Endgame Tank

[Mothwing]

My corcern is providing the OP with a competent build that fits his liking.

There are 3 experienced mages in this thread saying your build is bad as well as two more in kik agreeing with me right now, and yet you're still trying to defend it.

Or are you now the best 80 mage without even having an 80 mage? Because FYI 56 mage is nothing like 80 mage.

[Rebula]

My mage ceased being a paladin a while ago, it was changed about a month ago to Pure Dex. I've played Pure Dex, Str/Dex, Str/Int, Pure Int, and Half Int/Dex Mage. You speak as if I've never tested or tried different things which is quite odd, since you do not know me nor ever played me except in Endgame(Which is the only thing you do as you told me?).

You're not of my concern. My corcern is providing the OP with a competent build that fits his liking. Pure STR will never be the same as Pure DEX, so I found it astounding how you argue it to be. I've played endgame for quite a while, so I believe my advice is irrefutable, you've yet to provide concrete reasoning. In fact, out of all of you, Xyzther is the one giving me the most noteworthy replies.

Yes I've played you in endgame

[Huskybird]

Best Build for Bird. Try it out.

[Rebula]

Best Build for Bird. Try it out.

Lel nice build

[CHINDUSTER]

You mustn't understand the PL lingo of "tanking" then, because otherwise your entire argument is irrelevant.

The term "tanking" is the same for every and any game. Tanking is never nuking, and nuking is never tanking.

So why post a build you wouldn't use? I thought trolling was bad?

I would use it, if I were attempting to be a tank mage. Read please.

Because he's saying it could be a viable option if you're trying to be "tankiest"; by using weakness, you reduce damage of opponents to minimize damage you and others receive.

Still, though, he doesn't understand an "effective" tank in PL would not use this build, that 9 weakness is just dumb and that you're better off tanking with 9 nightmare. But what do I know, I just twink on my bear, I don't even play end game.

How does one "tank" with 9 nightmare? Ignoring the fact that weakness is 8m and nightmare is 6m, I specifically said that kiting is a key role towards tanking, I do not see your reasoning. Unless you're trying to say that killing your opponent is the ultimate way to being an "affective tank". In that case, he should go pure Dex, get an Arzac blaster set, and deal as much damage as he can.

I'm just saying if he were to use a tank mage, he wouldn't use that build. I mean he clearly wouldn't use a pure 80 mage if he has a 56 pally.

And I agree.

I noticed how you ignored my challenge. Truthfully everything you're saying now is not as relevant as your old posts, take your time.

I've thought about it more, this is it. This is as good as tanking gets. (If you're kiting like you say)

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Weakness > BoM, you need your debuffs to hit, losing a few damage on your drain isn't as significant as reducing the opponents dodge slightly so you can land a few more debuffs. If you have a logical refutation to this then please provide it. I really want to see how you think your initial build is better than this one. Remember, this is tanking, BoM is purely offense and doesn't help tanking at all (besides the slight boost to your drain which will heal you more, but debuffs are way more important than that).

Truthfully, having both debuffs is probably as good as tanking gets. However, there's a large lack of points which is why I believe mine to be the best. As for your build, you require one revive to maintain the extra stats it gives (1 M/s, 1 Armor, etc.), that's one flaw. Guaranteed tankiness is better than tankiness that relies on chance. With that said, your build is still relatively worse than mine since you require more skills to hit for nearly the same benefit, or worse. With 1 BoM, you have a weaker drain, and I do not believe 5 nightmare can compensate for the damage lost when using drain, especially if a crit. In fact, 5 nightmare seems very minuscule of a change seeing as it only reduces 10% of the dodge, and needs atleast 5-6m of range to be used. Which leads me back to the other point of which I said kiting is key for tanking, you're limiting yourself to 6m of range with this debuff which is very unbeneficial as is. Those points are better off in Firestorm/BoM. Some skills take precendence over others which is why many have varieties of different builds, different roles have different precendences.

Yeah, my point exactly.

I do not have a 56 pally though.

[Xyzther]

Best Build for Bird. Try it out.

Found a better one:

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Who says you HAVE to spend your skill points?

[Huskybird]

Found a better one:

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Who says you HAVE to spend your skill points?

True true GG

[XghostzX]

Chin, we get what you are saying for god's sake ahah. Seriously man, we do. But you're trying to give someone advice for being an efficient tanker, and that's just the dumbest build and even you know it. Through basic human intelligence and logic, you can infer that by "tanking" he wants to be able to take some damage while also being able to kill. Very, very few people would actually want to be a pure tank with no ability to kill.

[Mothwing]

How does one "tank" with 9 nightmare?

With uh, 40 dodge?

I noticed how you ignored my challenge. Truthfully everything you're saying now is not as relevant as your old posts, take your time.

I'd be more than happy to 1v1 your pure mage at 61, 66, or 80. But seeing that you don't have any one of those classes I will politely decline.

[CHINDUSTER]

I believe this is the best bird tank build:

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(Waits patiently for abundant criticism)

[Mothwing]

(Waits patiently for abundant criticism)

I have two suggestions for you if you can't take criticism well:

1) Make either one of these classes to back up your claims.

2) Stop being so self-centered and start respecting other people's opinions.

[CHINDUSTER]

Chin, we get what you are saying for god's sake ahah. Seriously man, we do. But you're trying to give someone advice for being an efficient tanker, and that's just the dumbest build and even you know it. Through basic human intelligence and logic, you can infer that by "tanking" he wants to be able to take some damage while also being able to kill. Very, very few people would actually want to be a pure tank with no ability to kill.

There's a reason why I used 9 BoM instead of 9 MS. Xyzther is providing practical pure Tank builds, please take some of your spotlight to him too.

With uh, 40 dodge?



I'd be more than happy to 1v1 your pure mage at 61, 66, or 80. But seeing that you don't have any one of those classes I will politely decline.

Classes? I believe you meant levels. You're going crazy now.

[Rebula]

I believe this is the best bird tank build:

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(Waits patiently for abundant criticism)

Lol... 1 Blind
Btw I have a question for you flesh. How do you tank with 1 blind ? Can you possibly walk me through it? Or do you not have a 80 bird to back that up also?

[CHINDUSTER]

Lol... 1 Blind
Btw I have a question for you flesh. How do you tank with 1 blind ? Can you possibly walk me through it? Or do you not have a 80 bird to back that up also?

Yes, 1 Blind. I don't believe you play Birds, so I'll leave you with some knowledge:

Anyone with adequate wealth at endgame has 200%+ hit, no one can miss. Having Blind at all is irrelevant now, yet the damage is noteworthy enough to have at least 1.

[Mothwing]

Yes, 1 Blind. I don't believe you play Birds, so I'll leave you with some knowledge:

Anyone with adequate wealth at endgame has 200%+ hit, no one can miss. Having Blind at all is irrelevant now, yet the damage is noteworthy enough to have at least 1.

Ok so I expect you to take the 9 hellscream off your bear ASAP.

[Rebula]

Yes, 1 Blind. I don't believe you play Birds, so I'll leave you with some knowledge:

Anyone with adequate wealth at endgame has 200%+ hit, no one can miss. Having Blind at all is irrelevant now, yet the damage is noteworthy enough to have at least 1.

Actually I played Bird and Mage tyvm since you said 1 blind is useless I could easily assume you know nothing about birds either.

[Mothwing]

If you didn't know, Hellscream stuns, as well as reduces damage. Play bear more.

But you don't need 9 hs to stun?

[CHINDUSTER]

Actually I played Bird and Mage tyvm since you said 1 blind is useless I could easily assume you know nothing about birds either.

Educate me then. I know very much about birds, and the only real use I can see for using higher blind is to do damage, which is not the role of a tank.

Ok now I'm really lost.

You don't like the game nor do you have the time for it...

...but you are here arguing with us about builds you don't even have experience using.

I think you've been lost from the start.

Never said I disliked the game. Yes, I do not have as much time for it these days.

I have experience of using the same basis. I can know/assume what will work because ("How??? Why???") I've played the same roles. You on the other hand have no pally mage experience, you only know damage. Comparison much?

[CHINDUSTER]

But you don't need 9 hs to stun?

But you need 12m? 9 HS is the only level that gives 12m? 9 HS has the most damage reduction? Play bear more.

[TruePlayer]

Yes, 1 Blind. I don't believe you play Birds, so I'll leave you with some knowledge:

Anyone with adequate wealth at endgame has 200%+ hit, no one can miss. Having Blind at all is irrelevant now, yet the damage is noteworthy enough to have at least 1.

Chinduster is on point about this. The fact thats its a tank build blind dosent need to be no higher then 1. Suh is a decent mage but i notice your bird is pretty bad. But saying that all mages in endgame is decent now lol.