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Yes, but you kind of did
And I'm never (or very very rarely) upset, but I never write my posts in rage, as I like to think trough on what I'm posting.
That is a very valid point, that I wouldn't hesitate to agree with a few months ago (back when I thought Frozen was just like the rest of mediocre Disney films). I discuss a lot about movies, I do my research on them. I try to watch at least one movie per 2 days and I think my knowledge on movies helps me shape my opinions and therefore they are valid. I am not however saying that you have to agree with them.
That being said, Frozen is a masterpiece if viewed from certain perspectives. It made well over a billion in profits, so it's definitely a masterpiece from a marketing perspective. It's also a masterpiece from the animation perspective and from a musical perspective, as it won oscars and other awards for those. But a movie as a whole, I see how calling this animated film intended for children, a masterpiece could be very insulting to live-action cinema. You see, I'm a reasonable person, not some fan-boy lunatic (well, that's just for the image and it's fun). But I personally would call Frozen a masterpiece, and I don't care if I'm giving an opinion that many disagree with. I just connected with this movie emotionally, I completely get the protagonists and what they're going trough. I just think that if more people could identify themselves with the characters, their experience would be enormously different. But the sad truth is that the majority of this society identifies itself more easily with muscular good-looking white males than vulnerable and yet strong young women.
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I said they're rolling in their graves. That isn't speaking for them in the slightest as I didn't attempt to give their opinion on the matter. Be wrong pls
Justin Bieber's concert tours also generated a metric butt-ton in profits. Profit is not a good measure as to whether or not a film is great, or even good. See Avatar or Night at the Museum. Meanwhile, films like Shawshank and Citizen Kane absolutely flopped.It made well over a billion in profits, so it's definitely a masterpiece from a marketing perspective.
Animation. As did Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit. Hardly a revolutionary film. I agree the animation is one of the few great qualities of the movie, but I don't classify them as out of this world. They're within the same realm as recent Pixar films. I would also say HTTYD2 entirely eclipsed Frozen's animation, despite only coming out 7 months later. As for music, that's something that is more subjective, but I don't consider any of the songs (including the only one it won an Oscar for) to be any more well-written than other Disney soundtracks.It's also a masterpiece from the animation perspective and from a musical perspective, as it won oscars and other awards for those.
This is pretty much my reason for debating this. Anyone can like any film, and I'm fine with that. Claiming a certain film as a cinematic masterpiece is something entirely different though. As for the last part, that's a whole different psychological discussion, but I don't think the super hero thing (assuming that's what you're referring to) is a matter of identifying with them, rather than it being a fantasy, which is what many films have always been. Even Frozen has that aspect for little girls. A pretty queen runs away and builds her own ice palace using her magical powers. I guarantee you a large majority of girls like the film for the fantasy aspect more so than them identifying with the characters.But a movie as a whole, I see how calling this animated film intended for children, a masterpiece could be very insulting to live-action cinema. You see, I'm a reasonable person, not some fan-boy lunatic (well, that's just for the image and it's fun). But I personally would call Frozen a masterpiece, and I don't care if I'm giving an opinion that many disagree with. I just connected with this movie emotionally, I completely get the protagonists and what they're going trough. I just think that if more people could identify themselves with the characters, their experience would be enormously different. But the sad truth is that the majority of this society identifies itself more easily with muscular good-looking white males than vulnerable and yet strong young women.
Disney bought Pixar LOL!
So ofc it'll be like recent Pixar films
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Well written. And I do not disagree with anything you have mentioned above, except on one thing. "Masterpiece" is a very loose word that depends on the standards and opinions of each individual, unless you go by the definition that masterpiece is a thing which majority of critics praise. My all-time favourite movie flopped at the box office completely (barely returned 50% of it's budget), half the critics can't stand it, and yet it is a masterpiece in my (and quite many others') eyes. So, obviously I would never go by that definition. I mentioned other aspects just to support my statement of Frozen being a masterpiece with something tangible as well, not just my opinions on it. That being said, my standards on calling something a masterpiece are not low.Justin Bieber's concert tours also generated a metric butt-ton in profits. Profit is not a good measure as to whether or not a film is great, or even good. See Avatar or Night at the Museum. Meanwhile, films like Shawshank and Citizen Kane absolutely flopped.
Animation. As did Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit. Hardly a revolutionary film. I agree the animation is one of the few great qualities of the movie, but I don't classify them as out of this world. They're within the same realm as recent Pixar films. I would also say HTTYD2 entirely eclipsed Frozen's animation, despite only coming out 7 months later. As for music, that's something that is more subjective, but I don't consider any of the songs (including the only one it won an Oscar for) to be any more well-written than other Disney soundtracks.
This is pretty much my reason for debating this. Anyone can like any film, and I'm fine with that. Claiming a certain film as a cinematic masterpiece is something entirely different though.
I would argue that it is an identifying thing and that the fantasy element just helps to speed up the process and makes it easier, but then again none of us has that much knowledge on psychology and media impact on the society.As for the last part, that's a whole different psychological discussion, but I don't think the super hero thing (assuming that's what you're referring to) is a matter of identifying with them, rather than it being a fantasy, which is what many films have always been. Even Frozen has that aspect for little girls. A pretty queen runs away and builds her own ice palace using her magical powers. I guarantee you a large majority of girls like the film for the fantasy aspect more so than them identifying with the characters.
Bottom line, can't you just let me love Frozen for the original masterpiece that it is in my eyes?
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