Horrible bann service

[KrazyxGhost]

Wow soo i've been banned for a while now and everytime i try to contact spacetime i never get any response, it was a horrible bann considering i was only recruiting for eliminate pro, they perm banned my device, totally unfair and when i asked for evidence they gave me nothing, i mean if they're going to enforce rules as such they should have a terms and agreement page after evry character creation. Bann system is dumb, and the staff do nothing to help, they give no warnings just throw the book at you and its unfair, and btw spacetime i do still want my ipod unbanned from this unfair infraction

[Ellyidol]

I'm pretty sure there was a ToS or such that STS provided which your ban came from.

[KrazyxGhost]

I'm pretty sure there was a ToS or such that STS provided which your ban came from.

Regardless i was simply recruiting for eliminate pro, which requires sending link through email (check it yourself) and they banned me cause of that AND without warning.. Still not right.

[KingFu]

When you signed up you agreed to the terms and conditions, saying you'll fallow the community guidelines they listed, I'm 90% sure advertising was listed as being against the guidelines I'd you read them:)

Edit:

You shouldn't get a warning since you agreed to the terms and conditions...

[KrazyxGhost]

When you signed up you agreed to the terms and conditions, saying you'll fallow the community guidelines they listed, I'm 90% sure advertising was listed as being against the guidelines I'd you read them:)

Edit:

You shouldn't get a warning since you agreed to the terms and conditions...

Well guess what that 10% is where your wrong, i research everything before i state facts, when you make and account via pl app is just takes u directly in game u do not sign or check off any agreement whatsoever, the site is the only place you can find such guidelines, and this is my 1st time coming to the site due to difficulties

[Ellyidol]

Well guess what that 10% is where your wrong, i research everything before i state facts, when you make and account via pl app is just takes u directly in game u do not sign or check off any agreement whatsoever, the site is the only place you can find such guidelines, and this is my 1st time coming to the site due to difficulties

There is a ToS in-game when you register for an account or such. I remember just going through one when I newly got PL on my iPad. So I think it links to each device and not each account.

And "advertising" other apps in others is just common sense. Firstly its unethical and common courtesy not to. Relate it to real life, you've got your own shop and another person comes into your shop and advertises theirs?

[icantgetkills]

I agree that you did do something wrong but a Perm ban is extremely harsh 7-14 days ban max IMO

[KrazyxGhost]

There is a ToS in-game when you register for an account or such. I remember just going through one when I newly got PL on my iPad. So I think it links to each device and not each account.

And "advertising" other apps in others is just common sense. Firstly its unethical and common courtesy not to. Relate it to real life, you've got your own shop and another person comes into your shop and advertises theirs?


Ok for one, UNETHICAL dude this is a highly successful mmorpg app come on now, you use common sense, howelse could i recruit, Its Call Supply And Demand. AND STILL NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET PERM BANNED. Omg seriously you wouldn't get it unless u were in this position.

[icantgetkills]

Ok for one, UNETHICAL dude this is a highly successful mmorpg app come on now, you use common sense, howelse could i recruit, Its Call Supply And Demand. AND STILL NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET PERM BANNED. Omg seriously you wouldn't get it unless u were in this position.

I actually agree 100% with u sorry elly lol just my opinion

[TwinkTastical]

Ok for one, UNETHICAL dude this is a highly successful mmorpg app come on now, you use common sense, howelse could i recruit, Its Call Supply And Demand. AND STILL NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET PERM BANNED. Omg seriously you wouldn't get it unless u were in this position.

Advertising Eliminate is like... Selling used Rubber devices.. The game is trash. doesnt need to pollute this mmo with Creepy diseases... ok?
Now feel free to Recruit for Mc2 .. Thats an Fps.

[Ellyidol]

Ok for one, UNETHICAL dude this is a highly successful mmorpg app come on now, you use common sense, howelse could i recruit, Its Call Supply And Demand. AND STILL NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET PERM BANNED. Omg seriously you wouldn't get it unless u were in this position.

Uhm unethical because this is a private business and not some public sector to advertise in? If you wanna advertise go to a public medium where people are looking for apps and not using one. How the hell does supply and demand apply to this? One there is no demand for your app in PL, probably. If your trying to generate demand then read my first sentence again, go to a public medium.

A bank doesn't advertise in another bank, a clothing shop doesn't advertise in another clothing shop. If you play PL and recommended an app which got you banned, then understood a perma ban is too harsh. But if your sole reason was to advertise your app, and its in the ToS, then thats the consequence.

[KrazyxGhost]

Advertising Eliminate is like... Selling used Rubber devices.. The game is trash. doesnt need to pollute this mmo with Creepy diseases... ok?
Now feel free to Recruit for Mc2 .. Thats an Fps.



Wow ok now im talking like i got banned months ago. Before mc2 came out, i spend most my time on that anyway, add me same name, but regarding back then when that was the only fps 4 me i get banned for simply recruiting, i mean c'mon ppl PERM BANN IS TOO FAR..

[KingFu]

Ok for one, UNETHICAL dude this is a highly successful mmorpg app come on now, you use common sense, howelse could i recruit, Its Call Supply And Demand. AND STILL NOT A LEGIT WAY TO GET PERM BANNED. Omg seriously you wouldn't get it unless u were in this position.

Maybe you wouldn't get our point of view unless you calmed down and stop screaming and complaining at the game for taking action when you broke the rules and the guidelines........

[TwinkTastical]

Wow ok now im talking like i got banned months ago. Before mc2 came out, i spend most my time on that anyway, add me same name, but regarding back then when that was the only fps 4 me i get banned for simply recruiting, i mean c'mon ppl PERM BANN IS TOO FAR..

Add me in mc2 .. PL_TT

[setec]

From the beginning you had to agree to the ToS to play the game. That is a fact.

Pocket Legends came out on 04/03/2010. As early as 04/19/2010 a Dev posted this:


You did, the first time you logged into the game. If you would like to test it delete your application from the phone and reinstall it. Everyone agrees.
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?561-Reporting-players&p=4059&viewfull=1#post4059

If you were advertising in chat for another company/service/product, you violated the ToS

From page 7 of 18 of ToS:
"is a solicitation or advertisement for any commercial product or activity"

Here are the ToS:

http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms01.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms02.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms03.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms04.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms05.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms06.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms07.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms08.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms09.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms10.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms11.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms12.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms13.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms14.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms15.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms16.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms17.jpg
http://www.the-innercircle.com/setec/pl/screenshots/terms18.jpg

[KrazyxGhost]

Really, are you kidding me, apparently it is public considering its open to anyone with an ipod touch/pad. Stop acting so narrow minded, really its apparent i'm playing the app too, i mean what am i gonna do, bankrupt the game really? I don't think so therefore rendering ur responsr futile, oh nd btw banks do mergers and other transactions as such and again HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL tons of ppl have more than one BANK they use, if your catching my metaphor

[KingFu]

I knew for a FACT you had to agree to terms of services...

[KrazyxGhost]

Maybe you wouldn't get our point of view unless you calmed down and stop screaming and complaining at the game for taking action when you broke the rules and the guidelines........


Not screaming dude just putting emphasis on important quotes, put it like this, you make an app u want ratings, no one rates raw, you have public apps such as pl, common sense states going to populated parts to recruit, called marketing ppl and to get banned for it is violating 1st amendment rights

[KingFu]

Really, are you kidding me, apparently it is public considering its open to anyone with an ipod touch/pad. Stop acting so narrow minded, really its apparent i'm playing the app too, i mean what am i gonna do, bankrupt the game really? I don't think so therefore rendering ur responsr futile, oh nd btw banks do mergers and other transactions as such and again HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL tons of ppl have more than one BANK they use, if your catching my metaphor

Fair enough, but at the end of the day, you agreed to the terms of services, and broke them, and got banned. If you didn't agree with the terms, don't hit "Agree" so you don't have much to complain about:)

[setec]

Not screaming dude just putting emphasis on important quotes, put it like this, you make an app u want ratings, no one rates raw, you have public apps such as pl, common sense states going to populated parts to recruit, called marketing ppl and to get banned for it is violating 1st amendment rights

Sorry, but your right to free speech does not transfer into a privately owned game that happens to allow members of the public to play.

[smoae]

I tried eliminate pro and it sucks *** loading times are forever and the controls are terrible.

[KrazyxGhost]

Ok thats semi proof but as a researcher i read through this word for word and says nothing about adverting for apps such as recruiting

[smoae]

Btw ban is spelled ban not bann

[KrazyxGhost]

Just as narrow minded i didnt break any rules look upon the post the previous guy posted

[KingFu]

Ok thats semi proof but as a researcher i read through this word for word and says nothing about adverting for apps such as recruiting

Semi proof? That is proof. I'd read it again:

"is a solicitation or advertisement for any commercial product or activity"

You advertised for a product, leaving you banned. I don't see how you can continue to believe in your argument.

[KrazyxGhost]

I tried eliminate pro and it sucks *** loading times are forever and the controls are terrible.

umm dude im not talking about eliminates gameplay, i hardly play anymore, read the title nd get on topic

[Royce]

It also says on those pages no spamming and no asking for account login information (Which would include emails. How do they know the difference between a "recruiter" and a hacker?). Anyway, I also think permaban sounds kinda harsh, but my opinion doesn't matter and we don't have access to all the relevant details anyway. I honestly don't know what you hoped to accomplish by posting here, but I'm sure it's less than productive to you cause. It seems like you did break the terms in one or more ways. For best results, just email them, be polite, state you case, and hope for a positive response. They will get back to you. They may not give you good news, but these guys respond to emails. They don't discuss account issues on the forums anyway. All you'll get here is a locked thread with "please direct account issues to support[AT]spacetimestudios.com" or something.

[KrazyxGhost]

Ok let me just end this here, i called apple, anything (APP) through apple/mac service on any app compatible with apple is not a commercial product or activity, in fact if it was apple could get sued for it but thats going into heavy law. Point being, both these apps r made possible by apple therefore like i said about bank mergers they link making what i did totally harmless.

[TwinkTastical]

Ok let me just end this here, i called apple, anything (APP) through apple/mac service on any app compatible with apple is not a commercial product or activity, in fact if it was apple could get sued for it but thats going into heavy law. Point being, both these apps r made possible by apple therefore like i said about bank mergers they link making what i did totally harmless.

So.. your gonna sue a company that has more money then youll ever take a bath in..? MMORPGS are not for advertising an FPS, Plain and simple, Maybe use the lawyer money for a TV ad?

[KingFu]

Ok let me just end this here, i called apple, anything (APP) through apple/mac service on any app compatible with apple is not a commercial product or activity, in fact if it was apple could get sued for it but thats going into heavy law. Point being, both these apps r made possible by apple therefore like i said about bank mergers they link making what i did totally harmless.

You don't seem to understand that no matter how much you say or think it's harmless, spacetime doesn't approve of it, and put it in their rules, which you agreed to follow, then you broke them, and got banned. All in all, your fault, stop blaming others, and please stop complaining about how harmless it was, you agreed and accepted the rules, and then broke them, and got banned. That's your fault...

[KrazyxGhost]

Omg wow.. Did i say i was gonna sue? No i believe i said they COULD get sued... Omg pay attention... Da heck would i go so far as to sue, if i did that i'd b no better than the ban pl put upon me..

[Ellyidol]

And just like what Royce said, whats your point in posting here? We, I especially, tried to give you a reason by replying, followed by immature responses. Who is narrow minded that doesn't accept that what you did was wrong? I'm basing whatever I say from rules. If I'm wrong, correct me, thank you. If your wrong, accept it, move on.

[KrazyxGhost]

Ok then y r u even still here posting then, just kno misunderstanding leads to karma related reactions that will put u in this position, just remember, u acted like a total a** just now, btw i put the stars up dont go all 5-0 on me =_=

[Ellyidol]

Ok then y r u even still here posting then, just kno misunderstanding leads to karma related reactions that will put u in this position, just remember, u acted like a total a** just now, btw i put the stars up dont go all 5-0 on me =_=

If my comments came out as being an a**, I apologise, I don't mean to be. But how you interpret my comments is up to you, people who know me know I'm not an a**.

Good luck.

[TwinkTastical]

Ok then y r u even still here posting then, just kno misunderstanding leads to karma related reactions that will put u in this position, just remember, u acted like a total a** just now, btw i put the stars up dont go all 5-0 on me =_=

Im a zen master, i make karma... Saying you can sue for getting banned makes you sound like a rich kid whos dad robs banks and burns the money in front of hobos..

[KrazyxGhost]

I guess kid w/e ya say =_=

[TwinkTastical]

I guess kid w/e ya say =_=

12 year olds who know nothing about politics and law dont refer to 13 year old stoners who want yes on prop 19 as kids.

[KrazyxGhost]

Lmao wow KID im 17 and very well aware of my politics and could school you any given day xD wow

[KrazyxGhost]

And a stoner xD keep that up kid by the time u get my age u will b completely brain dead xD what a idiot

[TwinkTastical]

Lmao wow KID im 17 and very well aware of my politics and could school you any given day xD wow

You are? Oh i forgot, your parents let you fill out their ballot for them..
Edit: oooh i forgot, rich kids like you snort...

[KrazyxGhost]

As a matter of fact KID i live independent in my own apartment. 18 is the vote qualification age, but your ability to repeat everything u hear is absolutely amazing

[KrazyxGhost]

Now what makes you think im rich, i struggle nd work just like everyone else, oh u must think im some rich white kid, well reality check average african american struggling to survive just like everyone else =_= enough with the stereotypes

[jonboy]

@OP, 420.....pop, nothing constructive at all so.

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae281/boganslaw/picard_gtfo.jpg

[setec]

Ok let me just end this here, i called apple, anything (APP) through apple/mac service on any app compatible with apple is not a commercial product or activity, in fact if it was apple could get sued for it but thats going into heavy law. Point being, both these apps r made possible by apple therefore like i said about bank mergers they link making what i did totally harmless.

I call BS on you actually calling Apple about this. And even if you did, there is no way they gave you that blanket statement.

The Apple App Store is just a medium through which Spacetime Studios will offer Pocket Legends and offer platinum for real $$. Soon the game will be on the Android Market.

The servers are owned and operated by Spacetime Studious, not Apple.

Per the ToS from Apple:


3. Ownership and End-User Licensing
3.1 The parties acknowledge and agree that Apple shall not acquire any ownership interest in or to any of the Licensed Applications or Licensed Applications Information, and title, risk of loss, responsibility for, and control over the Licensed Applications shall, at all times, remain with You. Apple may not use any of the Licensed Applications or Licensed Application Information for any purpose, or in any manner, except as specifically authorized in this Schedule 1.
http://www.eff.org/files/20100127_iphone_dev_agr.pdf

[Inching]

1) stop this thread, will only hurt your case.

2) email STS and ask for a temp ban in which case you will stop what you origionally did.

3) if a no then deal with it as you have no recourse except give PL a bad review

4) you are a user and subject to the provider so suck it up.

5) fair or not, thats what happened and even if all of us agree with you, it makes no difference.


... personally i think a perm ban is too harsh but thats only me. If it does not mentally affect another player like racial slurs or swearing then I think a partial ban is good enough. Dont get me wrong, if I was STS I would also ban you but only for a week or so and if happends again then perm ban but thats just me.

On the flip side (your side) the ban should not have even happened... if STS is so insecure about thier product then they shouldnt make it public where individuals are free to chat one another. When u recruited for another game, it is still subject to that person's game prefrence.. which STS cannot dictate people play PL and not others...

Where your case is lost is your actions were performed on the STS platform. Think of it this way... "this is my house and I will throw you out if I want to without a reason".

[CanonicalKoi]

For your daily dose of irony (part of a balanced breakfast!), read the TOS for your game. It reads, in part:

"....reserves the right, at any time and without prior notice, to remove or disable access to any (game company) Content, including, any User Content, that (game company) in its sole discretion, considers to be in violation of these Terms of Use or otherwise harmful to the Site or Services.....". (bolding added) I.e. Ban, perma- or otherwise for:

"....Use the Site, Services or (game company) Content for any commercial purpose or the benefit of any third party or in any manner not permitted by these Terms of Use;...." (bolding added).

To put it simply, were you to advertise PL on your game, the same thing could happen. (company name redacted to avoid giving them any more publicity)

[Justg]

I am putting this thread to rest, but first I want to get the truth out there. You were banned for asking for account credentials, NOT advertising a different game (although we can ban for that as well). The ban is permanent, good day sir.