Mages in PvP

[Trenton]

I don't see why people say mages suck, I get it when they say they DID suck, but now, mages do have a fighting chance. Maybe not the best in 1v1 against warriors, but in a 5v5 clash, mages kick ***.

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[Nesox]

So after six seasons it seems your initial description is still correct. Mages are viewed as usesful by other classes if they are the self sacrificing type who work to keep their team alive but dont expect to score much. Otherwise I would not say "completely useless" is correct, but to state that we are still the "most useless" of classes would be 100% correct.

[Neutrone]

From what I see this is being based on majority of mages however there actually many skilled mages out there in pvp. So I don't really think we should say "mages" like every single Mage in arcane legends is weak. Infact what I realised is that:

Rogues are more capable of beating warriors.

Sorcerers are more capable of beating rogues. (If your not then train and practice new combos)

Warriors are more capable of beating sorcerers.

This is all possible from lvls 10 and up where tarlok equipment is sort of like the mythic in end lvl pvp.

As solid said people just aren't using sorcerers right.

[Neutrone]

So after six seasons it seems your initial description is still correct. Mages are viewed as usesful by other classes if they are the self sacrificing type who work to keep their team alive but dont expect to score much. Otherwise I would not say "completely useless" is correct, but to state that we are still the "most useless" of classes would be 100% correct.

Being able to beat rogues who have many spots on LB doesn't really make us the most "completely useless class" but rather the "most stupid" and has the "laziest" people not occupying a good spot on ctf kills (were even better flaggers). I find it ironic cuz our primary stat is "intelligence"

[Xbadboyx]

To keep the other two's classes KDR positive? Yessir!

nope , ask alhuntrazeck he will tell u lmao!

[Bless]

So after six seasons it seems your initial description is still correct. Mages are viewed as usesful by other classes if they are the self sacrificing type who work to keep their team alive but dont expect to score much. Otherwise I would not say "completely useless" is correct, but to state that we are still the "most useless" of classes would be 100% correct.

Being able to beat rogues who have many spots on LB doesn't really make us the most "completely useless class" but rather the "most stupid" and has the "laziest" people not occupying a good spot on ctf kills (were even better flaggers). I find it ironic cuz our primary stat is "intelligence"

Wow neutrone....preach!!

[falmear]

I'm gonna necro some old threads. Seems like people will respond to anything.

[Neutrone]

Wow neutrone....preach!!

Lmao

[kinzmet]

Is there any mage at all at PVP LB? (kills or flag)

[Neutrone]

Is there any mage at all at PVP LB? (kills or flag)

Tongsmash Mage No.4 TDM kills

[Neutrone]

Ill check and mention the rest

[kinzmet]

Tongsmash Mage No.4 TDM kills

So mages can rank in LB after all, so the term "useless" is not a right description then.

[Neutrone]

So mages can rank in LB after all, so the term "useless" is not a right description then.

Yep :thumbup:

[Nesox]

I did not say "useless", I said "most useless." One mage in top 25 CTF kills and just three in TDM.

[Bless]

I did not say "useless", I said "most useless." One mage in top 25 CTF kills and just three in TDM.

There are single class LBs, you can find 25 sorcs

[Zeus]

There are single class LBs, you can find 25 sorcs

Even if sorcerers were complete and utter nubs with 1 attack damage, you would still find 25 sorcerers in the sorcerer category leaderboard, lol. Your point is...? Nesox has a very valid point. Flagging for a mage is even worse!

[Bless]

There are single class LBs, you can find 25 sorcs

Even if sorcerers were complete and utter nubs with 1 attack damage, you would still find 25 sorcerers in the sorcerer category leaderboard, lol. Your point is...? Nesox has a very valid point. Flagging for a mage is even worse!

If they are using LBs as an indication of skill/balance, it's invalid evidence, there are other factors involved, for example, rogues have more kills because they are a pure single target class (sp, aim, nox). Mages have been given buffs on gale to give them the extra dash, one of the reasons mages are behind on flags is because warriors and rogues got way too many flags pre-buff (when mages were so slow) so they cannot catch up now. New flagging system is ideally for tanks.

As for the top 25 single class categories on the LB, you still get banners don't you? Why complain? You can compete with other sorcs..

[falmear]

If they are using LBs as an indication of skill/balance, it's invalid evidence, there are other factors involved, for example, rogues have more kills because they are a pure single target class (sp, aim, nox). Mages have been given buffs on gale to give them the extra dash, one of the reasons mages are behind on flags is because warriors and rogues got way too many flags pre-buff (when mages were so slow) so they cannot catch up now. New flagging system is ideally for tanks.

As for the top 25 single class categories on the LB, you still get banners don't you? Why complain? You can compete with other sorcs..

Mages have been historically underpowered. You can go back to the very first posts of this message board and its the same complaints. And there was a HUGE resistance to give mages dash forward. We had dash backwards which was absolutely useless. No one class has been messed up more and had more changes then mages. Sorry when I start seeing in 5v5 CTF clashes at the end of a match that mages have the most kills, you got no legs to stand on. If we have AOE & Crowd control then we should own 5v5 clashes but we don't. So start producing screen shots where mages get the most kills in 5v5 CTF then we can talk.

As for flagging, it is what it is. If you want people to play real CTF then these changes need to be made. But they should also make more team oriented with other stats like flag assists & flag returns. But STS takes the approach like you broke your leg and you go see your doctor and he gives you an aspirin and doesn't fix your leg tells you to go home because Rome wasn't build in a day.

[Fear]

Mages have been historically underpowered. You can go back to the very first posts of this message board and its the same complaints. And there was a HUGE resistance to give mages dash forward. We had dash backwards which was absolutely useless. No one class has been messed up more and had more changes then mages. Sorry when I start seeing in 5v5 CTF clashes at the end of a match that mages have the most kills, you got no legs to stand on. If we have AOE & Crowd control then we should own 5v5 clashes but we don't. So start producing screen shots where mages get the most kills in 5v5 CTF then we can talk.

As for flagging, it is what it is. If you want people to play real CTF then these changes need to be made. But they should also make more team oriented with other stats like flag assists & flag returns. But STS takes the approach like you broke your leg and you go see your doctor and he gives you an aspirin and doesn't fix your leg tells you to go home because Rome wasn't build in a day.

Mages were pretty op when pvp first started just saying

[Bless]

Mages have been historically underpowered. You can go back to the very first posts of this message board and its the same complaints. And there was a HUGE resistance to give mages dash forward. We had dash backwards which was absolutely useless. No one class has been messed up more and had more changes then mages. Sorry when I start seeing in 5v5 CTF clashes at the end of a match that mages have the most kills, you got no legs to stand on. If we have AOE & Crowd control then we should own 5v5 clashes but we don't. So start producing screen shots where mages get the most kills in 5v5 CTF then we can talk.

As for flagging, it is what it is. If you want people to play real CTF then these changes need to be made. But they should also make more team oriented with other stats like flag assists & flag returns. But STS takes the approach like you broke your leg and you go see your doctor and he gives you an aspirin and doesn't fix your leg tells you to go home because Rome wasn't build in a day.

you just proved my point, mages were historically underpowered and even if they are buffed with more survivability now it would be hard for them to catch up to the other class's LBs.