Elite dungeon No fun with pots

[Royce]

Guys if real elite maps aren't for you (and they shouldn't be for everybody, hence the title elite), then play Lost Expedition. Frozen Noghtmares was put there for people who want that extra challenge, who want to play maps where actual teamwork and strategy is required for success. Some people, believe it or not, enjoy the feeling of accomplishment from rising to a challenge. It's really too bad the the mindless hack and slash whiners got what they wanted here again, leaving us without any challenging team content in the game once again. It not about wanting to be elite or anything like that, it's just that some people find actual challenging gameplay a lot more fun than mindless button mashing

[Tsarra]

My only supposition is that I shouldn't die every time I round that first corner in FN, pots or no. Every time. I'd say 100 of the roughly 600 deaths I've enjoyed this past month were on that corner. Only once, with an enormous Level 50 group, did I ever see any other part of that area. Feel free to make fun if you like...there are probably some fundamental issues with trying to solo a pure mage build through elite areas, but the fights are so one-sided that I feel like I wasted my money. Not that I care, or really feel that way; every penny I've spent on this game has been worth it, as will all the ones I will spend going forward.

As an aside, if I COULD solo this area with my mage (and I haven't been in there since I hit 50 and picked up a full Keeper set), I imagine I'd feel pretty elite.

Edit: Ima try it.

[Tsarra]

The area is extremely difficult...but doable at Level 50 solo with a pure int mage. I'll shut up now.

Edit: As the whole point of this was about the potions, I will say that I didn't need them until the blue frost demon. With a group, I wouldn't need them at all.

[drewcapu]

I agree about it being a shame they added pots to FN, and I posted my thoughts in another thread. Sadly I don't think we'll see the dungeon returned to being "elite", so IMO they should just remove that title from it...

No need to to remove the whole title. Just one letter so that, instead of "Elite", it's just "Lite"

[Tsarra]

How about the game runs a check and enables pots if you're in there by yourself, but turns them off if you're grouped? Would that put the 'E' back in it for you guys?

[Ava]

Guys if real elite maps aren't for you (and they shouldn't be for everybody, hence the title elite), then play Lost Expedition. Frozen Noghtmares was put there for people who want that extra challenge, who want to play maps where actual teamwork and strategy is required for success. Some people, believe it or not, enjoy the feeling of accomplishment from rising to a challenge. It's really too bad the the mindless hack and slash whiners got what they wanted here again, leaving us without any challenging team content in the game once again. It not about wanting to be elite or anything like that, it's just that some people find actual challenging gameplay a lot more fun than mindless button mashing

Uhh, well, you have the choice of NOT using pots if you so desire the "challenge". There are other players who prefer to use it whenever they wish.

It's all a matter of CHOICE. Don't be such a bah humbug ya ?

[Royce]

Uhh, well, you have the choice of NOT using pots if you so desire the "challenge". There are other players who prefer to use it whenever they wish.

It's all a matter of CHOICE. Don't be such a bah humbug ya ?

I'm not being a "bah humbug", I'm just saying it's a shame the whiny button mashers get their way. Why are you even posting here, just enjoy trolling? There are people who don't think it's fun to breeze through a game without effort, obviously you are not one of them, but we are entitled to our opinions. The same argument you make could be turned right back against the whiners, if FN was too hawd for your wittle beaws and ewvs, the just go to LE, you don't have to play elite content if you find the challenge too much

[StompArtist]

I personally do not like using pots but the reason is that something is wrong with me brain. If I do pot up I die in 2 seconds sharp doing something utterly stupid... Dunno why but it happens every time.

[Fyrce]

I think for the average level 30s group, Nightmares IS elite. I wish it hadn't been nerfed and other things, but really, I've seen some average L30 groups in there and it's a really hard dungeon for them. They tell each other it's because it's for level 50s And then you see a group with a level 50 or two that also finds the dungeon hard and dies periodically.

Difficult, not super hard, but difficult.

[Ava]

I'm not being a "bah humbug", I'm just saying it's a shame the whiny button mashers get their way. Why are you even posting here, just enjoy trolling? There are people who don't think it's fun to breeze through a game without effort, obviously you are not one of them, but we are entitled to our opinions. The same argument you make could be turned right back against the whiners, if FN was too hawd for your wittle beaws and ewvs, the just go to LE, you don't have to play elite content if you find the challenge too much

Ahh, I see, you want the the dungeons to be "Exclusive", not just elite. Only the rich and strong plays here aye ? Well then too bad, I paid for it anyway, wasn't an "exclusive" choice for me.
So yes, i shall play however I wish.

Wanna some cheese to go with the whine ?

When I feel like it, I'd go take my level 10 into that "elite" dungeon, OR I can take my level 50 toon and go raid that low level "elite" map just to feel all powerful, not.

So you see, you have the choice of how you wanna play, why are you so insistent in restricting how others can play ?

[Lesrider]

Lol I'm having fun reading this troll fest. The problem is that this game starts one way, stays that way for months, and then suddenly the devs change it drastically. If they would make the changes early on, people could decide whether or not it's for them, etc. But these changes (usually nerfs) come after people have already been enjoying it one way.
It happens to each campaign. Just wish the devs would make up their minds earlier.

Personally, I don't own FN, but I can see where Royce and others are coming from. Drastic changes like this should not come such a long time after it's already been released.

[Royce]

Ahh, I see, you want the the dungeons to be "Exclusive", not just elite. Only the rich and strong plays here aye ? Well then too bad, I paid for it anyway, wasn't an "exclusive" choice for me.
So yes, i shall play however I wish.

Wanna some cheese to go with the whine ?

When I feel like it, I'd go take my level 10 into that "elite" dungeon, OR I can take my level 50 toon and go raid that low level "elite" map just to feel all powerful, not.

So you see, you have the choice of how you wanna play, why are you so insistent in restricting how others can play ?

You are totally missing the point. I played some great games with groups of all 30s, and we did just fine and had a good time. Yes I think truly elite content should not be for everyone, only good players, who want to use strategy and teamwork. That was the whole intent of this campaign, to give something challenging to the players who crave it. I shouldn't have to make up my own rules to have fun and be challenged. Anyway, gratz troll, you are truly an accomplishe troll. Even the great trolls of all time would be impressed by your ignorance and ability to annoy. As a prize you are only the third person in nearly a year to make my forum ignore list. Have a nice trollish life.

[Ava]

You are totally missing the point. I played some great games with groups of all 30s, and we did just fine and had a good time. Yes I think truly elite content should not be for everyone, only good players, who want to use strategy and teamwork. That was the whole intent of this campaign, to give something challenging to the players who crave it. I shouldn't have to make up my own rules to have fun and be challenged. Anyway, gratz troll, youare truly an accomplishe troll. Even the great trolls of all time would be impressed by your ignorance and ability to annoy. As a prize you are only the third person in nearly a year to make my forum ignore list. Have a nice trollish life.

Tsk tsk, all the name calling during a disagreement. How sad the world has become.

[StompArtist]

Ahh, I see, you want the the dungeons to be "Exclusive", not just elite. Only the rich and strong plays here aye ? Well then too bad, I paid for it anyway, wasn't an "exclusive" choice for me.
So yes, i shall play however I wish.

Wanna some cheese to go with the whine ?

When I feel like it, I'd go take my level 10 into that "elite" dungeon, OR I can take my level 50 toon and go raid that low level "elite" map just to feel all powerful, not.

So you see, you have the choice of how you wanna play, why are you so insistent in restricting how others can play ?

Everyone can play as they wish within the confine and framework of the game. This includes potions, booting, running around the dungeon spamming "look at me I am nekkid" or whatever else you may feel like doing. The game is also designed for the person who has started the dungeon to boot other people out FOR WHATEVER reason they may have. This includes "just because they can". This is how the game was designed. So yep you can play your way but expect other players to do the same and this may include not playing with you. No big deal I am sure there is plenty of players that do not like playing with me. Doesn't bother me one bit.

[Ava]

Lol I'm having fun reading this troll fest. The problem is that this game starts one way, stays that way for months, and then suddenly the devs change it drastically. If they would make the changes early on, people could decide whether or not it's for them, etc. But these changes (usually nerfs) come after people have already been enjoying it one way.
It happens to each campaign. Just wish the devs would make up their minds earlier.

Personally, I don't own FN, but I can see where Royce and others are coming from. Drastic changes like this should not come such a long time after it's already been released.

Always the Devs fault aye ? Not really.

They did what they need to do , to keep as many players happy as possible. Not just the fanatics you see.

In the beginning, PL fanatics had their run, now let the casuals play. Whats wrong with that ?

[Ava]

Everyone can play as they wish within the confine and framework of the game. This includes potions, booting, running around the dungeon spamming "look at me I am nekkid" or whatever else you may feel like doing. The game is also designed for the person who has started the dungeon to boot other people out FOR WHATEVER reason they may have. This includes "just because they can". This is how the game was designed. So yep you can play your way but expect other players to do the same and this may include not playing with you. No big deal I am sure there is plenty of players that do not like playing with me. Doesn't bother me one bit.

U got it right dude.

[Lesrider]

Always the Devs fault aye ? Not really.

They did what they need to do , to keep as many players happy as possible. Not just the fanatics you see.

In the beginning, PL fanatics had their run, now let the casuals play. Whats wrong with that ?

Um, yes. Everything is the devs' fault. Both the good and the bad. Last time I checked, they're the only ones with the ability to change the game in any way. The players can suggest, give feedback, whine, praise. But in the end it's all up to the devs what happens. So who else would you blame/congratulate for these things?

As for Letting casuals play -- the entire game is for casual players!!! They nerf every map to make it for casuL players! People who prefer a bigger challenge should be allowed to keep the one map that offers that challenge.

And people should not have tocreate their own hallenges in the game -- that's just dumb. In any game, no matter how hard or easy, people are always going to try to find the easiest and fastest way to succeed in it. Why would you make it harder for yourself for no reason? If the rewards were better for playing naked or without pots, that would be one thing. But if potters and non-potters get the same rewards, why would you make it herder onyourself so it takes you longer to get the reward than others.

It's like saying -- "I want to make this game more challenging, so I'm going to stay at lvl 1 and play all the maps that way." It makes no sense. Why would anyone do it?

[StompArtist]

Ok I don't even understand why there is a debate here... No one can force anyone else to pot up!

[Royce]

Ok I don't even understand why there is a debate here... No one can force anyone else to pot up!

The discussion is about health and mana pots not elixers. Originally health and mana pots could not be used on elite maps, though there were health and mana orb pickups. Unfortunately, like everything truly challenging in this game, it was nerfed and now they are allowed there.

[Ava]

Um, yes. Everything is the devs' fault. Both the good and the bad. Last time I checked, they're the only ones with the ability to change the game in any way. The players can suggest, give feedback, whine, praise. But in the end it's all up to the devs what happens. So who else would you blame/congratulate for these things?

As for Letting casuals play -- the entire game is for casual players!!! They nerf every map to make it for casuL players! People who prefer a bigger challenge should be allowed to keep the one map that offers that challenge.

And people should not have tocreate their own hallenges in the game -- that's just dumb. In any game, no matter how hard or easy, people are always going to try to find the easiest and fastest way to succeed in it. Why would you make it harder for yourself for no reason? If the rewards were better for playing naked or without pots, that would be one thing. But if potters and non-potters get the same rewards, why would you make it herder onyourself so it takes you longer to get the reward than others.

It's like saying -- "I want to make this game more challenging, so I'm going to stay at lvl 1 and play all the maps that way." It makes no sense. Why would anyone do it?

Poor Devs, I'd give them a hug. It's damn if you do, and damn if you don't.

First, it's about rewards (devs) , then it's about the challenge (player)..... So, it's really about the reward ain't it ? Is it worth it ? Is it better than what others get ? The competition !!!!

Why couldn't players create their own challenges in the game ? Who's stopping you ? Yourself. Did the devs says " NO running around naked". " Mandatory POT usage in this map". " Mandatory cyber armor ONLY". " Enter at your OWN risk". No they didn't.

Now the rewards.. that's what truly defines this game isn't it ? Heck those AO quests are causing my thumb blisters. That's plenty of torture for some good stuff. Yes ?