Power leveling

[Bunnyshoota]

Edited cuz didnt mean to double post

Good job! Next time, don't mention the edit. It will say so in italics at the bottom of your post -.-

[zeusabe]

What variety are you talking about? Can you specify because as far as I'm concerned, power leveling is simply gaining XP but not do the work you're supposed to do (well at least not normally the work you would if you aren't power leveling), any other definition would mean it's not "power" leveling. Now, the actual scenario varies because some may just prefer to stay back and do nothing at all, and some will actually put effort and try to look busy...but in the end, it just boils down to a low level being piggy-backed by a higher level to gain XP, period. You can say it in many ways, but in the end, that is the core definition of it which is what everybody is talking about...actually. Now with your claims, there are two points that made me O.o and like omg really?...first, you say, power leveling is the absolute best way to become highly trained and and be an excellent player...please qualify that claim because as far as I'm concerned that is "not" a proven thing and claiming that as fact is misleading, by your logic, if I have to put it in a litmus paper, then I would conclude that ALL (you said absolute) excellent players I ever encounter (by my definition of excellent) is a power leveler. Second, "end" the power leveling, are you sure? Do you even know what power leveling means? What exactly did the company do to stop or "end" power leveling? Even if say a level 61 goes to a Fathom Crypt and power level his friend, where's the stopping there? Again, qualify your claims because it was NEVER stopped they simply discouraged higher level players but it was NEVER stopped (just mutated since low levels can't go in high level dungeons, but high level can go to low level so the piggy backing/leeching is still there), so the abuse continued but now the higher level get's nothing in return therefore feel less "helpful", HOWEVER, that sort of control is broken why? because it's so easy to cap and the game has no content for these higher level players to be busy, therefore, in one of the threads I've seen here, people actually SUGGESTED to POWER LEVEL low levels just to NOT BE BORED!!! OMG, so that control will not work here. For the record, about that muting power levelers, did you know what at one point, LEECHING AKA POWER LEVELING IS A BANNABLE OFFENSE in MMO? so if you started playing in those days (and you being a fanatic of power leveling) the probability of you getting banned is pretty high. In addition to those two points, I'd like to further digest your conclusion that Power leveling produces better players, please define a better player and prove using that definition of a better player that power leveling is better than say (normal leveling or leveling with use of elixirs or simply HIGHER LEVEL TEACHING YOU), because using your logic, a power leveler will beat a non power leveler, which is not true (my stand is power leveling has got nothing to do with a player's skill btw just so you know). Moving on, as I've said, power leveling was never a good thing, you say there are lots of flavors of the ice cream, well I tell you, power leveling ain't an ice cream...there are varieties but not of an ice cream...misleading again, rather than an ice cream you should have used a software virus...you have your worms and trojans, comes in many ways, but all are just the same. If you are referring to PL when you say "a lot of people" likes to power level, let me tell ya something, PL is a casual MMO where most players are newbies and are not really gamers so to speak, anyone with a mobile phone or tablet can play and you know those things are pretty much a necessity nowadays compared to people who actually bought PC or consoles just to play a game (big difference), you're talking about basically an "ignorant market" but some of us have seen things in the past and know better (minority), try expanding your horizon and look at the other games who have succeeded through the years and tell me people like power leveling (it is the cause of a game's downfall!!! that's a fact), it's taboo as playboy is to 10 year old. What are you talking about? nobody talks about it in the open like hey dude let's powerlevel, yay, power leveling time, you don't see that kind of stuff? people "PAY" people beg for it, so it's like a black market thing, so what are you talking about? Like I said, it was so bad, devs actually BANNED players for it LOL (in other games which became more successful btw), that's a fact, and what your saying is probably limited to your own experience if it's true at all. If you don't like the game in first hour, walk away, it's not for you, an MMORPG was never meant to be casual it's supposed to be talking to serious gamers, that itself alone is a form of control to deter those random gamers who aren't dedicated that's why back in the day, you will rarely see a player who doesn't take the game seriously, now? people just come and go and leave a path of destruction...they begged, they botted, they shortcut everything, they power leveled, those things are the result of casual gamers and PL has the predicament of stopping them because the game is free, that's the problem of all free mmo games, it's going to get trolled a lot, you saying power leveling is a good thing is actually trolling. Now you talk about power level as if it's an attraction, so for the sake of attracting new and lazy players who you want to sacrifice this game and blow it wide open just to attract these new ones? You know what, THANK GOD you're not an advisor of STS that's all I can say. Thanks.

[Ghastly]

Yeah, what is the deal with power leveling.

And what's the deal with oranges?

There so juicy... (haha)

And what's the deal with people making 30 threads about the same thing? It's annoying!

Like the orange!
That is juicy... (haha)

[zeusabe]

What's more annoying are people posting posts in threads that absolutely has no purpose except to let others know the exist...XD

[Aikiebo]

1. then I would conclude that ALL (you said absolute) excellent players I ever encounter (by my definition of excellent) is a power leveler.

2. Again, qualify your claims because it was NEVER stopped they simply discouraged higher level players but it was NEVER stopped

3. because using your logic, a power leveler will beat a non power leveler, which is not true (my stand is power leveling has got nothing to do with a player's skill btw just so you know).

4. let me tell ya something, PL is a casual MMO where most players are newbies and are not really gamers so to speak, anyone with a mobile phone or tablet can play and you know those things are pretty much a necessity nowadays compared to people who actually bought PC or consoles just to play a game (big difference), you're talking about basically an "ignorant market" but some of us have seen things in the past and know better (minority),

Hey, zeusabe

I have been following your posts. They are very interesting. I would love to talk with you or anyone else about power leveling. In fact, we can talk about it for weeks if you want to.

But, we have to do it in a way, that helps the forum. We need to keep the converstation friendly. It might be a good idea, that before we respond to each other's post that we actually read them first. And, well, idk, but it seems to me that we should try to be logical.

Power leveling is a large topic that in this game is very controversial. So, it might be good to be extra careful not to misrepresent what others are saying and try to not jump to conclusions.

Paragraph 1 and 3 above, you jumped to conlusions. I never said this. One, I don't believe that, the ideas are illogical. Even if I kinda thought those things, which I don't, their weird and assinine. I wouldn't act like that cuz it is an arrogant, conceited way to act. I am neither. I didn't say those things.

Paragraph 2: Yeah, Mynas Gen was nerfed. That is what I said in my post. That is what happened.

Paragraph 4: People who play PL are not ignorant. New players are not ignorant. People who play older mmos are not better or more special. Old school mmos are not better, they are in some respects different. PL is winning many awards. It is a game we are very lucky to have. And the players are not ignorant.

Yeah, many old school mmo's are more complicated - have a lot more variables. I don't think anyone needs to live in denial over that. But the fact that PL is not those things is one its best features. It is a selling point. It is what is making this game great and getting awards and industry recognition that it is getting. And in no way are players of these other games "better" than PL players. I know a guy who thinks this, but he is really conceited.

If you want to debate power leveling, that's great. I am waaayyy into that. But, needs to be friendly, respectful, and logical.

Hope that's ok. Take it easy.

[zeusabe]

Nah, it's ok, I only debate my parents...I just like to say things and walk away LOL maybe come back maybe not (wow that sounded like kiting)..., though I get what you're saying, I guess we can call this healthy exchange of ideas. Sorry if you find my post a little too "over", it's just the way I am, though I'll make sure I don't curse so I don't violate TOS. Anyways, I've had too much power leveling posts in a day, I noted your opinions and find them interesting as well, I assumed some things and maybe I was wrong on some points, but, I will not bend on my belief that power leveling is not a good thing and must be destroyed, exposed, and arrrghhh, hate leechers. Thanks.

[Bebsi]

Not 100% this was from power leveling but I met a lvl 56 bear when I was leveling an alt in sewers..he kept pulling the mobs away from the walls and stomping them all over the place..after the run I decided to help him out a bit, and try to explain his role..I was feeling very generous, and gave him an extra fury set I had (which he told me his gear was better because the dmg was higher lol) but how in the hell do you get to lvl 56, and not know what a fury or custom set is?

That's because they changed the speed of developing a char.
While it took me forever to get my main char to lvl 56 and earning Fury items (and later forged them to Fortified), I came to understand the worth of the set.
I paid for my lvl 51 Fury Shield 850.000.
Now with the steady updates all becomes cheap trash, it makes my heart bleed ;(

The game changed in many ways, even maxlvl a char in one or two days is now possible (to lvl65 at least), thanks to the elixiers.
I remember that I always had to save up gold, and every two or three levels I would upgrade my gear and would be so
proud. Now many people just skip that part...

At least, the developers got some fresh contents in Nuris and MF, I was starting to get worried that all the weapon/armor would look the same and they would just find 50 different names for a weapon/armor and just change the colour of a gem or so. I'm well aware that they do this to a certain degree already...

[Aikiebo]

What is the big deal with "powerleveling" Why does everyone dispise it so much?

And people I talk to in game are cool with it.

Power leveling would have kept me a noob for a shorter amount of time!

~MM

But when people refer to power leveling in a negative light, they are referring to the idea of leveling a toon with no real idea of how to play the class.

There is a lot more to game play than button mashing. And powerleveling/leeching can make you forget that.
We can't police "good" play. There will always be good and bad players - the real difference here is that with PL you can actually decide which you want to be in the end.

Power leveling is here. It's been here a long time. And, it looks like it is here to stay. I think it would be a good idea to try to learn more about it. Elxirs (all except luck only), sts drastically lowering xp required to level, and the fact that power leveling was actually never eliminated in this game when Mynas Gen was nerfed are just some of the reasons it is obvioius that we should learn more about it.

I have always said that power leveling when done correctly is an excellent way to learn how to play our class and group mechanices. What is implied in that is: power leveling when done correctly - for the right reason- is an excellent way to learn.

I thought the new elixr that you can use to get into higher-level maps were only used by friends list/guild roster. I'm not sure what the point is in zoning into random games with people you don't know. That is one of the problems with Mynas Gen. At the current price, I wonder if that many people are even using this elixr.

Yes, as many have said one of the reasons people think of power leveling in a bad light is because power leveling is confused with leeching. Leeching is only power leveling in games that enable leeching. Mynas Gen was a problem, but I don't think that many will be using it now. I don't think it is going to be a very big problem. There are tons of ways to power leveling, leeching is only one, and really the worse way.

But, excellent training is only one reason to power level. Many, many people do not want to spend hundreds of hours leveling and doing all the other things that we can do in this game. People just don't have the time. So, when power leveling is enabled, people are attracted to the game in large numbers. For many this is frustrating, cuz after all, we spent these long hours and did all this hard work, why shouldn't others also have to also. I can understand this feeling. But, if it helps the game to structure things in a way that makes the game more interesting to others, I think that is a good idea.