A Proposal to STG

[Bless]

Lets get basic things down:
Crate: 15 plat to open, biggest chance of looting Mythic/arcane item in game & huge source of revenue for STG.
Copper/silver/Golden elite Warchests (or any elite chests in future) : Free to open, Tiny chance of looting mythic/arcane item & the money it makes for STG - none (except for elixirs and plat revives/potions purchased during runs)

Problem: The elite warchests have too little of a chance to loot Mythics or arcanes. From personal experience, I've opened 60+ elite warchests, I have received NO mythics/arcanes. Thats chests worth 500k+ yet no reward. The mythics/arcanes are too rare in Warchests, this is a problem because these chests take hard work and dedication to farm as opposed to the locked crates (which give way higher chance) that are farmed every 3 mins or so.

Problem #2: There is NO way that a player can loot an Arcane egg from elite chests. Thats absurd. This would not only make the game more pay-to-win than it already is but it also creates a problem for people without platinum to ever LOOT one. Why should arcane eggs be solely in the crate loot table? Thats not fair to people who farm and work hard - again, not worth opening the chests.

[Before you say: Yeah but you can buy the egg from other players for 20m or so, think. Think how hard it is to get 20m, think how easy it is to get 20m if you have $2000 worth of plat in your account, Im talking about actually looting the mythics/arcanes]

Solution: Make the chance of looting mythics/arcanes in elite warchests higher but not equal to locked crates. About 25-30% lower than locked crates. This way, STG wont lose out on money and players would be satisfied to know that they can opionally farm arcanes and not have to worry about plat shortage to open crates.

Solution #2: Make the arcane eggs lootable in elite warchests. This isnt rocket science and I am baffled how its not already lootable...I mean its common sense :/


I really want solution #2 to be implemented. Ty.

[Y O L O]

I only agree on the part where it's a pay-to-win game.

[Alhuntrazeck]

Heck, why 30% less? 10% would be more like it, since it costs almost double a locked crate (ATM) and is muuuuuch harder to farm.

[Bless]

Heck, why 30% less? 10% would be more like it, since it costs almost double a locked crate (ATM) and is muuuuuch harder to farm. I wouldnt mind what percentage as long as its not too big. I just dont want a PAY2Win game...where you cant even loot an arcane pet without plat.

[Psykopathic28]

Well since the chance of looting arcane in a crate is like 1/1000 if you take .001% and subtract 30% from it we are
Around -29.999 or so chance. I may not be the best at math but I don't like those odds ur proposing....

[gison]

Lol. I think we all know that all of STG's games are pay-to-win. They just don't think about non-plat users who make up MOST of the community.

[Alhuntrazeck]

Yeah, at the rate arcane stuff drop, making crates have as much as 30% higher odds than EGW, you're pretty much saying its impossible. Between 5-10% for select items would be nice--5% diff for arcane stuff n 10% for mythics.

[Temarichan]

Interesting suggestion :3

And...it's already a pay to win game :/

[vholt]

It's not a true pay-to-win, as in paying = winning the game. Free-to-play players can still obtain all gears and most pets through in-game currency. Yes, it's a lot. But yes it's a possibility. Even vanities (which used to only be obtainable through plat) is obtainable with in-game currency now. Really what paying does, is have more convenience in obtaining items. Whether it's buying pets directly from the stable instead of farming them, or getting gear through store bundles, or getting mythics from crates instead of saving up gold for them; all paying does is allow players to obtain items faster and/or easier. An unfair advantage? Well they DID pay money. It evens out considering they used real currency while you keep your fat wallet (or thin) untouched. But again, no one wins from paying. Anyone can win. It's possible for a f2p player to be better than a p2p player. P2p just get to do less work.

Tl;dr - AL isn't really pay-to-win. Trust me, there are worse pay-to-win games out there. Ex. Paying to boost player stats. Overpowered weapons ONLY obtainable through in-game purchase with real currency. Being able to unlocked gears that are locked because of level limits using real currency.

[Energizeric]

There are so many things wrong with the OP's post, I don't know where to start.....

1) There is no chance of looting a mythic or arcane item in an Elite Copper or Silver Chest. There is only a chance to loot them in Elite Golden Chests. STS has been very clear on this. Sorry if you were misinformed.

2) You say you opened 500k+ worth of elite chests, yet you expect to get a mythic or arcane item that's worth 1m+??? If opening 500k worth of elite chests always produced items worth 1m+, then who in their right mind would pay 1m+ for those items when they can just buy 500k worth of chests and loot one? If 500k worth of elite chests always produced a mythic or arcane item, then the mythic items would be worth around 100-300k each because that is all people would be willing to pay for them.

3) You suggest that Elite Chests should have a slightly lower chance of getting a mythic/arcane item than Locked Crates do. Well, yes that is how it currently is, so no need for you to suggest this. This is the way it is. We do not know the exact odds because STS has not released this information, but I would say based on the prices of Elite Golden Chests and the prices of Mythic/Arcane items, I would guess on average you would have to open around 100-150 Elite Golden Chests to loot a mythic or arcane item. And you probably have to open around around 100 Locked Crates to get a mythic or arcane item. But yes, developers have already said that Locked Crates have a SLIGHTLY higher chance of looting mythic/arcane items than do Elite Golden Chests.

Mythic and Arcane items are worth millions of gold for a reason. It's because it takes MORE than that amount worth of crates/chests to loot one. Remember when you open crates/chests, the other non-mythic and non-arcane items that you get have some value as well. So that considered, if the average mythic/arcane items is wroth around 3-4m, then for those prices to hold up, it would have to take about 5-6m worth of Elite Golden Chests to loot one. Otherwise the prices of those items would drop accordingly.

[Buriedalive]

It's very simple. If you're unhappy you could either chose to quit the game or buy the mythic/arcane items for gold or buy platinums and waste toons of money to get one from the locked crate.
For the fact no one guarantee you that you'll get a mythic/arcane items for opening 60+ warchests. As many people has told here it's all about luck. I know people who just opened 1 warchest and looted a mythic/arcane item.
Also if the raise the loot chance to loot a mythic/arcane item they'll be less worth.

Just as you know complaining about it in the forum wont make it better. It's just something everybody has to deal with. I'm sure theres someone out there who has opened more than 100-200+ warchests and still hasnt got any mythic/arcane items. It's all about luck deal with it.

[gison]

It's very simple. If you're unhappy you could either chose to quit the game or buy the mythic/arcane items for gold or buy platinums and waste toons of money to get one from the locked crate.

Just as you know complaining about it in the forum wont make it better.

Not everyone has money to buy platinum.

If you can't 'complain' on the forums, then what's the point of having the forums to contact devs asking them for a 'compromise'?

I'm sure you've been here a couple months? So I don't think you know how the forums work yet. If you did, then you wouldn't post that.

[Rare]

Not everyone has money to buy platinum.

Yes. There are a lot of things in this world people are not entitled to have.

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[Linkincena]

Why are we even bothering to suggest. . This has been suggested so many times. ..
STG have got brains to think what is good for them.. :/
Sorry.. I mean no disrespect. .

[Bless]

There are so many things wrong with the OP's post, I don't know where to start.....

1) There is no chance of looting a mythic or arcane item in an Elite Copper or Silver Chest. There is only a chance to loot them in Elite Golden Chests. STS has been very clear on this. Sorry if you were misinformed.

2) You say you opened 500k+ worth of elite chests, yet you expect to get a mythic or arcane item that's worth 1m+??? If opening 500k worth of elite chests always produced items worth 1m+, then who in their right mind would pay 1m+ for those items when they can just buy 500k worth of chests and loot one? If 500k worth of elite chests always produced a mythic or arcane item, then the mythic items would be worth around 100-300k each because that is all people would be willing to pay for them.

3) You suggest that Elite Chests should have a slightly lower chance of getting a mythic/arcane item than Locked Crates do. Well, yes that is how it currently is, so no need for you to suggest this. This is the way it is. We do not know the exact odds because STS has not released this information, but I would say based on the prices of Elite Golden Chests and the prices of Mythic/Arcane items, I would guess on average you would have to open around 100-150 Elite Golden Chests to loot a mythic or arcane item. And you probably have to open around around 100 Locked Crates to get a mythic or arcane item. But yes, developers have already said that Locked Crates have a SLIGHTLY higher chance of looting mythic/arcane items than do Elite Golden Chests.

Mythic and Arcane items are worth millions of gold for a reason. It's because it takes MORE than that amount worth of crates/chests to loot one. Remember when you open crates/chests, the other non-mythic and non-arcane items that you get have some value as well. So that considered, if the average mythic/arcane items is wroth around 3-4m, then for those prices to hold up, it would have to take about 5-6m worth of Elite Golden Chests to loot one. Otherwise the prices of those items would drop accordingly.


1. Yeah I knew that, therefore I opened a lot of golden warchets when they were 20-30k. Thy should give a small chance to loot them in copper and slver chests too.

2. That just proves why its not worth opening or farming for Elite chests. Youd have to open atleast 500 elite gold warchests to ever be able to loot a mythic, not everyone has time to farm 500 warchests just to loot one mythic. And people want mythic sets so non plat users would need 2000 elite gold warchests to loot 4 mythic items (mix and match to get full mythic set).

[Bless]

I wouldnt mind if any other suggestions in the OP dont get heard to.

Suggestion #2 is a priority because arcane eggs should be able to drop in elite chests

[Alhuntrazeck]

2) You say you opened 500k+ worth of elite chests, yet you expect to get a mythic or arcane item that's worth 1m+??? If opening 500k worth of elite chests always produced items worth 1m+, then who in their right mind would pay 1m+ for those items when they can just buy 500k worth of chests and loot one? If 500k worth of elite chests always produced a mythic or arcane item, then the mythic items would be worth around 100-300k each because that is all people would be willing to pay for them.

Mythic and Arcane items are worth millions of gold for a reason. It's because it takes MORE than that amount worth of crates/chests to loot one. Remember when you open crates/chests, the other non-mythic and non-arcane items that you get have some value as well. So that considered, if the average mythic/arcane items is wroth around 3-4m, then for those prices to hold up, it would have to take about 5-6m worth of Elite Golden Chests to loot one. Otherwise the prices of those items would drop accordingly.

Its LUCK. People could get a mythic item in ONE crate if they're really really damn lucky--its a possibility. Approximating 15 plat as 15k, it costs around 30k to open a crate at current cs prices. That's hundreds of crates for a SINGLE mythic item, if the way yyou implied works.

If its LUCK, why cant a mythic drop from a 500k EGW?

[gison]

I wouldnt mind if any other suggestions in the OP dont get heard to.

Suggestion #2 is a priority because arcane eggs should be able to drop in elite chests

Yes I would like the #2 suggestion more than anything. Plat-users shouldn't be the only ones to drop them from a 15plat crate -_-

[Buriedalive]

It's very simple. If you're unhappy you could either chose to quit the game or buy the mythic/arcane items for gold or buy platinums and waste toons of money to get one from the locked crate.

Just as you know complaining about it in the forum wont make it better.

Not everyone has money to buy platinum.

If you can't 'complain' on the forums, then what's the point of having the forums to contact devs asking them for a 'compromise'?

I'm sure you've been here a couple months? So I don't think you know how the forums work yet. If you did, then you wouldn't post that.

Word of wisdom? I guess you have been here for a long time thats why you dont know what sts support is.
I also gave more than 1 alternative learn to read the whole sentence before you post bs. Kids like you are just annoying go back to kindergarden instead of starting a drama here.

You dont have knowledge about sht the only thing you post is amature posts that you think makes you look like a long time forumer.

If you have finally managed to read down here the previous post was just an advice I don't care if he lissen or not take it or leave it.

[Buriedalive]

I wouldnt mind if any other suggestions in the OP dont get heard to.

Suggestion #2 is a priority because arcane eggs should be able to drop in elite chests

Yes I would like the #2 suggestion more than anything. Plat-users shouldn't be the only ones to drop them from a 15plat crate -_-

^ another stupid comment.
Seriously platinums user doesn't loot them so easy. It's all about luck when you open locked crates as well as elite golden warchests, which you nub haven't figure out yet. If you've been here for so long as you states, why don't you see what the devs tells you about loot drop chance from warchests & locked.

I'll inform you again the locked only has a slightly better chance to loot a mythic/arcane item but that doesn't make it as easy as it'll ensures you to get one. Just check other post here about ppl crying about no mythic/arcane items after opened 1000+ crates.

[Energizeric]

1. Yeah I knew that, therefore I opened a lot of golden warchets when they were 20-30k. Thy should give a small chance to loot them in copper and slver chests too.

That's not a bad suggestion. But the odds would be so so low I don't know if it would make much of a difference. Even getting a legendary item in copper chests is extremely rare. In any case, I doubt adding an extremely low chance of a mythic or arcane item in elite silver and copper chests would make a big difference in the supply of those items, so it shouldn't affect prices much. I wouldn't have a problem with STS impementing this suggestion. It would bring up prices of elite copper and silver chests slightly.



2. That just proves why its not worth opening or farming for Elite chests. Youd have to open atleast 500 elite gold warchests to ever be able to loot a mythic, not everyone has time to farm 500 warchests just to loot one mythic. And people want mythic sets so non plat users would need 2000 elite gold warchests to loot 4 mythic items (mix and match to get full mythic set).

As I mentioned in my post, opening chests or crates hoping to loot specific items is ALWAYS a bad gamble. Why? Because the value of chests/crates is determined by the average value of all of the items you can loot by opening them. So the total value of all of the chests you open is almost always going to be much higher than any one specific item that you can loot, unless you get very lucky and beat the odds. I know everyone hopes to beat the odds, but they are called "odds" for a reason and most people will NOT beat the odds and get lucky.

Have you won the lottery recently? Do you think your chances will be better if you buy twice as many tickets next time? How about if you buy ten times as many tickets? See my point?

The best way to get your mythic items is to farm the chests and SELL THEM. Then save your gold and when you have enough, buy one of the items you need. Then start saving for the next one. That is what I did during the current season, and somehow I managed to save enough to buy a Hammerjaw Egg, Mythic Gun, Mythic Ring, and Mythic Pendant (I had enough gold to buy the mythic armor prior to season 4 starting). And I did all of this without ever opening a single elite chest. I did open a few crates hoping to get lucky (around 60 or so) and never got an item worth anything decent.

If you want to open a few crates or chests to see if you get lucky, then do so. But just as you wouldn't go to Las Vegas and put your life savings into a slot machine hoping to win the jackpot, don't do that here either. Just open an occasional chest if you really want to. But for most of them, you are better off selling.

And really, it doesn't matter if you can loot an Arcane Egg from a chest or not. So instead of it being an egg it would be a maul or hooks. I'm sure you can sell that item and then buy the egg you want from someone who looted one from a crate. It doesn't really matter which Arcane or Mythic item you loot. If it's not the one you want, then sell or trade it for the one you want or need. It's really easy.

[gison]

Word of wisdom? I guess you have been here for a long time thats why you dont know what sts support is.
I also gave more than 1 alternative learn to read the whole sentence before you post bs. Kids like you are just annoying go back to kindergarden instead of starting a drama here.

You dont have knowledge about sht the only thing you post is amature posts that you think makes you look like a long time forumer.

If you have finally managed to read down here the previous post was just an advice I don't care if he lissen or not take it or leave it.

Lol. Chill out bro, I'm just telling people my opinions.

I didn't start anything with anyone, you're the one starting something when I haven't done anything.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I apologize, just because my posts are "amateur as you say.

Tbh with you, the forums are here for people to express their ideas, for devs and other players can see.

What's the point of the forums if we can't express what would be best for the game?

Of course we could always tell support what we want, but the devs like seeing other players agree with each other over an idea so they could think about implementing it.

And yes, I have been playing AL since day 1, and yes, I'm a 'nub' as you said because I started playing AL back up again like a month or so.

Lastly, again, I apologize for offending you in any way, shape, or form. I didn't mean to start anything with you, I merely wanted to express my opinions.


-Gison

[Buriedalive]

Lacking intelligence I see.

Please share more of your.

[Buriedalive]

Lol. Chill out bro, I'm just telling people my opinions.

I didn't start anything with anyone, you're the one starting something when I haven't done anything.

I'm sorry if I offended you, I apologize, just because my posts are "amateur as you say.

Tbh with you, the forums are here for people to express their ideas, for devs and other players can see.

What's the point of the forums if we can't express what would be best for the game?

Of course we could always tell support what we want, but the devs like seeing other players agree with each other over an idea so they could think about implementing it.

And yes, I have been playing AL since day 1, and yes, I'm a 'nub' as you said because I started playing AL back up again like a month or so.

Lastly, again, I apologize for offending you in any way, shape, or form. I didn't mean to start anything with you, I merely wanted to express my opinions.


-Gison

Nevermind was just a missunderstanding.

[jabu69]

Please share more of your.
he gotchu



Solution #2: Make the arcane eggs lootable in elite warchests. This isnt rocket science and I am baffled how its not already lootable...I mean its common sense :/

i fail to see how this is common sense. their value would drop massively and there would never be any point to open locked crates as they would never be any exclusive material in there. by making compromise to non-plat users STS is basically telling everyone that they no longer have to buy plat because non-plat users are better and cooler. unfortunately plat users fund the game and STS pockets so they will never ever do such a thing. it's not even close to common sense for STS.

AL requires no subscription or app purchase so its only revenue is from plat. You have to understand that it can't afford to make money from simply selling vanities.

[Bless]

Please share more of your.
he gotchu



Solution #2: Make the arcane eggs lootable in elite warchests. This isnt rocket science and I am baffled how its not already lootable...I mean its common sense :/

i fail to see how this is common sense. their value would drop massively and there would never be any point to open locked crates as they would never be any exclusive material in there. by making compromise to non-plat users STS is basically telling everyone that they no longer have to buy plat because non-plat users are better and cooler. unfortunately plat users fund the game and STS pockets so they will never ever do such a thing. it's not even close to common sense for STS.

AL requires no subscription or app purchase so its only revenue is from plat. You have to understand that it can't afford to make money from simply selling vanities. Its not fair to non platters that they cant loot arcane eggs...Why not jut make te game for only platters? Ban all the non platters...?

[baddiva]

I am confusing about what's being complained here... if anybody wants a guarantee to loot a mythic, just farm gold, and loot em from the AS... case closed right?

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[Desperoto]

1: U CANT loot Mythic/arcane out of Bronze and silver warchests
2: U CAN loot Elite golden warchests WITHOUT loot reroll
3: Jeh its pay-to-win, but they used real money. Maybe $1000+,

But remember:
-We could buy a big tv of that money?
-We could buy a xbox one/ ps4 with a lot of games with that money.
-We could go on vacance with that money.
And we didnt pay a lot for a game and we still have fun?
If someone like to spend-for-win, thats his choice... But if u cant have fun without being the best?
Stop with gaming?

[jabu69]

Its not fair to non platters that they cant loot arcane eggs...Why not jut make te game for only platters? Ban all the non platters...?

It's also unfair to platters that non platters are on the same level. Remember, platters pay for your server and keep this game free for non-platters, so why even complain that you can play such a wonderful game for free?

In any case arcane eggs cost like 20 million and only come out once every 1000 crates, so feel free to open 1000 crates. Not many platters have done that anyway

[Youngmurda]

1: U CANT loot Mythic/arcane out of Bronze and silver warchests
2: U CAN loot Elite golden warchests WITHOUT loot reroll
3: Jeh its pay-to-win, but they used real money. Maybe $1000+,

But remember:
-We could buy a big tv of that money?
-We could buy a xbox one/ ps4 with a lot of games with that money.
-We could go on vacance with that money.
And we didnt pay a lot for a game and we still have fun?
If someone like to spend-for-win, thats his choice... But if u cant have fun without being the best?
Stop with gaming?

^^ exactly. Alot of the richest players you see in the game have spent $1000s. I know this for sure cuz I know a few.
So if you really can't handle not being the best/richest gamer. Then quit playing online games because in reality in all online games the pay 2 play users will always have a better advantage over the free users and It's completely fair if you ask me. They are the ones funding the game. So you just have to deal with the fact that you either pay to have the same advantage or you just play for free and take the harder route

[Energizeric]

With the way STS allows everything to be sold & traded, it doesn't really matter where items drop and if plat is required or not, because you can always farm for non-plat items and then sell them and buy the plat item for gold. Just like you could complain the leprechaun pendant is plat only, but you could buy one in the auction. Same with vanity items.

It's rare that someone gets the exact item they farm for anyway. You usually end up with something else. Only once did I actually get an item drop to me that I really wanted, and that was a level 26 kraken skewer that dropped to me in Elite Skull Cove. I was so surprised that I even made a thread about it on the forum. Because 99% of the time you don't get the items you want. But it doesn't matter because you can trade or buy/sell to get the items you want.