Platinum bought weapons

[Joncheese]

Hi everyone,

Over the last week or so since expansion I have noticed alot of disheartened platinum users within the AL community, myself being one of them. The reason for this is of course because most of those players have spent hundreds, if not thousands on opening crates to try and get their dream arcane item. Most of whom have had no luck. Most of whom received immediately non tradeable legendary items, and a lucky few who were fortunate enough to get the odd mythic.

Now, for some time I have been trying to think of a solution for this that pleases everyone, and here it is...

Why not create some non tradeable weapons that can be purchased using plat only from the store?

Now I know immediately alot of you will be against this, but hear me out. Im not talking about items that will be the best in game, this would be unfair to those that cannot afford plat. Im talking about limited mythic weapons. Weapons for each class, weapons that are good enough for us endgamers to want to spend real money on, but that dont take the fun out of the game by making the arcane items inferior. This I think is extremely important for us and for STS. It does not remove the fun 'chance' factor from the game, available to all levels. It keeps the arcane weapons etc at the top of the 'wanted' list, and, most importantly for STS it lines their pockets ;)

There is no reason why this shouldn't be possible, as it has been done with Slag and Abaddon etc. These are non tradeable and are loved by all. Lets bring the pet-plat option in for weapons!

This is just a thought and is a tip of a large AL iceberg as far as improvements are concerned, and Traejo has pointed out some great ideas on this post here http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?114473-Do-you-farm-Elite-Shuyal
But I do believe it would make us plat spenders a bit happier, make our game more interesting, increase the competition and make the devs some money. Winners all round.

Thanks for reading :)

[gison]

You already know opening crates are a gamble, and you either get lucky or not.

I have nothing more to say because its 5 in the morning and I just woke up.

[keikali]

No they won't change it. Gibs said it best, you aren't being forced to open locked crates, but when you do, you're taking a gamble.

Save your plat, sell your locked, farm for more and keep selling, acquire items, done.

[Joncheese]

Im not gonna stop gambling, why do people automatically presume im moaning and against it, all im saying is inject those extra weapons etc. Im not talking about arcane items. So how would this affect anything?

[Player24]

Chests from store = waste
Locks = waste
Plat = waste
Hope this guid helped! ;)

[Emmacheese]

Maybe as it is 5am learn to read it properly? .... I am a very big plat user I enjoy opening crates and I am not talking a few I open 100-200 even more sometimes .... a day, I also farm hard! what Jon is saying is bring in a weapon for the plat users, make buying the platinum worth while, as the legendary weapons from crates are USELESS! Even the myth items from crates have dropped in value, but that was to be expected.

So why not make a weapon for each class that is not in any way as good as arcane. Surely introduce new ideas to keep the game alive? How is this idea any different than buying mythic pets in the store? This idea is to bring more money and weapons into the game that are on par with the current mythics! I know parents in this game that also want there children to have good items but its a struggle to get 3x everything.


People that complain about this are obviously non plat users and and it is plat users that pay for you guys to play.


You already know opening crates are a gamble, and you either get lucky or not.

I have nothing more to say because its 5 in the morning and I just woke up.

[Joncheese]

Chests from store = waste
Locks = waste
Plat = waste
Hope this guid helped! ;)

Agreed they are a waste, but they pay for this marvellous game. Without plat spenders we would not have it.

[Emmacheese]

And that's just sad if sts won't change things, games need to stay current and your nieve if you think any different


No they won't change it. Gibs said it best, you aren't being forced to open locked crates, but when you do, you're taking a gamble.

Save your plat, sell your locked, farm for more and keep selling, acquire items, done.

[Alrisaia]

Hi everyone,

Over the last week or so since expansion I have noticed alot of disheartened platinum users within the AL community, myself being one of them. The reason for this is of course because most of those players have spent hundreds, if not thousands on opening crates to try and get their dream arcane item. Most of whom have had no luck. Most of whom received immediately non tradeable legendary items, and a lucky few who were fortunate enough to get the odd mythic.

Now, for some time I have been trying to think of a solution for this that pleases everyone, and here it is...

Why not create some non tradeable weapons that can be purchased using plat only from the store?

Now I know immediately alot of you will be against this, but hear me out. Im not talking about items that will be the best in game, this would be unfair to those that cannot afford plat. Im talking about limited mythic weapons. Weapons for each class, weapons that are good enough for us endgamers to want to spend real money on, but that dont take the fun out of the game by making the arcane items inferior. This I think is extremely important for us and for STS. It does not remove the fun 'chance' factor from the game, available to all levels. It keeps the arcane weapons etc at the top of the 'wanted' list, and, most importantly for STS it lines their pockets ;)

There is no reason why this shouldn't be possible, as it has been done with Slag and Abaddon etc. These are non tradeable and are loved by all. Lets bring the pet-plat option in for weapons!

This is just a thought and is a tip of a large AL iceberg as far as improvements are concerned, and Traejo has pointed out some great ideas on this post here http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?114473-Do-you-farm-Elite-Shuyal
But I do believe it would make us plat spenders a bit happier, make our game more interesting, increase the competition and make the devs some money. Winners all round.

Thanks for reading :)

Jon, I know you’re not ranting, but I don't think this will ever happen...

Two immediately evident reasons I can think of are:

1) Crates are a skinner box, thus have addictive properties and keep people coming back and spending more money – look it up if you’re not familiar. If someone can just ‘buy’ the second best gear in the game, then fewer crates would be opened and the game would lose some of its addictive properties. I personally buy second best IRL frequently – it’s a very very effective way to save money.
2) You already can ‘buy’ the arcane weapons with plat since there’s a plat -> gold converter already or you can just flat out buy gold with $$. Either way you accomplish the same goal.

I do believe that more variety in gear that has comparable stats is needed. I’ve been saying this forever. I’m sick of seeing little clones run around wearing exactly the same gear and using the same build. Without this variety I’m going to start losing interest soon. Last season challenging elite maps held my interest well, this season, hopefully pvp will hold my interest… if not I will be seriously considering what to do with my hard earned money and, perhaps even not sharing it with STGs shareholders.

Right now, the odds of getting an arcane weapon have been guessed at being roughly 1000:1. So, STS expects 15000 plat for each arcane weapon in the game.

Personally – I’d really like to see two servers for this game… one freemium (the one we’re on with crates and plat) and one with NO PLAT players permitted, crates wouldn’t exist but with a subscription fee player base. I already pay roughly $30 / mo. to play this game in plat. Why not just make it a $29.99 subscription. Make the lixers that you get from klaas and shazbot ‘items’ that you can hold in your inventory and use when you want to.

Anyway - sorry I got off track there abit :)

[JaytB]

You're saying you open a ton of crates on a daily basis, that's a good thing because it means a lot of money for STS.

If I understood you correctly, you open those crates to obtain some of the better gear available (Mythics, Arcanes), right? If I had to guess, I'd say that people would open way less crates if they can get gear that's competetive (better than legendaries) for plat.

Don't get me wrong here, as a plat spender I like your idea, but from a business perspective the current way of gambling seems to have people like yourself hooked on opening a ton crates regularly. If even a small percentage of the big 'crate openers' would open less crates because of a 1-time purchase per cap, it would mean a overall loss of income for STS.

So yeah, maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it just doesn't sound like a move that would benefit the income of STS/G.

[Wutzgood]

Honestly if they were to make platinum bought weapons they would most likely be tradeable like the leprechaun amulet. They would just end up in auction and anyone could buy them for gold.

[Emmacheese]

The crate items will always be better, I open for arcane :) as I'm sure most of us do. We are just asking to add more items in the game especially for plat users, I see what you mean from a business perspective, it could go either way but I'm almost sure people will open them still for the arcane items, so many have been opened since expansion just at the hope of getting the arcane staff or arcane pets.

[Emmacheese]

That is probably true :grumpy:

[Joncheese]

You're saying you open a ton of crates on a daily basis, that's a good thing because it means a lot of money for STS.

If I understood you correctly, you open those crates to obtain some of the better gear available (Mythics, Arcanes), right? If I had to guess, I'd say that people would open way less crates if they can get gear that's competetive (better than legendaries) for plat.

Don't get me wrong here, as a plat spender I like your idea, but from a business perspective the current way of gambling seems to have people like yourself hooked on opening a ton crates regularly. If even a small percentage of the big 'crate openers' would open less crates because of a 1-time purchase per cap, it would mean a overall loss of income for STS.

So yeah, maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it just doesn't sound like a move that would benefit the income of STS/G.

I know what you're saying mate, and as I stated I'm all for it. I wasn't suggesting many items, maybe a select weapon for each class. I obviously appreciate that opening crates is their main revenue, so would have to maintain this. But when u think about it it is no different than the Pete that you buy for platinum. You would also not be able to re sell them, making it a one time only weapon. Meaning that it would not affect the market as you could not make any money on them. As I also stated these weapons would also be only on par with other mythics, making them still inferior to arcane weapons.

It is purely from a gaming perspective I am looking at, rather than a 'I want to make money' perspective.

Think about those who just want to play at a high level but haven't got the time to farm. Well not all the time anyway. I farmed for days on end to pay for my mythic armour, and I would do it gladly again, infact I invite sts to give us another challenge worthy of hours of hard work.

Anyway, hope I clarified that I'm just trying to make things more fun by giving people more options, that's all. Not looking to change the basic structure of the game.

[Emmacheese]

Personally – I’d really like to see two servers for this game… one freemium (the one we’re on with crates and plat) and one with NO PLAT players permitted, crates wouldn’t exist but with a subscription fee player base. I already pay roughly $30 / mo. to play this game in plat. Why not just make it a $29.99 subscription. Make the lixers that you get from klaas and shazbot ‘items’ that you can hold in your inventory and use when you want to.

Anyway - sorry I got off track there abit :)

I Love that idea!!

[Joncheese]

Jon, I know you’re not ranting, but I don't think this will ever happen...

Two immediately evident reasons I can think of are:

1) Crates are a skinner box, thus have addictive properties and keep people coming back and spending more money – look it up if you’re not familiar. If someone can just ‘buy’ the second best gear in the game, then fewer crates would be opened and the game would lose some of its addictive properties. I personally buy second best IRL frequently – it’s a very very effective way to save money.
2) You already can ‘buy’ the arcane weapons with plat since there’s a plat -> gold converter already or you can just flat out buy gold with $$. Either way you accomplish the same goal.

I do believe that more variety in gear that has comparable stats is needed. I’ve been saying this forever. I’m sick of seeing little clones run around wearing exactly the same gear and using the same build. Without this variety I’m going to start losing interest soon. Last season challenging elite maps held my interest well, this season, hopefully pvp will hold my interest… if not I will be seriously considering what to do with my hard earned money and, perhaps even not sharing it with STGs shareholders.

Right now, the odds of getting an arcane weapon have been guessed at being roughly 1000:1. So, STS expects 15000 plat for each arcane weapon in the game.

Personally – I’d really like to see two servers for this game… one freemium (the one we’re on with crates and plat) and one with NO PLAT players permitted, crates wouldn’t exist but with a subscription fee player base. I already pay roughly $30 / mo. to play this game in plat. Why not just make it a $29.99 subscription. Make the lixers that you get from klaas and shazbot ‘items’ that you can hold in your inventory and use when you want to.

Anyway - sorry I got off track there abit :)

Thanks for ur input alr, but I think people are losing track of what I am suggesting.

I merely want to add more variety, more reasons to play this great game. But eithout affecting the market or STS.
A 1 off purchase weapon that is non tradable would be a good idea. It would not discourage from spending x amount of plat on an arcane egg or weapon (whether in gold bought by plat or by crates), because you would still have to do that. Merely another option at AN item that is quite Copland only plat users can get.

See what I'm saying?

[Joncheese]

Personally – I’d really like to see two servers for this game… one freemium (the one we’re on with crates and plat) and one with NO PLAT players permitted, crates wouldn’t exist but with a subscription fee player base. I already pay roughly $30 / mo. to play this game in plat. Why not just make it a $29.99 subscription. Make the lixers that you get from klaas and shazbot ‘items’ that you can hold in your inventory and use when you want to.

Anyway - sorry I got off track there abit :)

Love this idea too mate

[Wutzgood]

Actually aren't the bundle armor/weapons platinum bought only with platinum? Cant find those on any stages. They normally are worth nothing in auction. And sts has said that they want non platinum players to get same experience as platinum buyers. Its part of why this game is so successful compared to other games that make you buy currency with real money. You don't have to spend money to be rich in game.

[fumolamota]

There currently is an option to buy weapons for Plat - bundle & weapon chest
It's a shame that we have to play the game for better weapons than what's offered for plat- the nerve of STS, how dare they... :emptiness:

I like Alrisaia's idea of a No Plat server. $30/month seems steep though.

[IronMonkey]

People that complain about this are obviously non plat users and and it is plat users that pay for you guys to play.

Well my eyebrows raised when I read this. I have bought plat for some items, inventory slots, characters slots and others, I opened a few crates myself but not on a large quantity like you guys open, so I'm 95% non-plat user. I am personally thankful for plat users for the money you guys spent on this, expansions have been made and fresh contents are added. I think your post is rooted on your frustration of not getting any arcane/mythic items while opening crates. You should accept the fact that opening those crates are based on pure luck.

On your suggestion of adding a plat-purchaseable weapon, I disagree with this because it will make the game pretty boring and everyone (especially if you can afford plat) would all look the same. Once purchased by everyone, we will all look like drones carrying the same weapon, pretty common, don't you think? Another point, is why would I spend 1,000 of plat opening crates when I can get, a second-best weapon for 150 plat? This will be the immediate reaction of people frustrated by crates.

[Emmacheese]

If I was frustrated I wouldn't open :) I'm a gambler in game and irl. And love it! And I have had some great luck with crates so I'm not moaning at that! Everyone has opinions which is great whether agreed or not it makes it a discussion :) I'm saying the forum trolls! That complain and don't bring anything to the table.

I would like to see the crates revamped a little too but we will see on that hey :)

[Zuzeq]

You're saying you open a ton of crates on a daily basis, that's a good thing because it means a lot of money for STS.

If I understood you correctly, you open those crates to obtain some of the better gear available (Mythics, Arcanes), right? If I had to guess, I'd say that people would open way less crates if they can get gear that's competetive (better than legendaries) for plat.

Don't get me wrong here, as a plat spender I like your idea, but from a business perspective the current way of gambling seems to have people like yourself hooked on opening a ton crates regularly. If even a small percentage of the big 'crate openers' would open less crates because of a 1-time purchase per cap, it would mean a overall loss of income for STS.

So yeah, maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it just doesn't sound like a move that would benefit the income of STS/G.



^^This, in a way I'd love to see it happen....but it wont.

[Alrisaia]

There currently is an option to buy weapons for Plat - bundle & weapon chest
It's a shame that we have to play the game for better weapons than what's offered for plat- the nerve of STS, how dare they... :emptiness:

I like Alrisaia's idea of a No Plat server. $30/month seems steep though.
@ Fumo -

I would gladly pay $30 / mo. to play this game. Especially if it meant it was a no plat server and we could get 'elixers' that were stashable etc... Give us a slightly larger stash, and a slightly larger inventory and BAM - no need for plat at all... make a 'Vanity' NPC who sells Vanity for Gold and you have another gold sink for the MIMO system - seems ok to me? :)



Well my eyebrows raised when I read this. I have bought plat for some items, inventory slots, characters slots and others, I opened a few crates myself but not on a large quantity like you guys open, so I'm 95% non-plat user. I am personally thankful for plat users for the money you guys spent on this, expansions have been made and fresh contents are added. I think your post is rooted on your frustration of not getting any arcane/mythic items while opening crates. You should accept the fact that opening those crates are based on pure luck.

On your suggestion of adding a plat-purchaseable weapon, I disagree with this because it will make the game pretty boring and everyone (especially if you can afford plat) would all look the same. Once purchased by everyone, we will all look like drones carrying the same weapon, pretty common, don't you think? Another point, is why would I spend 1,000 of plat opening crates when I can get, a second-best weapon for 150 plat? This will be the immediate reaction of people frustrated by crates.

Don't we all look the same already? I've been saying for months that we needed more than *one* end game weapon. I love Zuzeq's idea for more Mythic weapons... like the Rogue's Katana (High Damage Single blade low DPS) sort of thing...

I buy plat - about $30 / mo. worth... but I spend it in one go to get most bang for buck...

My problem is in the fact that legendary gear is pretty much so common that the Epic / Rare gear isn't used... I remember playing other MMOs and being stuck in some older lv 30 gear when I hit the cap (lv 50) because I couldn't afford the rare stuff - it was that rare. Ultimately what it comes down to is you have the following gear in this game and it's been the same since season II let me explain:

Legendary items are broken up into the following categories:

Top Legendary: Elite Drops - (drops obtained directly from bosses in Elite) (Noble / Architect)
Second Legendary Gear: Elite Chest Finds (drops obtained from opening chests that are obtained from Elite bosses) (Champions / Shade)
Tertiary Elite Gear: Crate Pinks (also known as Trash pinks) (Drops obtained from opening crates) (Bonechill / Devourer / Dimensional)
Lastly non Elite Pinks: Store Bought Pinks (items obtained from purchasing them at the store with plat) (Shadow / Radiant)

I even think there's a category of pink gear that drops from 'normal' chests from each campaign, but alas - those don't really sell other than for vanities...

So - we have these categories of pink gear... then there's the epic and rare gear which is pretty much ignored completely because of the above tiers of pinks being so abundant.

Additionally - now that Bael drops pretty much every type of gear in the game (all the best) and he's being found so frequently - the risk / reward for running Elite is dwindling. Most likely this is intentional since STS has even indicated in other threads that updated elite maps is a strain on their resources...

Personally I love to run Elite and challenge myself to compete at LB level, or to get as close as I can. I love the fight - it's exciting and great to see a giant pull of 30 + mobs incoming and then the traps go off, and the mage hits the ice and the other mages hits the clock and WOW!!! 30 mobs locked up all in a nice little tight ball just waiting for my RS to come in and tear them to shreds... Sorry tangent -

anyway - I find that the game lacks diversity in gear, Why not have 5 sets of Top Legendary gear? Server overhead? Bandwidth overhead? Graphics overhead? What??? I mean, really almost all of the epics and rares could be replaced with gold and we would all be happy using ONE CLASS OF GEAR... who cares what color it is?!! What matters are the stats and how well you can put it to use!

[Zanpakuto]

They already have this option, change cash to gold or sell off leprechaun amulets and buy whatever you want :)

[Emmacheese]

Haha :eagerness:


They already have this option, change cash to gold or sell off leprechaun amulets and buy whatever you want :)

[xXz21]

i don't agree because all money players got FULL equip.. and non money players get nothing. would have more advantage of which we have

[♥XinXin♥]

i don't agree because all money players got FULL equip.. and non money players get nothing. would have more advantage of which we have

So sorry...i have to correct you on this !

People who actually put in money will definitely speed up the process of getting full mythic equip. While players who spend zero money will definitely need to farm to get their full mythic gear which will take a longer time as compared to those who spend money.

However, spending money to open crates doesn't mean that you'll definitely get mythic/arcane gears. It's a matter of luck though!

Pardon me for my poor english! :<

[gison]

You're saying you open a ton of crates on a daily basis, that's a good thing because it means a lot of money for STS.

If I understood you correctly, you open those crates to obtain some of the better gear available (Mythics, Arcanes), right? If I had to guess, I'd say that people would open way less crates if they can get gear that's competetive (better than legendaries) for plat.

Don't get me wrong here, as a plat spender I like your idea, but from a business perspective the current way of gambling seems to have people like yourself hooked on opening a ton crates regularly. If even a small percentage of the big 'crate openers' would open less crates because of a 1-time purchase per cap, it would mean a overall loss of income for STS.

So yeah, maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it just doesn't sound like a move that would benefit the income of STS/G.

Thank you ^ what I meant at 5am.

[Aerospacegod]

Off topic but does leprechaun amulet work on chests?

[JaytB]

Off topic but does leprechaun amulet work on chests?

Nope

[Carapace]

The idea is not "off the table", however in this scenario the items would have to be tradeable.

Why you ask? Because if it's not tradeable, and can never find its way into the hands of a person who never wants to pay, then its a pay to win item. The argument that players spending money for crates to get arcanes and mythic weapons is pay to win falls short when you consider that some players are farming them for the explicit purpose of selling on the consignment shop for gold. They also can come out of Elite Gold chests which are earned by playing the game. A lucky drop, or lucky gold chest, and you can hit the jackpot... without paying. This is important to maintain.

Think of a PvP scenario where players can just buy a mythic weapon off the store and steam roll players that don't want, or don't have the means, to pay. We have to keep the field as level as possible.

The bottom line is it's a possibility and can be done. However it would need to be tradeable.

[ooommmggg]

The idea is not "off the table", however in this scenario the items would have to be tradeable.

Why you ask? Because if it's not tradeable, and can never find its way into the hands of a person who never wants to pay, then its a pay to win item. The argument that players spending money for crates to get arcanes and mythic weapons is pay to win falls short when you consider that some players are farming them for the explicit purpose of selling on the consignment shop for gold. They also can come out of Elite Gold chests which are earned by playing the game. A lucky drop, or lucky gold chest, and you can hit the jackpot... without paying. This is important to maintain.

Think of a PvP scenario where players can just buy a mythic weapon off the store and steam roll players that don't want, or don't have the means, to pay. We have to keep the field as level as possible.

The bottom line is it's a possibility and can be done. However it would need to be tradeable.

TBH in this case I think it would actually be better for it not to be implamented at all. Although I have never bought a single plat in this game (I have my hands full with Pl!), I think that it will be a better option for both you guys' profit and the overall economy for this not to be possible.

[Carapace]

TBH in this case I think it would actually be better for it not to be implamented at all. Although I have never bought a single plat in this game (I have my hands full with Pl!), I think that it will be a better option for both you guys' profit and the overall economy for this not to be possible.

Whether it should be done is another question.

[Laurentsz]

Well my eyebrows raised when I read this. I have bought plat for some items, inventory slots, characters slots and others, I opened a few crates myself but not on a large quantity like you guys open, so I'm 95% non-plat user. I am personally thankful for plat users for the money you guys spent on this, expansions have been made and fresh contents are added. I think your post is rooted on your frustration of not getting any arcane/mythic items while opening crates. You should accept the fact that opening those crates are based on pure luck.

On your suggestion of adding a plat-purchaseable weapon, I disagree with this because it will make the game pretty boring and everyone (especially if you can afford plat) would all look the same. Once purchased by everyone, we will all look like drones carrying the same weapon, pretty common, don't you think? Another point, is why would I spend 1,000 of plat opening crates when I can get, a second-best weapon for 150 plat? This will be the immediate reaction of people frustrated by crates.

+1 agree with ironmonkey !

[Daddyblu]

The idea is not "off the table", however in this scenario the items would have to be tradeable.

Why you ask? Because if it's not tradeable, and can never find its way into the hands of a person who never wants to pay, then its a pay to win item. The argument that players spending money for crates to get arcanes and mythic weapons is pay to win falls short when you consider that some players are farming them for the explicit purpose of selling on the consignment shop for gold. They also can come out of Elite Gold chests which are earned by playing the game. A lucky drop, or lucky gold chest, and you can hit the jackpot... without paying. This is important to maintain.

Think of a PvP scenario where players can just buy a mythic weapon off the store and steam roll players that don't want, or don't have the means, to pay. We have to keep the field as level as possible.

The bottom line is it's a possibility and can be done. However it would need to be tradeable.

well it would be better to have an option at-least to buy arcane items on store.

i try to open a lot of crates all is garbage. like minimum of 500 crates.. zero arcane.

so now im not opening anything of your crates. waste of money.

better to farm and use plats for reroll.

[Emmacheese]

I'm pretty sure those of us who gamble on opening crates wouldn't stop just because there is other items in the store, especially if these items are not the best in the game, and you can't even get mythic weapons from crates right now! it means more things to spend plat on so that means more money for sts, I like the idea because it injects more variety in the game which can only be a good thing.

Ideally I would love mythic items to drop from very hard boss encounters, it would have to be a boss that was hard enough to justify dropping a mythic item with only a small % chance. or even parts of an item! I'm sure some of you guys played wow and remember the hand of Rag! as contrary to what people might think we personally would love to work harder than sit in town opening crates! However I know this would never happen as we do kind of have it in the game with opening elite golden chests :)

[Emmacheese]

Thank you for the reply it is good to know you have thrown this idea around, I would like to reiterate that we are not looking for an advantage because we spend plat, just to have more variety as an option.


The idea is not "off the table", however in this scenario the items would have to be tradeable.

Why you ask? Because if it's not tradeable, and can never find its way into the hands of a person who never wants to pay, then its a pay to win item. The argument that players spending money for crates to get arcanes and mythic weapons is pay to win falls short when you consider that some players are farming them for the explicit purpose of selling on the consignment shop for gold. They also can come out of Elite Gold chests which are earned by playing the game. A lucky drop, or lucky gold chest, and you can hit the jackpot... without paying. This is important to maintain.

Think of a PvP scenario where players can just buy a mythic weapon off the store and steam roll players that don't want, or don't have the means, to pay. We have to keep the field as level as possible.

The bottom line is it's a possibility and can be done. However it would need to be tradeable.

[CallMeOops]

I like this idea :) but STS won't change that

[Helicopter]

Heres my perspective on this in different scenarios

(Credit to those who have given their same scenarios)

Implemented w/ Tradability:
-Well look the same (As we already do)
-Sudden Reaction of Plat-Users
-Unfair to those who cant afford ANY plat at all

Implemented w/o Tradability
-Same Look (But Less than if it were tradeable)
-Pay to Win
-Sudden Reaction
-Less income for STG

To be honest,It'd be better if it were implemented some other time.It'd also be better if we let the game take its time and let other changes happen first.

[baddiva]

you always can buy a mythic or arcane with plats.... without gambling ofc... buy plats -> buy gold from store -> buy weapon in CS... this only applies to those real spender

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[rook storm]

There are lots more games out there
Most of them don't want your lifeblood to play
I ain't a gambler
If Sam don't want me to own mythic/arcane stuff that's fine
If he made it saleable in the store I'd buy a full set pronto
Maybe he got tired of my money
Oh well - his loss

[Alrisaia]

There are lots more games out there
Most of them don't want your lifeblood to play
I ain't a gambler
If Sam don't want me to own mythic/arcane stuff that's fine
If he made it saleable in the store I'd buy a full set pronto
Maybe he got tired of my money
Oh well - his loss

Please try to keep this thread constructive.

[Joncheese]

i don't agree because all money players got FULL equip.. and non money players get nothing. would have more advantage of which we have

Not asking for an 'edge' just looking for variety. Please read closer next time.

[Joncheese]

Heres my perspective on this in different scenarios

(Credit to those who have given their same scenarios)

Implemented w/ Tradability:
-Well look the same (As we already do)
-Sudden Reaction of Plat-Users
-Unfair to those who cant afford ANY plat at all

Implemented w/o Tradability
-Same Look (But Less than if it were tradeable)
-Pay to Win
-Sudden Reaction
-Less income for STG

To be honest,It'd be better if it were implemented some other time.It'd also be better if we let the game take its time and let other changes happen first.

Please take time to consider that, again, as previously stated, we are not looking for an edge. I am all for an equal playing field trust me. We are just talking about variety. If these items could be re sold then everyone would benefit. The only reason i suggested them being a non resaleable item in the first place is to ensure STS carry on making money, and for them to not end up like the Lep Pendant, which is now used as another form of currency.

Anywat, thank you for for all your ideas/comments

[Energizeric]

In response to the OP, what he requests is already somewhat possible....

Buy plat, convert it to gold, then buy a mythic weapon from the auction. Problem solved, you have your mythic weapon! No gambling involved.

[Alrisaia]

In response to the OP, what he requests is already somewhat possible....

Buy plat, convert it to gold, then buy a mythic weapon from the auction. Problem solved, you have your mythic weapon! No gambling involved.

A number of people have already indicated this Ener. I'd like your real input on this however...

[Energizeric]

It's a bad idea. As the developer stated, it's "pay to win". Right now spending plat increases your chances of getting a good item, but there is no guarantee. It's still a gamble.

[Arcane Maniac]

Im not gonna stop gambling, why do people automatically presume im moaning and against it, all im saying is inject those extra weapons etc. Im not talking about arcane items. So how would this affect anything?
John,i could find some crates for extreme hard maps,i give it to u and u open them,if u get something valuable we split half way,deal?

[Helicopter]

John,i could find some crates for extreme hard maps,i give it to u and u open them,if u get something valuable we split half way,deal?

lol.

[Kraze]

Idk call me crazy but how about an actual drop system

[Wutzgood]

The way they have it set up is great actually. You can buy gear through the bundle packs and while its not the best it's usable till you save enough for better. Only thing I see you suggesting is not making it tradeable. Having the best non mythic gear dropping from elite bosses makes it rely on skill to get it or saving enough gold for it.

[Energizeric]

Idk call me crazy but how about an actual drop system

There is an actual drop system. You farm, get drop from boss, and that is the drop system for the boss. Sometimes that drop is a chest. So you open up chest and again have a drop system for the chest.

[Energizeric]

Everything should be tradeable. That way any item that is plat purchased can also be purchased for gold by players who do not have plat.

The only thing that having plat should do for you is save you time. It should not give you access to items that you could not get otherwise. That would be called "pay to win" and this game is not pay to win.

[Kraze]

Idk call me crazy but how about an actual drop system

There is an actual drop system. You farm, get drop from boss, and that is the drop system for the boss. Sometimes that drop is a chest. So you open up chest and again have a drop system for the chest.

I think you fail to grasp what it is that I am trying to say. Killing a boss withe the hope that you can get a chest and then hope that random drop randomly gives you something is not an effective drop system. As it stands I am willing to wager the majority of players sell the chests they farm and then buy items out of the cs. I will point back to say sewers in pl. you could spend hours after hours farming with nothing to show for it...however the time and effort was well worth it to see those bright pink letters show up. Maybe it's just me but farming low level mobs that you can one hit for a locked chest that then costs plat to open doesn't have the same thrill

[Energizeric]

I think you fail to grasp what it is that I am trying to say. Killing a boss withe the hope that you can get a chest and then hope that random drop randomly gives you something is not an effective drop system. As it stands I am willing to wager the majority of players sell the chests they farm and then buy items out of the cs. I will point back to say sewers in pl. you could spend hours after hours farming with nothing to show for it...however the time and effort was well worth it to see those bright pink letters show up. Maybe it's just me but farming low level mobs that you can one hit for a locked chest that then costs plat to open doesn't have the same thrill

No argument here from me. I loved the sewers, and still farmed there even when I was level 76. This fits in with my suggestion from a couple of months ago that they eliminate elite dungeons, make the regular bosses a bit harder, and have the elite chests and items very rarely drop from the regular bosses. In addition, they could also make it so on rare occasion the elite boss (much more difficult) spawns instead of the regular boss, and his drop rate for elite chests and items is much higher.

Both of those changes would make things much more interesting. But we are so far along here, that it would require major changes to the game, including eliminating quite a few achievements, and redoing the drop tables from scratch. So I don't know if they would be willing to do that.