I'm confused. What the heck are trying to accomplish? Have founders removed? If the "dilemma" is so unjustifiable, then quit. That's your only option other than getting over it. I'm sure you want this "argument" about founders to be over with as much as I do, but I'm certain that you don't realize the only reason the "argument" continues is because people like you have to whine about it......Please, give it a rest.