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    yes. many people feel that taunting skill is worthless. especially with this pvp stuff coming. most of warrior didn't even bother to take taunt on HoR because they are worthless. VB and then windmill could also take aggro from mobs. but not too long. STS probably need to make the taunt skill more effective than the current one.

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    Imo there is no aggro beyond 5 seconds, it cant be held. The enemies read mage or rogue as a bigger threat and it is done, then you have to draw aggro again and repeat again after the next hit.
    Its just frustrating. I'm not seeing a huge differene between L21 warrior gear and the L26 either, at least not as impressive as the other two classes gear gains were.
    All this buffness for nuthiin!

    I've given up on trying to tank. I'm going damage/hp and armor, and praying we get better weapons at some point that can do some decent damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X29798 View Post
    The skill is attack based not something a warrior needs, fast cool down drains mana. Warriors already have low mana. VB is not a skill for tanking at all, nothing about the skill says anything about taunting or getting aggro. You won't get much aggro from mobs with it.

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    Actually, VB is extremely useful in tanking. I charge it before I use skyward smash to get the extra dmg and 500 health. The dmg keeps the aggro for most of the time and then I use heal to take it back. VB also helps in the middle of the fight, the 500 health is priceless and mana regen keeps you from spamming mana pots instead of health pots.

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    It's based on how fast u can tap potions now, before u can maxed out ur gears.
    That's how the rich gets richer.

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    its just me or to all idk, i feel taunt from horn of renew not work properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoobieGabel View Post
    Actually, VB is extremely useful in tanking. I charge it before I use skyward smash to get the extra dmg and 500 health. The dmg keeps the aggro for most of the time and then I use heal to take it back. VB also helps in the middle of the fight, the 500 health is priceless and mana regen keeps you from spamming mana pots instead of health pots.
    I am more concerned about elite tanking, when it works for you use it. I don't use it.

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    'Warriors can't tank' ~ said no one ever. (except for you)
    #nerfwarrior2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicazx View Post
    I ignored every post in this thread and now i'm going to troll
    What?

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    Warriors are first and foremost warriors not tanks. Those that wish to tank can and those that don't are able to. Trying out some possible builds for tanks, I did not find any that meet my standards of tanking.

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    Last edited by X29798; 02-28-2013 at 05:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard_Mike View Post
    What we need is passives for tanks to increase threat output, and passives for rogues and sorcerers to decrease threat output.

    In addition, all sword & shield sets needs to have a built in threat bonus. What's the purpose of sacrificing damage for extra armor if we dish out less threat with these, making holding aggro even harder? The best sword & shield set should dish out double the threat that the best two-hander dishes out.
    I just want to quote this again, as it seems like the best solution to this issue. Its frustrating that we haven't had a response from AL concerning this problem. I've spent almost 30 plat trying to nail down a tank build that does its job, to no avail.

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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJucqJo9vKg

    It's not that warriors can't tank. It's just hard to.

    (This was recorded the week of the games release so please don't post "noob" comments)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    I just want to quote this again, as it seems like the best solution to this issue. Its frustrating that we haven't had a response from AL concerning this problem. I've spent almost 30 plat trying to nail down a tank build that does its job, to no avail.
    pfft I've spent over 30 plat by accidently clicking bypass on shazbot and klaas. They don't care about that lol

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    Well Roberto, you kept scattering the mobs and leaving your teamates in a crowd of mobs, its best if your a but situated like this

    Warrior in front, but not in middle of mobs

    Sorceror behind the warrior ( So he could use fireball which knocks the enemy down)

    And Rogues should be in the middle of the mobs, taking them down with razor shield and the fast slash move that hits multiple enemys

    As a warrior try and gain the aggro, while not going deep into the mobs, like running from place to place gathering, it may be just a bit to much if you gathered alot. Oh and try to stay still unless your using windmill then go sort of but quickly go back to where you were standing, it makes the sorcerors job alot easier, and would result in a lesser possability of dieing

    Hope this helps, warriors doing that^ Would make it easier for sorceror to stun and knockdown enemies, resulting in no hp pots needed by warrior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedenos View Post
    pfft I've spent over 30 plat by accidently clicking bypass on shazbot and klaas. They don't care about that lol
    I've.. done that too, lol /facepalm

    A lvl 26 warrior cannot hold aggro over and equally geared rogue or mage. You can spam all the taunt skills you want and the boss will instantly focus the rogue/mage afterward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto077 View Post
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CJucqJo9vKg

    It's not that warriors can't tank. It's just hard to.

    (This was recorded the week of the games release so please don't post "noob" comments)
    That was back at the 16 cap. Holding aggro was a bit more reliable back then. It wasn't very good back then, but much better than now. As the caps increase, the reliability of holding aggro keeps getting lower.

    Plus, that video is of tombs. The main problem with holding aggro happens with elite runs. Elite bosses take so long to kill that rogues and sorcerers have loads of time to out-threat the tank.
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    Rule of thumb applied - get rich, capped out and grab end-game equips.
    You won't be able to have problem then.
    Also, the healing pots are meant to be used there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abrai View Post
    Rule of thumb applied - get rich, capped out and grab end-game equips.
    You won't be able to have problem then.
    Also, the healing pots are meant to be used there.
    Like I said, an equally geared warrior can't hold aggro over a rogue or mage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Like I said, an equally geared warrior can't hold aggro over a rogue or mage.
    That's what I mean, classes are not equal with max/high gear. Tanking doesn't work at in this game, it not about skill or mechanics. There is no point in tanking at all, in this game as of now. There is more to a warrior then tanking and other builds to use .

    Back on topic, this is about lvl 26 warriors on elite runs. Have you tried taking damage from mobs and boss? The amount of damage they do is way above anything a warrior can survive. I doubt any class can take most of the damage and live, instead they just waste a lot of potions spamming.

    Tanks stay on a spot and take most damage and aggression, while staying alive using skills without spamming potions.

    There is no real tanking happening.

    Take a page from guild wars 2 and have everyone be self sufficient, deal damage, surround mobs in a circle, control the field and take damage. The trinity doesn't work anymore, its time MMOs evolved or get left behind.

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    Last edited by X29798; 02-28-2013 at 05:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X29798 View Post
    You just said it, thanks for agreeing and also giving this topic attention. Win, win.
    I wonder if you can see that what i said was a quote which is why there are ' ' between the words. hurdurr
    #nerfwarrior2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicazx View Post
    I wonder if you can see that what i said was a quote which is why there are ' ' between the words. hurdurr
    You have added nothing of value to this discussion. Why are you here again?

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