I have to agree with Bless.
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I have to agree with Bless.
Lol if breeze can freeze, mages can be able to freeze to. End of story. I'm sick to see EVERY skill of a mage gettin converted into a PET!!!
Why every rogue is so scared that freeze would come back? You rogues cleary dominate in pvp. Now they even made breeze to freeze your target that you can kill everyone in 1 combo. Is that fair?
I would have a chance kill some players with freeze, I quited endgame pvp because i can't follow in gear, I'm half myth/legendary, everyone who see me in pvp go Always after me because i'm the most 'EASY' target 'food'.
With freeze on ice i would have a chance of winning or running away (if not freezed by breeze)
Thats from a mage view my kdr is so negative.. I'm so scared to log into my 41 mage everyone who see my kdr starts whine about it. There is noway i can get my kdr positive with rogues usin breeze. So i rather stay at twink
I would LOVE to comeback at endgame. The time i was Purple thunder was the best time ive ever had. Then new gears came at a crazy rate and i can't follow (gold wise) Thats where i left 41.
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Lvl 17 Piranhia
These are quite high percantages to break free. It could make freeze useless after update again (50% chance every 0,5 sec practicaly means that no player will stuned for entire duration). It seems appropriate that player which break free from freeze has lowered imunity with same percentage.- During the freeze, about every .5 seconds there will be a X% chance for the trapped player to break free. This would likely be around 25% or 33%, but could go as high as 50% depending on the maximum length of the freeze.
For example, if percentage to break free is 25%, then for the rest of the stun immunity period of 7.5 sec this player has 25% chance to get freezed again (of course calculated every 0.5 seconds for the suposed duration of the freeze effect).
We reached the bottom of the crises but don't worry - we are still digging.
Correct me if im wrong in here...
From the intent of introduction of Breeze's ability... I think it connects to Remiem's thread in Sorcerers Section on "When is Mage Buff Coming"?..
Through Breeze's ability i think we can see the picture connecting to the Statement here "What Happens if Mages get their Freeze ability back"
So Breeze's ability, as i may see, is giving a future picture on a part of incoming Mage buff...
Last edited by Linkincena; 12-22-2014 at 11:02 AM.
For me, freeze is a good alternative buff for mage's squishiness(it's like wet bathroom tissue. Honestly want more hp or armor. )
Having its own 10sec immune out of stun immune, about 30%chance of 2 sec freeze with 50% chance of break sounds reasonable because frostbolt cd is pretty short and it's aoe attack.
Only thing I don't like about this is that pvp has too much stun and panic already. Too much stun makes game bored. (And other bugs that sts might bring up..)
Except that cara has good concept of freeze I think.
Let's not cry that we can't kill this class as before. They aren't supposed to kill other class naturally(well, rogue were), but if the freeze immune works properly, it's not gonna be that bad.
Or just more armor and hp are fine for me too. Xp
And keep breeze freeze in its own 10sec immune to keep its value. This freeze should not stack.
Last edited by Excuses; 12-22-2014 at 11:24 AM.
Aegis
We will be re-analyzing Breeze once we get back from the Holidays (January 5th.) I can not speak just yet about what exactly those changes will be, but we've got our eye on it.
Wow pvp players world wide rejoice... minus the few with only breeze and legendaries who were all of sudden killing ringed players with S&S o.O
I lol@pvp but I have to say I can't imagine players with breeze really thought that was how a legendary pet was supposed to work... when all of us saw or heard that was what was happening we knew it had to be a mistake.
Last edited by notfaded1; 12-22-2014 at 02:19 PM.
rogue ~ retired GM Enigmatic
As in all businesses, once you launch something it is detrimental to recall it. Just like in the car manufacturering business, mass recall due to QA or whatever problem says a lot about the company and organisation. Good car manufacturers rarely have to do that.
There is definitely some OP issues with breeze and having it ensures almost 100% victory in 1 v1 situations and a high percentage in clashes is seriously wrong. On the other hand, to nerf it to the point of being a sorc / mage pet is also not right given the 120 planar fragments price tag. It's not an easy task to farm for an average player.
Lastly, even with the recent shield buff (thank you very much STG) our mages still face significant issues in balance. No doubt the fully geared mage can hold its ground in pvp, but the basic issue of a legendary warrior / rogue still having an almost certain victory over a similar legendary mage still persist. I care for the mage community in general so that is why even after the buffs at the top end of mage has happened I want to remind you that there are still flaws fundamental to the class itself. I agree that the mage skill nerf on crowd control in pvp is the reason this class is so underpowered.
@Bless
Like all situations there are always
counters, just experiment and think harder. So what if freeze was returned (look at the word here it means to restore and not bluntly given)? Mages were meant to be the CC class. So use ironhide pet / misty pet to remove stun. Walk the talk if you say pvp is not a 1 v1 game. Have someone sacrifice and use such a pet for the benefit of the rest. Sure with misty and ironhide you are not going to get a lot of kills but that's a team player no?
Walk the talk and think very very carefully before you make a suggestion and claim something like pvp is not about 1 v 1. Because that scenario happens a lot in pvp. Maybe because I always join tdm against groups that stack at the start, I dunno.
The vote back on... I hope all Sorcs vote for Mage Freeze in pvp
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Why should mages have a freeze ability? So that rogues and tanks would avoid it with razor/jug/mist? So that mages would cry afterwards to give them a legit buff?
Like I said before: Just remove freeze from pvp overall. Its ironic how y'all think backwards, you want to bring more luck and fluke instead of skill into the game, yet want to 'fix' or 'balance' pvp at the same time...
You wanna walk the talk? Then give feedback on new skills or group combos instead of supporting another OP luck factor.
Last edited by Bless; 12-22-2014 at 07:57 PM.
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I'd rather have no freezing in PvP than having mages get freeze. Simply because this would be way too OP and PvP was doing fine till Breeze showed up. Rogues with Breeze are literally unstoppable in a 1v1 scenario (and there's no running from it, 1v1s are a major part of PvP) as the 7 seconds freeze is enough to down literally ANYTHING. IMO, this is unfair.
On another tangent, mages should get an armor boost. Rogues have ~500 armor more so they do not have such a hard time in PvP. Increasing base armor stats by say 100-200 will do wonders. Rogues shouldn't be able to have higher damage AND armor than mages. (Not talking about damage stat, output damage - ever seen a mage score a 4k crit on one attack?) Let's ignore shield for a second because it 100% will not last the full time in clashes unless you're like versus a team in commons, and think about it a bit. Mages should have a comparable armor boost to make us less squishy, and will make shield less of a norm vs, say, warriors.
Just my $.02, let's wait for STS's decision.
if stun and freeze immunity are different, then a toon without impairing immunity are dead already ( dont expect razor and jugg it has long cd !) Fire-Freeze-Panic pet + elon proc etc etc .. u cant move, a warrior with 25% stun chance and a samael still can easily stunlock this day, imagine a mage with 100% stun chance + FREEZE, and please dont talk about mage's squishyness, rogue will die very first in a clash if their tank cant heal, believe me this is true
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