Fix Str/savage?

[largecommand]

Lets take this back a few caps. Sewer cap, bird op, a custom set can easily kill a bear, break root shat blast, dead, there was alot of custom mages as i remember. Dex was most powerful

Nuri cap, the demo mace set was op in any hands. Even a str mage can win against a int mage. So str was the most powerful. But a good int mage could have a pretty good chance against bear and bird.

Mount fang cap, crafted lilith was soooooo tanky. Plus high damage. All a mage had to do it steal fire ice a bird to win. Lucky if bird dodges. So int is the most powerfull here.

The 71 cap I wasn't here for it so i wouldn't know. As far as I have seen at 66, either str or dex is the most powerful.

Now at the current cap. At first dex was VERY op. 1 blast would kill anything not str. After the nerf savage became op.

So if we tally everything up..

Dex: 2, sewer and early bsm, maybe 3 because of 71 cap.
Str: 2, nuri and current cap.
Int: 1, maybe nuri too.

Now every cap has its own "most powerful". But it should be most powerful in its own class. I.e int-mage str-bear dex-bird

Also the gap shouldn't be too big like the current cap.

[KevinDotson]

Once we get the AL expansion out the door, we'll have some more time in the schedule to make another pvp balance pass.

As long as all this just affects pvp I'm ok with it but I only pve so nerfing specs to make me weaker in game is unnecessary. That last buff/debuff rebalance still stings in pve

[Daueden]

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

My bird does just fine and I like the challenge

[fourleaf]

Lets take this back a few caps. Sewer cap, bird op, a custom set can easily kill a bear, break root shat blast, dead, there was alot of custom mages as i remember. Dex was most powerful

Now at the current cap. At first dex was VERY op. 1 blast would kill anything not str. After the nerf savage became op.

So if we tally everything up..

Dex: 2, sewer and early bsm, maybe 3 because of 71 cap.
Str: 2, nuri and current cap.
Int: 1, maybe nuri too.

Now every cap has its own "most powerful". But it should be most powerful in its own class. I.e int-mage str-bear dex-bird

Also the gap shouldn't be too big like the current cap.

Problem is this cap has been so long
I think at 71 str bear was slightly stronger but over all it was pretty close, its not like str was so strong the majority of mages were using it

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

Was I the only bear that never felt weaker than birds at start of blacksmoke?
as soon as I saw that rank 9 hellscream.

all that decreased was the number of times birds avoided get 2 skill comboed.
Yeh bears should be able to land beckon more, but they aren't supposed to have that much dmg, they should have more armor and health points instead

I think now pallies are actually tougher than before nerf, first because over all dmg got nerfed so they take less, but they still heal the same amount, and second because birds had their dodge crit and hit drastically reduced, bears lost some dodge and a good amount of crit, pallies only lost their crit

[FFA]

Once we get the AL expansion out the door, we'll have some more time in the schedule to make another pvp balance pass.

Thank you for caring!
First make al cap. then make pl new cap. Then fix pvp

[FortalWao]

Daueden, they're just not dodging.
Usually, 3PC, 2PC, dragon dodged ringed pallies with savage dodge alot. Either that pallies you fight dont dodge/arent good, or stg luvs u right now.
I still find it ironic that a dodge debuffs can be dodged.

And thanks Sam!

My Mage is 2pc and doesn't dodge once I get rooted, it's not hard to land a root and win a pally/bear

Yes except for bird dies on 2 hits and you have to land like 5000000000 hits to kill a bear because of regen/armor/hp/dodge which is unlikely since if beckon hits you, you're done and if you dodge it, they still got hs and if you dodge even that, they beckon you away and run regen behind a tree (well that's what I'd do). If you are str and you still lose to birds most of the time... Perhaps it's not that birds are strong... It's that you're weak.

[Ssneakykills]

Wrong get your facts straight....my pally has 660 health with 45 dodge....any bird that knows how to root and shatter blast can kill a pally not that hard

Go int Mage then pally is all skill spamming and that's it

[Daueden]

Go int Mage then pally is all skill spamming and that's it

I was int for 3 caps plus the majority of black smoke so I know how to use Int just fine....and pally is not all skill spamming

[NotYoCookiez]

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

noooo. Int mages are feeling the rotted end of the deal. Bears can pull stomp and kill int mages.

[fourleaf]

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

noooo. Int mages are feeling the rotted end of the deal. Bears can pull stomp and kill int mages.

agreed
dex bear can beckon stomp slash and kill int mage fully buffed with ms

[Ssneakykills]

I was int for 3 caps plus the majority of black smoke so I know how to use Int just fine....and pally is not all skill spamming

Pretty sure the majority of pallys spam skills. You probably don't notice becasue your a op pally yourself..

[Draebatad]

As long as all this just affects pvp I'm ok with it but I only pve so nerfing specs to make me weaker in game is unnecessary...

+1 - completely agree with you on this!

Once we get the AL expansion out the door, we'll have some more time in the schedule to make another pvp balance pass.

Please focus on a PL expansion and feature enhancements to the guild system - I will address the latter in another topic entirely,

Kind Regards

[Jhawkeye]

But does foxes and rhinos though?

[FFA]

Al cap has been out for a while. Are we working on the nerf?

[largecommand]

Doubt they are since they haven't made a thread about the opinion of the community: whay exactly they want nerfed.
They did this last time Before THE GREAT NeRF

[Mister Smith]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Lol

[Zektrin]

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

Lol, nah man.. theyre are only a few pures out there that know what theyre doing.. and the majority of endgame pvp is all pallys or birds, im not complaining about birds at all, but pallys hitting a 300 drain on me while buffed is outragous. i think pure int mages get it the hadest before anything.

[fourleaf]

Lmao, its basicly just birds complaining about savage, you guys were op for so long when bsm dropped

Lol, nah man.. theyre are only a few pures out there that know what theyre doing.. and the majority of endgame pvp is all pallys or birds, im not complaining about birds at all, but pallys hitting a 300 drain on me while buffed is outragous. i think pure int mages get it the hadest before anything.

its ridiculous because they gave the highest dmg weapon(bows this cap) to a class with out giving it the lowest armor(int this cap)

[Schnitzel]

Back in 2010-ish time

3 classes
Bear: Defense class
Bird: Damage class
Mage: Support class

Now it feels like this
Bear: Damage AND Defense
Bird: Still damage
Mage (Pallies): Damage AND Defense