Rogues vs Mages vs Knights CTF

[Energizeric]

All I know is when I go up against a team with 3 or more warriors, I die lots and rarely get a kill. Yet tonight I played a game in which my team had 2 warriors and the other team was 4 rogues and a sorcerer. I got 36 kills (the most ever for me) and died only about 5 times.

Not to say I can never kill a warrior. With this new trend of warriors doing PvP naked with no armor or helm, I can usually take down those fools. But if they got top gear, there's little chance for me unless I have a teammate with me and it's a 2-on-1. Even then it can be tough if my teammate is another mage or a rogue.

To fix this all, I think they need to give sorcerers back some of our stun capability. We have less armor than a rogue, the same amount of health, and we don't hit nearly as hard as a rogue, we are slower, and we have lower dodge and crit. The only thing we have over a rogue is that our mana lasts longer. So in a long fight we would win over a rogue. Problem is PvP fights in AL are never long unless they are 2 warriors fighting.

I think some of the warriors buffs like their heal need to be toned down as well, and their range with a melee weapon should certainly NOT be as long as the ranged weapons that sorcerers (rifle) and rogues (bow) have.

[Chaoss]

All I know is when I go up against a team with 3 or more warriors, I die lots and rarely get a kill. Yet tonight I played a game in which my team had 2 warriors and the other team was 4 rogues and a sorcerer. I got 36 kills (the most ever for me) and died only about 5 times.

Not to say I can never kill a warrior. With this new trend of warriors doing PvP naked with no armor or helm, I can usually take down those fools. But if they got top gear, there's little chance for me unless I have a teammate with me and it's a 2-on-1. Even then it can be tough if my teammate is another mage or a rogue.

To fix this all, I think they need to give sorcerers back some of our stun capability. We have less armor than a rogue, the same amount of health, and we don't hit nearly as hard as a rogue, we are slower, and we have lower dodge and crit. The only thing we have over a rogue is that our mana lasts longer. So in a long fight we would win over a rogue. Problem is PvP fights in AL are never long unless they are 2 warriors fighting.

I think some of the warriors buffs like their heal need to be toned down as well, and their range with a melee weapon should certainly NOT be as long as the ranged weapons that sorcerers (rifle) and rogues (bow) have.

Actually its not really that hard to kill a warrior as a mage as all you can do is stun lock, once they break free u kite and normal charge to stun again and spam your skills again(they take around 2s cd only lol) and continue, its not really that hard but it may take a longer time, so stick with your friends and try to gangbang the warriors unless they are weak. Also another thing to note is that its not that the warriors want to be naked, but its a glitch making them going "naked" but not them removing their cloths,if im not wrong they still have the equipment's stats.So never get tricked by a naked warrior! Sometimes you may not be able to take down a warrior is because 1. They have way better gears than you or 2. They are higher lvl then you(even one makes a diff! im a rogue i fought lvl 21 mage and got owned) 3. You may be abit laggy 4. Your skill build or combos are not good enough 5. Just takes forever that you choose to run away(too tanky) So what i recommend is try to improve your armor(maybe after the new lvl cap rises) or ask around for mage builds/combos do unleash your skills or just ask for someone to follow you and own everyone in your way(like a rogue!)

[Energizeric]

Actually its not really that hard to kill a warrior as a mage as all you can do is stun lock, once they break free u kite and normal charge to stun again and spam your skills again(they take around 2s cd only lol) and continue, its not really that hard but it may take a longer time, so stick with your friends and try to gangbang the warriors unless they are weak. Also another thing to note is that its not that the warriors want to be naked, but its a glitch making them going "naked" but not them removing their cloths,if im not wrong they still have the equipment's stats.So never get tricked by a naked warrior! Sometimes you may not be able to take down a warrior is because 1. They have way better gears than you or 2. They are higher lvl then you(even one makes a diff! im a rogue i fought lvl 21 mage and got owned) 3. You may be abit laggy 4. Your skill build or combos are not good enough 5. Just takes forever that you choose to run away(too tanky) So what i recommend is try to improve your armor(maybe after the new lvl cap rises) or ask around for mage builds/combos do unleash your skills or just ask for someone to follow you and own everyone in your way(like a rogue!)

Two things I've yet to witness as a sorcerer:

1) stun lock. I keep seeing folks refer to this, but never have actually been able to do it, not even once. I have fireball, lightning and frost, and I use the watch rifle. I've tried all 4 both charged and uncharged, and the only one that ever produces a stun for me has been charged fireball which seems to do it about 90% of the time. The charged attack from the gun just doesn't do it -- maybe one in 20 times, but not often enough to make it worthwhile to charge the skill. Lightning never stuns, and neither does frost.

2) "kite the warrior" - how exactly is this done? The warrior has a range that is further than the largest room. Even in the large spawn room, if the warrior stands in the middle, there is no place in the room that he cannot land a hit on me. If you mean by "kite" that I should just run, then yes I do try, but the warrior always catches up as he can run faster than I can. Once the warrior lands a hit on me, he can "stun lock" me every single time. One hit from the warrior and I become stunned, and then there's nothing more I can do until I am dead. None of my skills work anymore at that point, and he only needs to hit me 1 or 2 more times and I die.

As to your suggestion that after he breaks free I should stun him again, after he breaks free I become stunned and stay that way until I die. I haven't yet figured out a way to avoid this.

In answer to your other questions, I'm lvl21 with all top gear -- watch rifle and demonlord armor. I'm full INT with some STR from the gear. 500+ armor, 1800+ health, and my skills are fireball, lightning, frost and heal.

I refuse to replace one of my skills with shield as it is totally useless in PvE. If STS is going to make this game so that I must choose to be successful in either PvE or PvP, then I guess I will choose to not participate in PvP anymore. But I'm hoping they will make some adjustments to PvP. They did say at the beginning that this was in beta and they would make balancing adjustments, but I've not seen them make any changes yet. So I guess it takes a few months.



Again I invite you to look at the leaderboards for both kills and flags and tell me which end-game lvl21 sorcerers are on either list. The answer is none. There is a reason for this. It's not just a big coincidence. As PvP achievements are needed for the "Top Player" leaderboard, I think over the next month you will see all of the sorcerers fall off of the top 25 list for that too.

[bluotaku]

Two things I've yet to witness as a sorcerer:

1) stun lock. I keep seeing folks refer to this, but never have actually been able to do it, not even once. I have fireball, lightning and frost, and I use the watch rifle. I've tried all 4 both charged and uncharged, and the only one that ever produces a stun for me has been charged fireball which seems to do it about 90% of the time. The charged attack from the gun just doesn't do it -- maybe one in 20 times, but not often enough to make it worthwhile to charge the skill. Lightning never stuns, and neither does frost.

Agreed. This stunlock thing people keep talking about is a myth. You might be able to do it several times with luck, but for the most part it's not a consistent thing. Plus, if the opponent is stunned, a stun proc from lightning/charged attack/gust will not add onto the time of the stun, so you have to time if perfectly. You probably won't get your skill off b4 a warrior spam tapping his skyward smash.

[Haowesie]

Two things I've yet to witness as a sorcerer:
I refuse to replace one of my skills with shield as it is totally useless in PvE. If STS is going to make this game so that I must choose to be successful in either PvE or PvP, then I guess I will choose to not participate in PvP anymore. But I'm hoping they will make some adjustments to PvP. They did say at the beginning that this was in beta and they would make balancing adjustments, but I've not seen them make any changes yet. So I guess it takes a few months.

In the next expansion, we'll be able to choose/sacrifice 5 skill points for a 5th skill which we can then switch (map skills) between PVE and PVP/CTF. It's just a matter of how much you want to sacrifice...

Again I invite you to look at the leaderboards for both kills and flags and tell me which end-game lvl21 sorcerers are on either list. The answer is none. There is a reason for this. It's not just a big coincidence. As PvP achievements are needed for the "Top Player" leaderboard, I think over the next month you will see all of the sorcerers fall off of the top 25 list for that too.

I hope this is a lesson learned by STS -- they could've hidden the stats for them to analyse and balance the game during the 'TEST' period.

Although I think it's pretty well balanced now, I still think that it's unfair for both warrior and rogue to have a skill that leaps making escape extremely difficult for the squishy sorcerer....Oh well.

[Destructible]

Not to say I can never kill a warrior. With this new trend of warriors doing PvP naked with no armor or helm,

There is a bug that has been going around (fixed) that makes any warrior wearing Winter gear go naked. Could it be this?

[Energizeric]

There is a bug that has been going around (fixed) that makes any warrior wearing Winter gear go naked. Could it be this?

I suppose it's possible. All I know is when I see them naked they usually die much easier. Maybe it's because they just have lousy gear (I don't think Winter gear is very good).