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    Default Level Cap (explicit and implicit), aka "I can't get any more XP!"

    There have been a lot of heated debates about this issue, so I thought I'd try to explain a few things.

    Let me first start off by saying there is one explicit level cap, and it's currently intentionally set at 30. We raise the explicit level cap by 5 with each new campaign we release. The most recently released campaign is The Lost Expedition.

    It's perfectly reasonable to limit the amount of XP you get when facing mobs of a lower level -- most RPG games do this. If you're level 30, you won't get XP for fighting a level 1 mob, or a level 10 mob, or a level 20 mob. So, with that said, we chose 3 as the level difference limit. You don't get XP for mobs more than 3 levels below you (in fact, if 1 level below, you get 75%, 2 levels below, 50%, and 3 levels below, 25%). Now the game certainly doesn't say anywhere that you don't get XP for mobs more than 3 levels below you, but that will be addressed soon. The next client update introduces con colors next to the mob's health bar, so you'll be able to tell immediately if the mob you're about to fight is an easy kill or death on sight.

    It's perfectly reasonable for campaigns to have mobs that are a specific level range. This is clearly stated in the campaign description. Forest Haven is for levels 1-10, Dark Forest is for levels 10-15, Balefort Castle is for levels 15-20, Fathom Crypts is for levels 20-25, and Lost Expedition is for levels 25-30. Since you don't get XP for mobs more than 3 levels below you, if you only play in Forest Haven, you're only going to get up to level 10 mobs. Once you hit level 13, you're no longer facing a mob that can give you XP.

    Admittedly, the only concrete thing the game allows you to do right now is PvE (well, that and socialize in town). This is intentional. These games are by no means cheap to make, we felt that in order for the game to succeed, the first thing that had to be fun was the core combat mechanic, so our release centered on that. What you spent most of your time doing had to be fun, Fun, FUN. If the game allowed us to [barely] break even, we could afford to expand it. If it didn't, well, you wouldn't be here reading this post. Our next client update (detailed here) introduces so much more to the game. Our technology roadmap (detailed here) gives a high-level overview of you what we're committed to delivering.

    As far as limiting access to campaigns if you're not of a certain level, we won't be doing this. We want you to play. So, should you only buy The Lost Expedition? That choice is yours, depends on what you like to do. But understand that when we add features to the game, they will more than likely only be available in specific areas of the world. For example (not set in stone):
    • Bank/Stash/Mailbox - Forest Haven
    • Quests - In all campaign townes
    • Vendors - In all campaign townes
    • Player Housing - Balefort Castle
    • PvP - Fathom Crypts
    • Pet Shop - Dark Forest
    • Lost Expedition - Explicit level cap
    • Others - future campaigns

    We made it free so everyone could try it. We are a small, passionate group of game developers who have spent our hearts and minds creating a game unlike any other on the iPhone/iPad/iPod touch. Not everyone is going to like it, and we have recently gotten over that fact.

    As always, we WELCOME your constructive feedback, criticism, and support.

    -ALS
    Last edited by asommers; 04-22-2010 at 11:49 PM.

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    Hey Just wondering what pets would do. Would they be for looks or help u kill mobs?

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    You should sticky this for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prest87 View Post
    Hey Just wondering what pets would do. Would they be for looks or help u kill mobs?
    We will post more about various systems when we can.

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    Very well written and explained. Thanks for all the hard work!

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    cough so shouldnt the current cap be lvl 33?

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    You got my support guys!
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    I hope there won't be any level restriction whiners anymore. And you guys should take a break after you finish with the new update. The new features you guys are adding should keep us busy for a while.

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    Great post! Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asommers View Post
    But understand that when we add features to the game, they will more than likely only be available in specific areas of the world. For example (not set in stone):
    • Bank/Stash/Mailbox - Forest Haven
    • Quests - In all campaign townes
    • Vendors - In all campaign townes
    • Player Housing - Balefort Castle
    • PvP - Fathom Crypts
    • Pet Shop - Dark Forest
    • Lost Expedition - Explicit level cap
    • Others - future campaigns

    -ALS
    This section is VERY important. I knew you guys were going to be hurt financially by making it so that someone could jump straight to a higher level area. This is an elegant solution to adding value to the current expansions, and giving everyone a reason to own them all. I look forward to seeing what is coming up.

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    Thanks for clearing that up. Looking forward to the new content! And don't worry about them haters!

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    Yup, great system. You did the right thing by making the app free. People who like this kind of games pay easily 10-15$ a month anyway, so a sporadic 2$ for a new campaign won't kill anyone.
    I suppose you all heard about the 400.000 units of 25$ celestial horse thingy sold on WoW.
    Bring the pets on!!
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    Thanks again for your hard work in bringing us the new content. People need to realize that paying very little for an excellent game is a good thing.

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    Great stuff coming our way. I'm still curious about pets. Can't wait to read more about it.
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    Sounds good. Can't wait for pets. There better be a gerbil or a turtle. :3

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    The business model you guys have put together is absolutely fine. Quite frankly the vast majority of people who complain about the level cap or the payment system are people who have no intention of spending a dime on a game for their phone anyway; they have no interest in changing the payment system but rather they just don't want to pay at all.

    Don't worry about they haters devs, your loyal community shall smite them!

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    yup. I've spent about 20$ on legends so far, mostly buying gold for two characters (enchanteress Does gobble down loads of blue potions)

    If the game was for sale, it would cost easily 10$, and I wouldve bought it with no regret, so yeah, great marketing here.
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    Never paid for gold, as I get far more than I can spend in game on my chantress as my warrior. But I've paid for map packs and two respecs

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    thats fantastic cause i have bought everything so far except items and an extra charachter and ive been feeling a little short on what i recived for my 1:54 € so i love the way your mixing things into different places !!! LOVE IT !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmonRaa View Post
    yup. I've spent about 20$ on legends so far, mostly buying gold for two characters (enchanteress Does gobble down loads of blue potions)

    If the game was for sale, it would cost easily 10$, and I wouldve bought it with no regret, so yeah, great marketing here.

    Honestly speaking, I would not have bought it. =p
    Simply because I want to play a game first before plonking down money for it, which is why this "in app purchases" is good for me.
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