PL Balance after the Great Nerf of 2013

[stricker20000]

This was just an example, all of the other classes are having equivalent nerfs to their dodge and crit values. This ties in to the free respecs.

so u nerf the sets dodge too?

[Itoopeo]

What about the lower lvl mages opness? Example: a L30 mage can nuke my L30 iceberg bear in 1-2secs, while hiding behind their mana bubble and armor buffs

[Waug]

These ideas seeming realy "great nerf" more bigger challenge would be testing/listening feedbacks, after doing these changes.

hope community provides truely neutral feedback.

[Jig]

Let's rock L35 back Jigbowl

Not yet mate not yet trying to be more active hah

[johnny6880]

You guys need to make fox have break mana shield because thats a huge probelm with fox taking on a paladin mage

[Chickenrunnn]

Justg & Dev team, Ty for the Nerf's, but I don't fully agree with some you did .


1) Since you lowered Birds buffes, you should have lowered the damage of the end game gears.
Indeed, staff mages, pallies, bears, etc.. EVERYONE can 1 shot birds now...
PLEASE, if you leave the buffed-nerfed that way, LOWER the damage for end game! OR increase HP, because oneshots are OP.
Dodge was the only way for birds to live before.
If you do so (lower damage/increase HP), lower the rhino heal, because even 3vs1, rhino full str won't die.
In addition, fox are very OP now, you should lower the foreword dash (dash less far), because they have an hyptonize to bring people to them. Moreover, they could cros CTF map in 5 seconds.

2) UNABLE INVINCIBLE RESPAWN at the middle of the map
Indeed, a triple pally team is just.... invincible..

3) Spectral Paws weren't nerfed O.O.. and liquidate price is still the same..
Please, nerf it, it is way better than any other wands.

If some more ideas come out, I'll post them here.

Thanks for all, and cya

[tHelonestud]

3) Spectral Paws weren't nerfed O.O.. and liquidate price is still the same..
Please, nerf it, it is way better than any other wands.

The 2012 dolls werent nerfed either
Actually I don't think any of the shields were nerfed, I guess they weren't as overpowered though

[Hook]

[QUOTE=Chickenrunnn:1260480]Justg & Dev team, Ty for the Nerf's, but I don't fully agree with some you did .


1) Since you lowered Birds buffes, you should have lowered the damage of the end game gears.
Indeed, staff mages, pallies, bears, etc.. EVERYONE can 1 shot birds now...
PLEASE, if you leave the buffed-nerfed that way, LOWER the damage for end game! OR increase HP, because oneshots are OP.
Dodge was the only way for birds to live before.
If you do so (lower damage/increase HP), lower the rhino heal, because even 3vs1, rhino full str won't die.

All classes got debuffed. Not just bird.

[Chickenrunnn]

Justg & Dev team, Ty for the Nerf's, but I don't fully agree with some you did .


1) Since you lowered Birds buffes, you should have lowered the damage of the end game gears.
Indeed, staff mages, pallies, bears, etc.. EVERYONE can 1 shot birds now...
PLEASE, if you leave the buffed-nerfed that way, LOWER the damage for end game! OR increase HP, because oneshots are OP.
Dodge was the only way for birds to live before.
If you do so (lower damage/increase HP), lower the rhino heal, because even 3vs1, rhino full str won't die.

All classes got debuffed. Not just bird.

Eh, mage hitting 634 is nerfed? The point isn't to nerf classes (except rhino with heals and fox, lowering the dashes), but to nerf items.

The 2012 dolls werent nerfed either
Actually I don't think any of the shields were nerfed, I guess they weren't as overpowered though

A shield isn't like a weapon.. Weapon nerfed is more important than shield I think

[Roberto077]

All classes got debuffed. Not just bird.

Birds have no survivability though.

[Gragorak]

In addition, fox are very OP now, you should lower the foreword dash (dash less far), because they have an hyptonize to bring people to them. Moreover, they could cros CTF map in 5 seconds.

Congratulations, you're the first person ever to complain about foxes being too OP. Please make one and tell me how "OP" they are.

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Yeah, paws and halloween shields weren't nerfed. Paws should obviously be nerfed, and so should be shields too IMO. They're just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields.

[tHelonestud]

A shield isn't like a weapon.. Weapon nerfed is more important than shield I think

That's what I realized, I mean they are quite better than other shields, but not a huge damage difference than the weapons, I don't really mind if they stay the same
I don't really think fox or rhino need nerfed at all, rhino are very tough with heal, but they also have much lower damage. If you play an FFA one team will win. Maybe the dashes shouldn't work without a target in range but besides that fox and rhino is fine. Most overpowered 1v1 skills I would definitely say rage and hellscream just give a bear a bow and he can auto people with those two skills.

[Zapoke]

Most overpowered 1v1 skills I would definitely say rage and hellscream just give a bear a bow and he can auto people with those two skills.

I'd say it's Rage, Mana Shield, and Drain. Hellscream is good, but I'd take a Hellscream before I'd take a Crushing Blow (if I had the choice).

[tHelonestud]

I'd say it's Rage, Mana Shield, and Drain. Hellscream is good, but I'd take a Hellscream before I'd take a Crushing Blow (if I had the choice).

maybe I am just looking from bow bear perspective: I can hellscream the same time anyone else uses a skill drastically knock down their damage as well as combining a blind proc from my bow knocking anything but birds and foxes to below 50% chance of hitting, not to mention the stun

[Trenton]

All I have to say is: Birds:/

[Bous]

Congratulations, you're the first person ever to complain about foxes being too OP. Please make one and tell me how "OP" they are.

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Yeah, paws and halloween shields weren't nerfed. Paws should obviously be nerfed, and so should be shields too IMO. They're just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields.

Forreal so there would actually be some rare items like toys sbls l15 ginger and so on all it still is is paws and fbows from lvl 10-25

[Roberto077]

Congratulations, you're the first person ever to complain about foxes being too OP. Please make one and tell me how "OP" they are.

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Yeah, paws and halloween shields weren't nerfed. Paws should obviously be nerfed, and so should be shields too IMO. They're just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields.

OP oyster.

[Whatsinaname]

. Paws should obviously be nerfed, and so should be shields too IMO. They're just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields.

OMG! But I just sold my Forgotten Bows to Buy a level 30 Paw! Now thats gotta be nerfed also? STOP THE INSANITY! The redistribution (nerfing) of weapon stats because someone didn't chose to make a build to use them has to have its reasonable limits. If Paws are "just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields" then don't buy a winter fest shield for PVP! Have you also noticed that all the pink stuff is way too powerful when compared to all the white stuff? By this logic should all pinks should be nerd down to white to make the playing field even? If your build and equipment doesn't beat my build equipment, change your build and equipment. Lord knows plenty of players found ways to beat me when I was using a Forgotten Bow and Plenty a Bear can Beckon Stomp before do much damage with a Paw. I guess some people just want to win every time and are willing to "level the playing field" until they do win every time.

It this goes too far we all might as well be playing "Rock, Paper, Scissors"

[Reunegade]

OMG! But I just sold my Forgotten Bows to Buy a level 30 Paw! Now thats gotta be nerfed also? STOP THE INSANITY! The redistribution (nerfing) of weapon stats because someone didn't chose to make a build to use them has to have its reasonable limits. If Paws are "just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields" then don't buy a winter fest shield for PVP! Have you also noticed that all the pink stuff is way too powerful when compared to all the white stuff? By this logic should all pinks should be nerd down to white to make the playing field even? If your build and equipment doesn't beat my build equipment, change your build and equipment. Lord knows plenty of players found ways to beat me when I was using a Forgotten Bow and Plenty a Bear can Beckon Stomp before do much damage with a Paw. I guess some people just want to win every time and are willing to "level the playing field" until they do win every time.

Um, I don't think it is fair that a green 'Spectral' paw is better than a pink paw by 15+ damage. StG nerfed the pink ones but forgot to nerf some other ones.

[Roberto077]

OMG! But I just sold my Forgotten Bows to Buy a level 30 Paw! Now thats gotta be nerfed also? STOP THE INSANITY! The redistribution (nerfing) of weapon stats because someone didn't chose to make a build to use them has to have its reasonable limits. If Paws are "just way too powerful when compared to winter fest shields" then don't buy a winter fest shield for PVP! Have you also noticed that all the pink stuff is way too powerful when compared to all the white stuff? By this logic should all pinks should be nerd down to white to make the playing field even? If your build and equipment doesn't beat my build equipment, change your build and equipment. Lord knows plenty of players found ways to beat me when I was using a Forgotten Bow and Plenty a Bear can Beckon Stomp before do much damage with a Paw. I guess some people just want to win every time and are willing to "level the playing field" until they do win every time.

You forgot to say that halloween items are way more powerful than any set in low levels. Winterfest items aren't the best for low level even when compared to some weapons like platinum talons. We all expected halloween and forgotten items to be nerfed. There is no insanity going on here.