Stop just stop.

[Y O L O]

Sts please just stop the 10-5 level difference in a pvp match. I just ABHORE having to join a lvl61 pvp match, get GANGED by 3 L66s and then having to be puked on, called noob, and trashed. Yes I leave and sometimes just shake it off but no I've reached my limit on shaking this off, I'm sick of this (excuse my language) crap. Please just make the MAX LEVEL DIFFERENCE to level 4. I hate being rushed by 2 level caps difference and can't do anything.

[MightyMicah]

I feel your frustration more than you would probably guess. However, I believe that your solution does not adequately address the problem. The assumption you have made is that the level difference is so massive that it isn't fair for lower levels. But why is that? It's because the gear change as far as stats go is such a massive difference. In other words, the problem is that a character ten levels higher than the opposing character can destroy him because his gear is so much better. In essence, the gap between levels stat-wise is too big!

Based on the above logic, the solution would not be to change the level range, but rather change the stats themselves. This is something I've been asking them to do for...well about three years now. In many other mmo's the big difference between 1 and 80 often has more to do with upgrading skills than actual gear. That is the way I believe Pl should be.

The reason I believe shortening the level ranges is a bad idea is due to lack of players in general. You're lucky to even find a game 5 levels higher than you from my experience. If stats were less of a massive difference every 5 levels, players could all play together much more fairly and they could even increase the limit of levels.

One opposition to this idea is that the PvE aspect of the game might suffer. I believe this assumption is wrong because your character is, in fact, improving across the levels even if it is at a slow rate. People often say that the PvE content wouldn't get any harder if the characters don't get much more powerful. Again, I believe this argument is invalid because it assumes "harder" means the enemy has more hp and damage. This is a poor definition of the word "hard." Harder should imply a better use of strategy and teamwork, not more girding and epic weapons.

Make any sense? Sorry for the rant...

[Y O L O]

I feel your frustration more than you would probably guess. However, I believe that your solution does not adequately address the problem. The assumption you have made is that the level difference is so massive that it isn't fair for lower levels. But why is that? It's because the gear change as far as stats go is such a massive difference. In other words, the problem is that a character ten levels higher than the opposing character can destroy him because his gear is so much better. In essence, the gap between levels stat-wise is too big!

Based on the above logic, the solution would not be to change the level range, but rather change the stats themselves. This is something I've been asking them to do for...well about three years now. In many other mmo's the big difference between 1 and 80 often has more to do with upgrading skills than actual gear. That is the way I believe Pl should be.

The reason I believe shortening the level ranges is a bad idea is due to lack of players in general. You're lucky to even find a game 5 levels higher than you from my experience. If stats were less of a massive difference every 5 levels, players could all play together much more fairly and they could even increase the limit of levels.

One opposition to this idea is that the PvE aspect of the game might suffer. I believe this assumption is wrong because your character is, in fact, improving across the levels even if it is at a slow rate. People often say that the PvE content wouldn't get any harder if the characters don't get much more powerful. Again, I believe this argument is invalid because it assumes "harder" means the enemy has more hp and damage. This is a poor definition of the word "hard." Harder should imply a better use of strategy and teamwork, not more girding and epic weapons.

Make any sense? Sorry for the rant...

Np I get what your saying but I actually do find 5 level higher ppl quite a lot most of the time..

[MightyMicah]

Np I get what your saying but I actually do find 5 level higher ppl quite a lot most of the time..

Ah, so you feel that a great temporary fix would be to further limit the level ranges?

[Kixxler]

Maybe, and this is just a thought,
maybe

dont join 66 games omg ikr

[Caiahar]

While in 35-40 pvp IMO not really a problem, 40s and 35s join each other all the time.
But at 56, it gets annoying when all the people are 61 in a 56 game..
Ofc, I understand the 61s reason for joining 56, many 66s join 61 games, and here its a HUGE problem.
Why? Mainly cuz the 66 have 9 SKILL RANK! Which means better buffs/more dmg attacks, and on top of that, even having an angel set? OMG, when the 66s farm 61s, the 61s can do a single thing against them, and 66s know it. 61S cant do much except either leave, join a 56, or do a 3vs1.

If you're having fun, you wont want to leave just cuz of a noob 66, and if you join 56, others get annoyed, and it might be hard to get people to help against a 66..and if the 66 calls for help, well then, game over.

[Roberto077]

Mighty probably made sone good points, I've been sick and don't feel like reading :/

Fun Fact: Crap is not necessarily a bad word. It is derived by the name of the inventor of the toilet, Thomas Crapper. His design was initially called the crapper, and so many people liked the new healthier machine, that they started the "I'm going to go crap now." Eventually, the word turned from the location to the action and is now often used by people who would rather not use more or less vulgar words (that's sort of a good thing). Anyways, anyone who calls you a piece of crap is, in happier terms, calling you a great inventor and innovator in technology (or Tom for short).

[Y O L O]

Mighty probably made sone good points, I've been sick and don't feel like reading :/

Fun Fact: Crap is not necessarily a bad word. It is derived by the name of the inventor of the toilet, Thomas Crapper. His design was initially called the crapper, and so many people liked the new healthier machine, that they started the "I'm going to go crap now." Eventually, the word turned from the location to the action and is now often used by people who would rather not use more or less vulgar words (that's sort of a good thing). Anyways, anyone who calls you a piece of crap is, in happier terms, calling you a great inventor and innovator in technology (or Tom for short).
I can't stop laughing.:)

[Roberto077]

I can't stop laughing.:)

It's funny because it's true xD

[Caiahar]

Mighty probably made sone good points, I've been sick and don't feel like reading :/

Fun Fact: Crap is not necessarily a bad word. It is derived by the name of the inventor of the toilet, Thomas Crapper. His design was initially called the crapper, and so many people liked the new healthier machine, that they started the "I'm going to go crap now." Eventually, the word turned from the location to the action and is now often used by people who would rather not use more or less vulgar words (that's sort of a good thing). Anyways, anyone who calls you a piece of crap is, in happier terms, calling you a great inventor and innovator in technology (or Tom for short).
Sir, I blame you for my sickness for laughing for 10 minutes straight.

[angeldawn]

Sorry guys. Crapper didn't invent the toilet. He was just a plumber that made them more popular.

[Cheenivie]

It doesnt make sense... You want to be able tto join 61 games on your 56 and you want STG to make the gap between level thingys 4levels..

[Mothwing]

Maybe, and this is just a thought,
maybe

dont join 66 games omg ikr

It's called lobby merging omg ikr

[Roberto077]

Sorry guys. Crapper didn't invent the toilet. He was just a plumber that made them more popular.

He made the more modernized toilet. The first "toilet" was a hole in the ground inside a small room.

[Mothwing]

Yeah :D I watched some history channel on this "crap". He was the first one to modernize it, as Robert said.

[DoctorWabbit]

I agree with this....as i pvp at 56 i ve been in such situations hundred of times.Once i joined a 61 game with my 56 and 3 bears Spamming “Farming Time“ killed me plus insulted me and puked on me.Anyway what makes me happy is when you find these 66s with your 71 and u farm them...and when u tell them “Thats for killing my 56-61“ and u tell ur name they say “i dont even know you“...I think st should lower PvP join lvl to 4 but not necceserely in all levels.

[Chickenrunnn]

Sts please just stop the 10-5 level difference in a pvp match. I just ABHORE having to join a lvl61 pvp match, get GANGED by 3 L66s and then having to be puked on, called noob, and trashed. Yes I leave and sometimes just shake it off but no I've reached my limit on shaking this off, I'm sick of this (excuse my language) crap. Please just make the MAX LEVEL DIFFERENCE to level 4. I hate being rushed by 2 level caps difference and can't do anything.

YOLO, no need to get mad :)

To be "serious", what if PvP maps can be joined by 2 level range.. It's gonna get empty really fast, isn't it?.___.

[Y O L O]

YOLO, no need to get mad :)

To be "serious", what if PvP maps can be joined by 2 level range.. It's gonna get empty really fast, isn't it?.___.

i'd rather have no kills and no deaths then no kills 999999999999999999999999999999999 deaths.

[MightyMicah]

i'd rather have no kills and no deaths then no kills 999999999999999999999999999999999 deaths.

Can anybody say "Straw man"?

[Roberto077]

Can anybody say "Straw man"?

Straw man

[KahunaJake]

Thread closed for the following reason:

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