Dual spec. character discussion

[Techno Email]

One of the things I find interesting about PL is how the different classes have the option to wear gear for any class, depending on how they build out their character's stat. points. I tend to go all-in on one stat., even if it isn't my class's traditional stat. because itemsets at the higher level are only obtained for wearing all archer/enchantress/warrior stat'd gear. However, I know there are several viable dual spec options for each class. I'm interested in hearing about some cool dual spec. build outs.

If you have an interesting dual-spec character that you'd like to share some info about, here are a couple things I'm curious about:

1. What advantages does your dual-spec. build out offer?
- If there are no advantages, what do you find compelling about this build out?

2. Is this spec. particularly viable at certain level ranges?
- If so, which levels?

3. Is the spec. more advantageous in PVP or PVE game types?
- If so, which game type is it better for and why?

4. Which abilities do you invest most in with this spec.?

5. What type of gear makes this spec. more viable?
- Does the gear tend to have Str, Dex, or Int stat requirements?
- Do you prefer defensive or damage stat's on this character's gear?

6. SHOW OFF!! Do you have any screenies of your character?
- I'd love to see them, especially if your character looks unique, has unusual stat.'s (DUH - see thread name ;P) or is just totally SWEET!

[Noodleleg]

Simply, the only time you dual spec is in some twink levels and bears... Otherwise, pure all the way!

Edit:
Actually... You guys have been making many op sets, almost forcing those try-hards to dual spec lol...

My best dual-spec-er:

[Yich]

One of the things I find interesting about PL is how the different classes have the option to wear gear for any class, depending on how they build out their character's stat. points. I tend to go all-in on one stat., even if it isn't my class's traditional stat. because itemsets at the higher level are only obtained for wearing all archer/enchantress/warrior stat'd gear. However, I know there are several viable dual spec options for each class. I'm interested in hearing about some cool dual spec. build outs.

If you have an interesting dual-spec character that you'd like to share some info about, here are a couple things I'm curious about:

1. What advantages does your dual-spec. build out offer?
- If there are no advantages, what do you find compelling about this build out?

2. Is this spec. particularly viable at certain level ranges?
- If so, which levels?

3. Is the spec. more advantageous in PVP or PVE game types?
- If so, which game type is it better for and why?

4. Which abilities do you invest most in with this spec.?

5. What type of gear makes this spec. more viable?
- Does the gear tend to have Str, Dex, or Int stat requirements?
- Do you prefer defensive or damage stat's on this character's gear?

6. SHOW OFF!! Do you have any screenies of your character?
- I'd love to see them, especially if your character looks unique, has unusual stat.'s (DUH - see thread name ;P) or is just totally SWEET!

Are devs not allowed to do a bit of field work? If I had your job, Id have a regular character or two and learn more from experience.

[Noodleleg]

Are devs not allowed to do a bit of field work? If I had your job, Id have a regular character or two and learn more from experience.

I wouldn't be surprised if the devs were the noobs we spawn and rush lmao... But usually... When you dual spec, always have dex !

[Noodleleg]

Str mage. Your arguement is invalid. Lol, jk, but str mages are pretty tuff.

I see many pallies do half str and dex o_O... Yich, let's shine some pvp experience on these noobie developers !

[Yich]

I see many pallies do half str and dex o_O... Yich, let's shine some pvp experience on these noobie developers !

Sure why not. Ok Techno. For low level, dual spec is mostly just birds who want enough strength to wear armsman but want dex for the OP forgotten bow. Mages usually pure dex it along with bears, because melee weapons are useless at levels 20-. This is entirely from a PvP standpoint.

[Zaheris]

A lot of dual spec builds (archers especially)are mainly for PvP, such as warbird.

[Snakespeare]

Technically I think you mean Hybrids. We used the term dual-spec back when the bonuses from items were applied to the prerequisites such that we were able to make characters who could change between dex, str, or int gear (usually just two gears). They nerfed dual-specs (doolies) when they ported some code from SL that made it so only base stats would count towards prerequisites.

For hybrids, one of my favorite tricks is the Sandstone Caves gear. It all has really low prerequisites. You can actually be a dual-spec still, if you are the right level and you use only SSC gear. My favorite tweak here is using SSC str gear on a bird. They are much less squishy this way.

[Conradin]

I second the notion that dex is almost always used in a hybrid. On my "Pally" i am really a str/dex at lvl 51

[Suentous PO]

Well duel works well for all builds for different reasons, but I was wondering:
Why are pure str bears good at nothing compared to others? From a game design perspective they may live but they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Both other classes reward a pure build, but not bears?!? O.o

[cookiez]

Well, at 56 MAGE Im pure int all the way! Nuke ftw!!!

But when I was 51 I was quite surprised when screwing around with builds/stats/gear how well this worked
108 str/rest on int
Lvl. 51 mm wand
Lvl. 51 ff shield
Lvl. 51 ff armor
Lvl. 51 ff helm
My nuke was powerful, birds couldn't touch me, and I owned all MAGes except 1. My kd greatly improved and I had a lot of fun. Eventually as my skill increased I moved on to full int will mm set. I'd suggest to beginers to 51 to try it out

lol if anyone remembers me doing this

[airslash]

Lol remember the time when the void set , rift set, cosmos set, cost about 1m? Remember how we used to dual spec? I'm pretty sure we used items like shivering, frozen, brain freeze to get the extra points in str, dex, or int and then put our real sets on good times good times

[noperly22]

i was thinking that they should have certain items that need both stat points in order to be used, they would be duel spec items.. sound good techno?

[Conradin]

Well, at 56 MAGE Im pure int all the way! Nuke ftw!!!

But when I was 51 I was quite surprised when screwing around with builds/stats/gear how well this worked
108 str/rest on int
Lvl. 51 mm wand
Lvl. 51 ff shield
Lvl. 51 ff armor
Lvl. 51 ff helm
My nuke was powerful, birds couldn't touch me, and I owned all MAGes except 1. My kd greatly improved and I had a lot of fun. Eventually as my skill increased I moved on to full int will mm set. I'd suggest to beginers to 51 to try it out

lol if anyone remembers me doing this

Who was your pally? I was Aeogod. I can't remember if i fought you

[Snakespeare]

Well duel works well for all builds for different reasons, but I was wondering:
Why are pure str bears good at nothing compared to others? From a game design perspective they may live but they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Both other classes reward a pure build, but not bears?!? O.o

pure str bears are supposed to taunt and draw attacks to their awesome armor while the pure dex birds stay back and shoot high dps and the mages heal and debuff... it wasn't designed for PvP but for group play, so they figure if PvP is all bird v. bird it's ok

[Cavoc]

The majority of dual spec characters, usually have strength + their traditional stats. For instance str/int mages, str/dex bears, str/dex birds.
These are the most common in my opinion. Full dex birds die way to easily, and full strength bears don't do enough damage, and you're basically there to get hit. (Which isnt fun in my opinion)
I think this is because each character should have the potential to be independent.
The strength gives the character a better chance to live, and the traditional stats gives the character a chance to kill.

I have two lvl 70 characters. A level 70 str/dex bear, and a lvl 70 str/dex bird. They have basically the same stats, and when i want to use a different character,
I just stash the gear on one, and put it on the other. This saves me loads of money.

[AbsolutePally]

I really think making items/gear class specific would be great.

[Yich]

Would kinda kill the uniqueness if everyone had to use the same amount of points in a particular area...

[AbsolutePally]

Would kinda kill the uniqueness if everyone had to use the same amount of points in a particular area...

Would also force players to learn their class, use strategy/skill and have multiple cases for different situations. Which would improve their knowledge of dynamics.

[Yich]

Would also force players to learn their class, use strategy/skill and have multiple cases for different situations. Which would improve their knowledge of dynamics.

I dont get where you got any of that from except the third maybe. Part of the strategy in endgame is not just what you spend your skill points in, but your attributes as well. The exact amount is your choice for now, and I think thats a good thing.