56-61 pvp

[Piosidon]

Hello. It's been a while since I've used this forums acct, but I would like to state my opinion on the "Great Nerf of 2013".

Mages have too much armor.

From what I've seen, all the armor buffs have remained the same.

A charmin glyph mage at lvl 56 has about 147 armor while an average sewers bear has around 150. Mages get 40 armor while bears get 30. This is just to point out that glyph sets are way more op than sewers.
So in short, a mage is a bear that can hit 400s, put a mana shield, and doesn't dodge as much.

I speak for the birds.

http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae230/pocketKev576/0d59b0222de26c7d04c078ecc26c171f_zps91889fcd.jpg

As you can see, my bird is pretty average for one it's level.
My IGN is Vegetate for those who don't know, and I hope that you can agree that I'm not the worse bird who ever lived. I don't struggle with other birds or bears. However, I do, just a bit, with mages. And I've found myself hitting 50s/100s(crit) when a mage is unbuffed.

A mages doesn't need much crit to win a fight actually. It just needs to be able to outlast the bird while sending a 300-400 damage drain (which heals itself), ice, and fire. Not to mention the 200 heal it gets every 3 seconds.

Also, the bird most powerful skill, blast shot, is always wasted on taking down the shield so when it's 6 sec cool down is up, you're usually a goner.

Since STS is listening to the community on this one, either lower the armor on a wand sets or lower the armor the buff gives.


By the way, read the whole thing before posting so you and I don't have to argue over something you were too lazy to read, thank you.

[Roberto077]

I don't pvp glyph a lot so I can't really speak.

[Suentous PO]

I'd post this in the other thread so it's seen, Bous had a thread on pvp & it was closed to consolidate these ideas.


I don't pvp glyph a lot so I can't really speak.
Thx your right, I never thought of that!

[tHelonestud]

I don't pvp glyph a lot so I can't really speak.
No offense, but was this post really necessary?

Anyways, I totally agree birds should have had a armor increase on evade to make up for the lack of defense now.
I think mages should use staffs(or staves I think) so when you look at that set it's not as overpowered, maybe lowering all wand damage would help. Although fang and above makes staff mages almost unplayable, but that's for another discussion.

[Roberto077]

No offense, but was this post really necessary?

Anyways, I totally agree birds should have had a armor increase on evade to make up for the lack of defense now.
I think mages should use staffs(or staves I think) so when you look at that set it's not as overpowered, maybe lowering all wand damage would help. Although fang and above makes staff mages almost unplayable, but that's for another discussion.

I was going to add more at some point. I had to get back to writing an essay.

[Suentous PO]

I was going to add more at some point. I had to get back to writing an essay. You already said you don't have much experience in this topic, what were you going to come back and add, and why couldent it wait? Lol

[tHelonestud]

You already said you don't have much experience in this topic, what were you going to come back and add, and why couldent it wait? Lol
Maybe he will get distracted from his essay, play PL(Glyph range), and gain tremendous experience. You never know.

[Roberto077]

You already said you don't have much experience in this topic, what were you going to come back and add, and why couldent it wait? Lol

It was an important essay. I've got to start the year off strong.

Anyways, I was going to say something about strength mages and how insanely powerful they are when in the right hands.

[Roberto077]

Maybe he will get distracted from his essay, play PL(Glyph range), and gain tremendous experience. You never know.

Maybe the essay was about the complete mechanics behind designing glyph sets?





Nope, it was on King Darius I and the battle of Marathon.

[Deathofan]

When did they nerf the 193 armor from the fortified set down to 150? I Don't think that has happened yet.

[BlueSkied]

When a full intelligence charmin Mage can tank like a strongman bear, there are problems. I'm also not a bad bird by any means, but, for lack of a better term, that's just "hax."

[Mothwing]

You mentioned the blast cool down. I don't rely on blast to kill mages. The only reason it's there is to either break early shielders (more common as you climb in level), or cruel blast combo late ones. When a mage shields early, you break the shield then spam the rest of your combo/skills. Almost always works for me, and if it doesn't just repulse and run.

[Piosidon]

When did they nerf the 193 armor from the fortified set down to 150? I Don't think that has happened yet.

Sorry, must of been thinking about a diff set. Still what I mean is that mages have way too much armor

[xcainnblecterx]

Well charmin is 2h so naturally itd be higher armor. If you buy a armor ring you can get up to 117-120. I switch between two rings one.gives +10dmg (for mages and bears) and armor for birds and it helps alot. As for glyph being more op then sewers it is a lvl diffrence. Also what happened to your int build?

[ThePvpTwink]

charmin at 56 is much better than 55 crafted sewer gear,yes, but mages also have a low health disadvantage and well as no dodge lower damage without crit. there are advantages and disadvantages.

[Randomguy]

Lol ikr l66 9ms 9 drain 9 fire 9ice or something ms takes your blast fire hits up like 7/10 drain hits your dead

[Itoopeo]

At L30 pvp i have seen mages own birds easily with this strong hits: 207, 232, 191 dmg and bird is dead. Mages also hits 200+ to iceberg bears (100-115 armor)

[tHelonestud]

If your strongman bear is losing to charmin there is definitely a problem, the strongman set(mainly just the mace) is the most overpowered set at the glyph range(obviously beaten by demonic glyph)
If you want to compare it to to stats of the previous campaign let's take a look
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vs glyph(sorry no strongman in cs, it would just have zero hit less dodge, more damage and crit)
41273
Good thing the damage is so nice and close like the armor

And in case you think all campaigns jump so drastically
fury
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rift
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