon items must be preserved or else it will wreak havoc on the PL economy. Perhaps I am bias because I'm a merchant, but my favorite part of the game is the economics of it all. Buying, selling, trading items, farming for rare items to sell and make a profit, etc. I would most likely lose interest if STS made a change which caused me to lose everything I worked for during the last 6 months.
So in order for dragon items to keep their value, here are some possible solutions:
1) leave everything as is -- but STS wants to remove stats from vanities so that people don't all look the same and wear the same gear....I suppose this is a reasonable goal....perhaps there is another solution...
2) have a "dragon crafter" who crafts a complete pink legendary dragon set into statless vanity dragon set (blue vanity items like the hooch hat), but in the process gives you a "dragon ring" with equivalent stats. A requirement to craft the dragon ring would be that you must also have the matching pet. And then of course, the dragon ring would be tradeable/sellable.
The problem with this approach would be that you can only wear one ring. So end gamers would obviously wear their elite vanity ring, and thus the dragon ring would not be popular and would lose its value. The only way this would work would be to make the dragon ring have higher stats than the elite vanity ring. But then of course the old timers would rage over this. So this approach would not work.
3) Use the approach #2, but make their be a way that you can wear both the dragon ring and the elite vanity ring. Perhaps make a "vanity ring" slot in your inventory. I think this approach would work best. It would allow the pink dragon items to retain their value prior to be used to craft. And once they are crafted, they will turn blue into regular non-crafted vanity items, which can still be sold. And of course the dragon ring would be a vanity ring which could also be sold. I'm guessing the dragon rings would be worth millions, and the non-stated (already crafted) blue dragon vanity items would probably be worth a few hundred thousand gold each, kind of like other vanities like the rabbit ears, etc.
Anyone agree that #3 is the way to go here??
Or just make dragon not stackable with elite rings... That way like last cap players pick what they want to wear. Either dragon for dps/dmg or elite for armor/dodge bonus. Most logical solution... Dragon still has its value bc it still has stats and old timers still hav their bonus. Eliminating dragon/elite stacking. Pick and choose what to use!
Just about everyone would chose the elite rings, and dragon items would lose considerable value. The only way dragon items retain their value is if the elite end-gamers still want it, and that means they would be able to wear it alongside their elite ring.
There is absolutely no point in havin a dragon ring, if its worst stay then a elite ring, maybe would b cool to combine, but i doubt sts would make a whole new section for a couple rings,
Maybe just maybe, u can take your plat pet and your dragon vanities and go craft them into a crazy NEW LOOKING dragon, so if u wear pet u get extra stats, people talk about oh i wish pets can do damage, well then there u go?
I really feel it is best to leave things as they are, dragon vanities are how they should be. They are available to everyone willing to put in the time to farm, and pay all the plat to get one plus the dragon pets. Making it easy for a new player to get to 60-76, and then automatically be able to have a level playing field sounds fine on paper... (If I were socialist or a hippie) but shouldn't they work for it? What is truly gained by doing something like this? I know I've spent a LOT of hours (and plat) farming for them just so that I'd have that extra bonus for pve AND pvp.
It reminds me of a history lesson with the Roman empire... *very briefly* they took these coins, which held a certain value, and then debased the currency to supply a demand. The coins basically no longer had any value, but once held a lot of value. This is what started the fall of Rome, it set them up for the Byzantines to walk through and take over.
I'm a firm believer that those who have been here since the beginning should have a slight advantage, followed by those who've also put in serious amounts of time. What's there to strive for if you nerf it all and make us all the same. If you go and make everyone the same, remove challenges (They really need to make it slightly harder to get the dragon vanities), and get rid of any super special extras, you are just inviting disaster. Long-term, people will get bored far quicker... give us all something to strive for.
... hmmm, or refund my plat!
Anyway, there's my $.02
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So.. Make Dragon sets into rings?.. H'm.. I'm sure those with Dragon sets wouldn't be happy.. Including myself.. Paid a lot for my sets.. Way above cs prices.. If this is for the less fortunate.. Too bad. like not getting items after lvl cap. I say leave well enough alone. I'm sure there are plenty players who dreamed of getting a Dragon set.. Which wasn't available to all.. Rare drop. Now I see more & more players rocking Dragon.. Grats its finally cs prices. And to just do away with them is going to upset many. Don't realize vanitys don't have stats now.. Kinda late eh.. Omnipotent crowns give armor.. Heck, all crowns give armor. I say the pl community should vote.. Only Dragon owners though.. Don't need the less fortunate hating lol!
Definition of voting: when 2 wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner. Another name for this idea: mob rule. Yes, those without dragon (the majority) will vote to nerf them.
Yep, agree on not making the bonus stat from dragon vanities stack with any ring.
PS: LOL at first world problems
Black your right alot vanities give stats got to take those away now. They shouldbjust leavem, people who dont wana put work to farm complaining, drags drop so easyyy now, craziness
If any of you think it's unfair, go farm the dragon sets at Mount Fang or buy the set from CS! Everyone got the chance!
This is not a North Korean game, no socialism!
These arguements and so many others like them are invalid!
The dragon sets have never been stackable with the elite bonuses and you all knew that when you purchased them so saying otherwise is ridiculous to put it bluntly. As is saying dragon sets will "lose value" if made into or given a ring (to take up the ring slit) as prices for dragon setsa are actually lower now then they ever were when they weren't stackable. Just because they have been made "better" in a way does NOT mean that if turned back into what they used to be would effect there value.
Yeah i bought dragon sets hoping for mitas..then they did the dragon quest and now ive got more dragons than hairs on my head!!id APPRECIATE a refund so i can better spend the plat on elixirs..but hey ..this will go on deaf ears..lol grr
To remove them would be a blatant contradiction to the quote above. Removing their bonuses would also be deceptive considering that quote immediately followed the listing of stats.
A lot of folks have invested heavily based on that fact. Doing an about face and intentionally misleading players after collecting their payments would erode confidence in STS and that would be unfortunate. It would also be unethical, but this sounds more like a business decision, not a moral dilemma.
I understand that legacy players resting on their laurels don't generate a lot of revenue, so I'm actually ok with retiring things that were never intended to be permanent. Going forward it would be better to advertise them as such.
But the dragon vanities were not introduced that way, and it would be best not to backpedal. There's probably no urgency in doing so either. They're accessible to everyone (unlike COP/SOH/MFA/MH) and their stat bonuses will become gradually less significant as players attain higher levels.
Last edited by plovr; 10-24-2012 at 11:18 AM.
Very true, BUT....the elite bonuses were originally only available to older players who capped back at older levels. Newer players like myself never had any elite bonus, so demand for dragon sets was high among players like me. But now with the new elite rings, they are available to everyone old and new, so very few elite players who could actually afford a dragon set would actually want to use one. Instead, elite players would have an elite vanity ring, and the only ones who would want a dragon set would be those who are not elite players and do not have millions of gold, and thus they would fall in value bigtime.
Yes but you ask speaking as if everyone is "poof" just going to have a elite bonus... Fact is if they didnt have one before they still need to wait one or two cap increases. Which in terms of PL market and economy gives "elite players" who currently own dragon to sell, buy, sell and buy multiple times over the course of the next year all but eliminating the true chances for any loss . I wouldn't call that devastating or harmful in anyway to any economy, Would you?
There number of players playing this game over the years keeps growing. With the new ring vanity, I would guess there are 4 or 5 times as many players who can now get a bonus ring than there were players who had at least 2 of the first 3 elite vanities. That's because there are tons of players whose first elite vanity was the mount fang armor or the monarch helm. My first was the monarch helm, and now I got the lvl76 elite vanity and got my 2-vanity ring. In my guild there are 5 of us who have dragon sets (our master has all 4 vanity dragon sets), and all of us now have elite rings, none of us had elite vanity bonus before.
Those whose first elite vanity was the mount fang armor now can have a 3-vanity ring. None of us had any bonus before. I know tons of players who have dragon sets, and very few of them (maybe 10%) had 2 or more of the original 3 elite vanities. If your suggestion is implemented, all of these players would at once want to sell their dragon sets, and that would cause a price crash.
Furthermore, I don't know a single player who has a dragon set but does not at least have the monarch helm (and will soon have the lvl76 vanity and be able to get the 2 vanity ring). This is because players who don't have the monarch helm haven't been playing very long and there is no way they can even afford a dragon set. The result of implementing a system whereby the only players who want dragon sets are those who have little money will result in prices dropping so that those players who want them will be able to buy them. I'd guess your suggestion would result in dragon sets going for 1-2m.
The value of fang sets is the stat bonus. There's no good way to take away the stats without depreciating them. There would need to have a value for us, how so without stats?
Alternatives could include something like;
Access to a new map with exclusive items that may range from 60ish up (like how forgotten could be diff levels). dragon vanities would work like the monarch helm fist did.
Or, the stated pieces might be exchanged for a new vanity similar to the new faces few/no stats but exclusive. ppl have offered to buy my hardlite and zombie face because they are no longer available.
I don't know how much plat I spent for those stats, but I spent almost a goldcap for a red helm, take my stats and I should get something really sweet in exchange.
Making any sort of vanity ring with stats would be the same problem in sts eyes (assumption).
Vanities should just be vanities...not sure why people are so concerned with depreciation, it's not the first time an item depreciated in the game. If the price of having "true vanity" in the game is the depreciation of "one", so be it. As long as there is the dragon set bonus, everyone will still shoot for that set, and soon everyone will be wearing them and in effect, the dragon sets only replaced the linearity and monotony of elite cap vanities (no customization, everyone still looks the same). The removal of elite cap vanities will be useless if the dragon set bonus will not be removed or changed somehow.
PS: If they don't change/remove the bonus stats from dragon vanities, I'll give it 'till next expansion before you see everyone walking around with a dragon set...so where's customization there? If I remember correctly, their intention for removing the elite cap vanity bonus is to give way for customization, and that will never happen until there's one item set with a bonus stat. Might as well bring back the elite cap vanity bonus if they cannot execute their plan 100%.
PSS: The old vets were able to let go of their bonuses of elite cap vanities even after all their hardwork and money spent, nobody's crying about it now? So now, the ball is on everyone else, let go of the bonus stats of the dragon vanities to give way for true vanities? It's the same banana
Last edited by vampinoy; 10-24-2012 at 08:57 PM.
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