Don't worry about reasoning with him GigaBits - he's pretty set in his ways so let him believe his Engy build out-dpses all other class builds. Anyways, I'm not easily offended even if some people take their gaming way too seriously. Like you said -60 armour from Decay really does not amount to much of a debuff - must have missed that minor technicality for which I apologise. Anyways, I'm done with this thread so won't be looking at it anymore - no point prolonging a flame war.