Ban the Midas Touch

[Paulsebi]

How about 100000 plat buy xD
Get 100 million ;)
Lets buy plat for STG.. )

Lmao, link you f...er, you always make my day! :)))

Back to the thread discussion.

Sprtcuz, please understand nobody has something with you, but it seems most share the same idea. I understand you worked hard for the APs but you are not the only one who did it.

Let community speaks, let people share their opinion, I'm sure if there are people who thinks like you, they will share their opinion.

So far, 98% from people who shared their opinion here are against the 50 mil and 100 mil APs. If STS remove this, for sure the scamming temptation will be reduced. That's the point.

We all have our own opinion and STS listen the majority. Here the majority asked for removing these APs.

So I hope more and more will share their opinion. I will post day by day in my guild thread and I will request people to share their opinion ( maybe they want to be removed, maybe not). That's why this thread was made so everyone is free to share their point of view regarding this APs.

In life is the same : the majority decide! So let's see people opinion and I'm sure no matter in what direction the majority will go, STS will be with them!

Thanks again to everyone who shared their opinion regarding this APs!

[Emmacheese]

No its not about that.

It is not our fault your friends made a mistake. As i said 100m ap is not the reason why people got scammed.
its there carelessness, there own fault ect ect.

event with out 100m AP a lot of scammer will still try to scam you.

Ohh i remember one guy try to scammed you Arcane Mage Staff and you made a tread also on this one.

this one is worth 70m

Always remember if you are the one who let them borrow not us.
Yes he did try to take me staff? Lol and? If I remember you supported him too (what does that say about your character) ... This player is now perma banned from forums and ingame. By removing him STS have made AL a little safer. And yes dude you admitted that it was because of the LB.

[Daddyblu]

Lmao, link you f...er, you always make my day! :)))

Back to the thread discussion.

Sprtcuz, please understand nobody has something with you, but it seems most share the same idea. I understand you worked hard for the APs but you are not the only one who did it.

Let community speaks, let people share their opinion, I'm sure if there are people who thinks like you, they will share their opinion.

So far, 98% from people who shared their opinion here are against the 50 mil and 100 mil APs. If STS remove this, for sure the scamming temptation will be reduced. That's the point.

We all have our own opinion and STS listen the majority. Here the majority asked for removing these APs.

So I hope more and more will share their opinion. I will post day by day in my guild thread and I will request people to share their opinion ( maybe they want to be removed, maybe not). That's why this thread was made so everyone is free to share their point of view regarding this APs.

In life is the same : the majority decide! So let's see people opinion and I'm sure no matter in what direction the majority will go, STS will be with them!

Thanks again to everyone who shared their opinion regarding this APs!

OK pauly it let be your way, cant argue with you my friend.

This will be the last post before i got burned by few friends who already pm me :P.

My point is don't let other people borrow your gold or items just because you know them for 5-7 months.

you dont know them in real life, they will scammed you still. 5 to 1 year is not enuf to know his true colors.

[Joncheese]

No its not about that.

It is not our fault your friends made a mistake. As i said 100m ap is not the reason why people got scammed.
its there carelessness, there own fault ect ect.

event with out 100m AP a lot of scammer will still try to scam you.

Ohh i remember one guy try to scammed you Arcane Mage Staff and you made a tread also on this one.

this one is worth 70m

Always remember if you are the one who let them borrow not us.

Read my post and check the bit about humanity.

[Emmacheese]

Well john,

A lot of LB players don't have it and it is one of our advantage since i don't have flag AP we started playing on Season 3.

A lot of LB players remain on people because they started long ago. No way you can catch up on 50-70k pvp kills, 500k PVE kills LOL! its not that they are that good they just started ahead of us.


In short John this AP is worth 300AP 10m,50m,100m with out this i wont be on top 15 warrior LOL!

Me and my friends spend a lot of USD for this game to get that AP.

Im sorry for the people who was scammed but as STS always say never share or trust anyone.

And here it is ...... You really do contradict yourself so much :/

[Haligali]

there are more than 10k players who played this game.

in this tread maybe around 100+ who support to banned the midas touch. so do think the is already the community? LOL

maybe around 5k players dont have a forums account and i know a lot of plat used dont use forums .


http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?110117-100m-title

This ap was suggested by a player - with minimal support, no one seriously thought it can go live, everyone was joking in the thread - and removing is suggested by another player with much more support.

[Emmacheese]

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?110117-100m-title

This ap was suggested by a player - with minimal support, no one seriously thought it can go live, everyone was joking in the thread - and removing is suggested by another player with much more support.

Hali I wubs you! Haha

[mommyjane]

HURTS :(

all the hard torturous work to get that ap is pointless now? cant believe it. losing the midas ap is like losing all the hard times we've gone through to acquire it and throwing them on trash...and its just because of one player who has been irresponsible with his wealth ,w/c is very unacceptable on our part.
we'll see then if it would help minimize and resolve the scamming issue in the long run. but i doubt it. there are lots of other solution to minimize the problem, not this one. unfair.

[Daddyblu]

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?110117-100m-title

This ap was suggested by a player - with minimal support, no one seriously thought it can go live, everyone was joking in the thread - and removing is suggested by another player with much more support.

OMG this guy pustolate1 is ING CTF i wonder what comes to his mind to have a 100m AP

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?122421-Buying-10-grimms-7m-ign-CTF

[Emmacheese]

HURTS :(

all the hard torturous work to get that ap is pointless now? cant believe it. losing the midas ap is like losing all the hard times we've gone through to acquire it and throwing them on trash...and its just because of one player who has been irresponsible with his wealth ,w/c is very unacceptable on our part.
we'll see then if it would help minimize and resolve the scamming issue in the long run. but i doubt it. there are lots of other solution to minimize the problem, not this one. unfair.

Wait I thought you and daddyblu converted plat to gold for AP? Dam all that clicking musta hurt your finger. Pleaseeee stop contradicting yourself guys .... GOSH it's getting old :/

[Emmacheese]

OMG this guy pustolate1 is ING CTF i wonder what comes to his mind to have a 100m AP

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?122421-Buying-10-grimms-7m-ign-CTF

CTF doesn't even have the AP yet (from last I knew) he is working his way to it The Right Way

[Daddyblu]

Wait I thought you and daddyblu converted plat to gold for AP? Dam all that clicking musta hurt your finger. Pleaseeee stop contradicting yourself guys .... GOSH it's getting old :/

Lol not all of it emma, before the midas touch title i already got Maul in hand. so i sold my maul / gears to get the AP.

[Daddyblu]

CTF doesn't even have the AP yet (from last I knew) he is working his way to it The Right Way

im just saying his the guy who suggest the 100m AP last June

[Emmacheese]

im just saying his the guy who suggest the 100m AP last June

No your being arrogant.

[Hinataa]

Wait I thought you and daddyblu converted plat to gold for AP? Dam all that clicking musta hurt your finger. Pleaseeee stop contradicting yourself guys .... GOSH it's getting old :/

Ahhahahajjajaaja, n didn't all elitista got ap from one person or all together n they proud they didn't get scammed AWESOME HAHHHAHA

CHOSE UR STORY:3

[Hinataa]

CTF doesn't even have the AP yet (from last I knew) he is working his way to it The Right Way


Thats true Emma, he doesn't have ap, because he wants to get it in legit way, i even asked him why didn't u do with us, he refuses thinking its not the point.

HE ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT AP SO PEOPLE WOULD GET IT LEGIT WAY, EVEN I SUPPORTED THAT WITHOUT THINKING PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY BORROW GOLD.

He suggested it because its achievement for him, he work really really hard to get it, and as u said u convert plat to gold, then buy maul n gear, get ap n buy again, sorry don't see hard work there.
And also u showed us ur guild didn't scamm n everyone got aps from u, so how come mommyjane complains like "all hard work" bla bla, don't all ur "hard work" fall in water if u help whole guild with that ap. That doesn't bother u?

People generally in this game need to stop looking for rankings, and actually play gae fair and morally.

Im also surprised how some people who do unfair things n lets call it "cheat", how low morals they have to come here and even post anything.

[Joncheese]

@mommyjane and @daddyblu

Then only reason you guys care so much is because of lb. you think you are the only ones who worked hard... In fact I can guarantee you that you definitely have not worked as hard as others.

You have admitted to buying the AP mainly with conversion. That's not work lol. I know many players who merched their arses off to get this AP. I should know, Emma is one of them. Can you 2 honestly say you sat up every night for week selling items. No, you can't. Emma and I can. We achieved this AP on our route to saving for staffs (that's plural as we needed 2), not because we NEEDED the AP....

You have clarified that the main reason your nose is out of joint is because you will be knocked off lb...... Try to look at the bigger picture for the last time please rather than worrying about where ur placed on lb.

This is not a complete solution to the problem, but it's a start, and I'm sorry but you are of a very small minority that think so. The rest of the support comes from the whole of the community that is voiced by its most senior and respected members.

I only wish I had been active when this was proposed, I would of said the same thing then.

I don't think ur points can be shown as constructive anymore as you seem to be repeating yourself. So let's just leave it at that.

I respect your opinion. But do I agree with it? Hell no.

[Daddyblu]

@mommyjane and @daddyblu

Then only reason you guys care so much is because of lb. you think you are the only ones who worked hard... In fact I can guarantee you that you definitely have not worked as hard as others.

You have admitted to buying the AP mainly with conversion. That's not work lol. I know many players who merched their arses off to get this AP. I should know, Emma is one of them. Can you 2 honestly say you sat up every night for week selling items. No, you can't. Emma and I can. We achieved this AP on our route to saving for staffs (that's plural as we needed 2), not because we NEEDED the AP....

You have clarified that the main reason your nose is out of joint is because you will be knocked off lb...... Try to look at the bigger picture for the last time please rather than worrying about where ur placed on lb.

This is not a complete solution to the problem, but it's a start, and I'm sorry but you are of a very small minority that think so. The rest of the support comes from the whole of the community that is voiced by its most senior and respected members.

I only wish I had been active when this was proposed, I would of said the same thing then.

I don't think ur points can be shown as constructive anymore as you seem to be repeating yourself. So let's just leave it at that.

I respect your opinion. But do I agree with it? Hell no.


i do understand you opinion John,

Just to be fair lets make a survey let the players vote to end this.

[Haligali]

OMG this guy pustolate1 is ING CTF i wonder what comes to his mind to have a 100m AP

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?122421-Buying-10-grimms-7m-ign-CTF

You should sell him your eggs, what you bought for plat.

[-no]

Just make the ap worth zero. Problem solved. Oh, and don't be dumb enough to loan out huge amounts of gold.

[Daddyblu]

You should sell him your eggs, what you bought for plat.

sold them all :P lets make a poll and let the players vote

[Emmacheese]

sold them all :P lets make a poll and let the players vote
And that doesn't mean you can make multiple accounts as STS can tell. Also I will not give up till this AP is gone. So daddyblu you will have a fight on your hands.

[queeniefly]

i totally agree. money is the root of all evil. ;c

[Daddyblu]

And that doesn't mean you can make multiple accounts as STS can tell. Also I will not give up till this AP is gone. So daddyblu you will have a fight on your hands.

why would i make multiple account emma? sorry i don't have time for that.

I suggesting this to see all the players vote.

to pleased you lets say the survey is only for Senior members members or above.

Or need to register with ING name so vote will be counted.

[Joncheese]

@daddyblu

Ok start a thread saying save the Midas touch.

[Emmacheese]

why would i make multiple account emma? sorry i don't have time for that.

I suggesting this to see all the players vote.
Your greed and supporting of scammers says otherwise and you know who you supported, and this was before this thread was created so IMO your words mean nothing here.

[Daddyblu]

@daddyblu

Ok start a thread saying save the Midas touch.

As i said STS can make a survey for sr. members only can vote.

that means new accounts cant vote or lets say only account with 2 months old can vote.

Simple

[Daddyblu]

Your greed and supporting of scammers says otherwise and you know who you supported, and this was before this thread was created so IMO your words mean nothing here.

Did i? i dont even know dream zzz. not a budy ing game or what so ever. LOL

i just read his story saying sorry.

[Dreuefesie]

As much as I think that the 100mil gold achievement should one of the greatest challenges in the game, it should never have had players scamming others for it.

I would say to never trust anyone but that obviously has been said by now and nothing has changed causing friendships to go down the drain and the loss of enjoyment playing this game.
So you would have my support to remove these achievements.

[Daddyblu]

As much as I think that the 100mil gold achievement should one of the greatest challenges in the game, it should never have had players scamming others for it.

I would say to never trust anyone but that obviously has been said by now and nothing has changed causing friendships to go down the drain and the loss of enjoyment playing this game.
So you would have my support to remove these achievements.

thats why lets make a survey for it.

[Hinataa]

Just one thing, so if u don't have those 3 gold aps u wouldn't be on lb?
Welll as i see u got aps from making plat into gold(not hard work at all) n then there r those guys who flaggged till 10k (really hard work) but don't have 100mil ap because they wanna get it legit way, or just don't have, n its fair for u to knock them down lb? If u wanna be on lb work hard n then this ap won't mean anything to u. Basically u just want ap to be on lb(i know people said it before lol).

its scamm waiting to happen.

Aand if u did achieve it by hard work, u wouldn't give an eff for ap, u would be happy u achieved that, for yourself.


Let the game begins:3

[Alfai]

@daddyblu

Ok start a thread saying save the Midas touch.

LOL!

You got my support cheeses :smile:

[Hinataa]

Same:3

[Paulsebi]

Just one thing, so if u don't have those 3 gold aps u wouldn't be on lb?
Welll as i see u got aps from making plat into gold(not hard work at all) n then there r those guys who flaggged till 10k (really hard work) but don't have 100mil ap because they wanna get it legit way, or just don't have, n its fair for u to knock them down lb? If u wanna be on lb work hard n then this ap won't mean anything to u. Basically u just want ap to be on lb(i know people said it before lol).

its scamm waiting to happen.

Aand if u did achieve it by hard work, u wouldn't give an eff for ap, u would be happy u achieved that, for yourself.


Let the game begins:3

There are only two APs we are speaking about (50 mil and 100 mil) :)

[Hinataa]

There are only two APs we are speaking about (50 mil and 100 mil) :)



I included 10mil in it also lol

[Daddyblu]

I included 10mil in it also lol

10m ap is old lols

[Hinataa]

10m ap is old lols

Wow really? >.<

I was talking bout gold aps in general. 10mil ap in like s3, it was sooo hard, 10x harder than 100mil ap in s5.

[Daddyblu]

Wow really? >.<

I was talking bout gold aps in general. 10mil ap in like s3, it was sooo hard, 10x harder than 100mil ap in s5.

10m ap is not hard u can open 100-200 crates Boom Sam, Maul, staff, ect ect,

[Eski]

10 m is not bad,but 50+100m are ...

[Hinataa]

10m ap is not hard u can open 100-200 crates Boom Sam, Maul, staff, ect ect,


That shows ure new player. In s3 there was only hj, n mythic helms &hooks, n there weren't many crate openers.

10mil was much harder than 100mil will ever be.

[Daddyblu]

That shows ure new player. In s3 there was only hj, n mythic helms &hooks, n there weren't many crate openers.

10mil was much harder than 100mil will ever be.

LOL in season 3 10m was easy for plat users.

1. armors and helm cost 13-15m.
2. Same with hammer jaws.

tell me how card it be?

in season 3 love already have more than 120m.

[Hinataa]

LOL in season 3 10m was easy for plat users.

1. armors and helm cost 13-15m.
2. Same with hammer jaws.

tell me how card it be? O


in season 3 love already have more than 120m.

S3 is cap 26. Explain me armors? Armors r lvl 31, get ur facts right.

Also, do u know when hj first came out his price was 800k. Were u playing in s3 at all?

[KingMartin]

10m ap is not hard u can open 100-200 crates Boom Sam, Maul, staff, ect ect,

Now how about those that cannot get plats? How easy it is for them to farm Filthy Rich title?

I farmed Filthy Rich several times but without luck lix for plat I would still be farming it.

Try to farm 10 millions using just Lepre and lixers from Klaas and Shaz. I think we will not see you on this forum for many weeks :smile:

[Emmacheese]

10m ap is not hard u can open 100-200 crates Boom Sam, Maul, staff, ect ect,

"Can" or Boom devourer junk!

[bhutkeyur]

Mocking at STS - is that really hard to keep game clean and compitative with just common sense?
everytime one of my friend scammed they hardly get items back or restored. Whats point of having support then? Remove support because its useless.
Damm your ToS - most mmo help scammed people and ban scammers from game. In opposite you guys not even trying. Scammers romes freely and victims are quitting game. Just tell me why people should not scam? - They can still play game after scamming. Indirectly STS support scamming by not acting.

For those ap I agree with Jon. But look at the big picture - there are lots other things in which cheating is involved. For exa - pvp kills and all. Make whole game clean, without cheat and fair for everyone.

Just remove everything which need support or encourage scamming or cheating.

[Daddyblu]

"Can" or Boom devourer junk!

Boom 5k gold :smile:

[Alfai]

LOL in season 3 10m was easy for plat users.

1. armors and helm cost 13-15m.
2. Same with hammer jaws.

tell me how card it be?

in season 3 love already have more than 120m.

Not sure whether the tone and manner of your post carries a hint of arrogance and cockiness.
Well its good that you (and the other 50 or 60 or whatever small numbers of your like-minded players) have the mean to spend money on plats and open thousand of crates to be well geared as you are now.

But this minute portion does not represent the larger sum of players who put many effoets to farm merch and anything legal to earn their gold and gears.and using such shortcut (which is not illegal) and earn a spot in lb makes me wonder why so defensive about banning this ap?we already aware you are among the "express" playeers with questionable abilities without those high end gears?

Im pretty you and your well funded resources can manage whatever aps that is coming.except elusive 4 perhaos where you have to bribe money to earn those ap.
(So you achieved ap using gold-the express way).

You can keep your midas title since it so much and you are well protected from scam.have some empathy on others who is not as fortunate as you.

[Joncheese]

Not sure whether the tone and manner of your post carries a hint of arrogance and cockiness.
Well its good that you (and the other 50 or 60 or whatever small numbers of your like-minded players) have the mean to spend money on plats and open thousand of crates to be well geared as you are now.

But this minute portion does not represent the larger sum of players who put many effoets to farm merch and anything legal to earn their gold and gears.and using such shortcut (which is not illegal) and earn a spot in lb makes me wonder why so defensive about banning this ap?we already aware you are among the "express" playeers with questionable abilities without those high end gears?

Im pretty you and your well funded resources can manage whatever aps that is coming.except elusive 4 perhaos where you have to bribe money to earn those ap.
(So you achieved ap using gold-the express way).

You can keep your midas title since it so much and you are well protected from scam.have some empathy on others who is not as fortunate as you.

Well said mate

[Haligali]

10m ap is not hard u can open 100-200 crates Boom Sam, Maul, staff, ect ect,

Are you sure? Yesterday i popped 150 crate, got nothing.

[matanofx]

LOL in season 3 10m was easy for plat users.

1. armors and helm cost 13-15m.
2. Same with hammer jaws.

tell me how card it be?

in season 3 love already have more than 120m.

I will just say WRONG, other people here have made awesome points to explain why this AP should be gone (atleast for the time being) but i will address what you just said in this comment.

Mythic armors were not introduced untill season 4

Love did NOT have 120m in season 3, 120m was so far away from the limitation of the game and as a person who knew love i can tell you he did not have that much

I remember seeing hammerjaw for 9m in auction during season and everyone in my guild (deviant misfits back then) laughed at how crazy that price is, and they were some of the richest people in this game.

I wont comment on this thread anymore i feel arguing with you is leading to nothing you just want your lb spot and aps regardless of the consequences.

Let the developers and mods decide, its clear to me whos a minority opinion.

[Hinataa]

Also.. 10mil was cap back then i think? Im not sure anymore i think

[Daddyblu]

I will just say WRONG, other people here have made awesome points to explain why this AP should be gone (atleast for the time being) but i will address what you just said in this comment.

Mythic armors were not introduced untill season 4

Love did NOT have 120m in season 3, 120m was so far away from the limitation of the game and as a person who knew love i can tell you he did not have that much

I remember seeing hammerjaw for 9m in auction during season and everyone in my guild (deviant misfits back then) laughed at how crazy that price is, and they were some of the richest people in this game.

I wont comment on this thread anymore i feel arguing with you is leading to nothing you just want your lb spot and aps regardless of the consequences.

Let the developers and mods decide, its clear to me whos a minority opinion.

maybe im not even sure my self.. all i remember is i got my mythic armor for 11m or 12m i forgot and love sold a lot f hooks and mythics back then.

[Soundlesskill]

Hey guys,

We've actually been talking about removing the top 3 gold achievements for a while now, given the scamming issues that come up from them. The team is sensitive to the titles, those who have them and those who would like to obtain them in the future. We don't have a specific course of action that we're prepared to announce, but I think it is safe to say that we will be doing something with them in the future.

Thanks for keeping this thread friendly.

Well.. You should.

[Prahasit Prahi]

I heard that STS saves up all the chats and traded logs
As these many people are shouting y cant u people jus ban that player...............it would be good if u return their gold also

[Milan Lame Man]

its clear to me whos a minority opinion.
But it's not clear who is right.
I know for sure that if I spent like USD 5k+ to get a title that is then removed from game (and for a not very good reason!), I would quit all STS games for life.

Edit: It reminds me of the pirate rings bug that were simply changed after people paid good money for them. After this I cannot trust STS, so I am not spending any money on this game. Removing Midas Touch would be way more severe.

Edit 2: I do not want this to be removed from game because I am afraid that many plat spenders would quit. My trust in STS is already shaken so I don't really care personally.

[iluvataris]

I just wan't to say i'm for removing the achievement, Everything i had on my mind has been covered.


http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?110117-100m-title

This ap was suggested by a player - with minimal support, no one seriously thought it can go live, everyone was joking in the thread - and removing is suggested by another player with much more support.


I also wanted to point out in post #25 of the thread we're 100m achievement was suggested..

Inkredble called it lmao
INK- about title suggestion for 100m
"troll thread but

[I scammed]

[I paid $10,000 for this]"

[Paulsebi]

But it's not clear who is right.
I know for sure that if I spent like USD 5k+ to get a title that is then removed from game (and for a not very good reason!), I would quit all STS games for life.

The people are right :)

Let everyone say their point as afterall STS can conclude what majority decided.

We are going off topic, nobody care how much ppls spent on a game, we are speaking about MINIMIZING THE TEMPTATIONS for SCAMMERS.

Say your opinion simple : "I don't want 50 m and 100 mil APs to be removed" or " I do want the APs to be removed".

We all spent, we all worked hard, and look at Jon and Emma! They both worked hard (I'm sure harder than most) but they started the thread and they asked for removal of APs, true? Do they leave game? NO! They want less temptations for scammers like most of us!

Back on topic!

[Daddyblu]

But it's not clear who is right.
I know for sure that if I spent like USD 5k+ to get a title that is then removed from game (and for a not very good reason!), I would quit all STS games for life.

I can feel you! and i think most plat used and big spender wont like this.

removing the AP just because a few careless people made mistakes.

Minimizing scam? no one force you to lend them gold if you lend them gold it is by trade so it means by the time you lend your gold you are aware of the consequences that will happen.

So now got scammed deal with it! its your own fault no matter how many times STS times you guys not to trust anyone online, dont share accounts, dont share gold.

But since you all have hard head as rock, I want to cool, i want to be hero help my friends bla bla bla...! result scammed.

If you think removing the AP will help and stop people from scamming your wrong again. scammers will just look for another reason to scam like borrowing items MAUL, Arcane staff ect ect..its just like the same amount of midas touch a lesser than 30m.

Geeezz i hope all people learn from this and dont let anyone borrow your items and gold!

So you guys wont hassle a lot of plat users!

[Emmacheese]

Reading through these posts I would just like to say my humanity in this game has been restored a little, there is some truly great selfless people here :love_heart:

[Emmacheese]

I can feel you! and i think most plat used and big spender wont like this.

removing the AP just because a few careless people made mistakes.

Minimizing scam? no one force you to lend them gold if you lend them gold it is by trade so it means by the time you lend your gold you are aware of the consequences that will happen.

So now got scammed deal with it! its your own fault no matter how many times STS times you guys not to trust anyone online, dont share accounts, dont share gold.

But since you all have hard head as rock, I want to cool, i want to be hero help my friends bla bla bla...! result scammed.

If you think removing the AP will help and stop people from scamming your wrong again. scammers will just look for another reason to scam like borrowing items MAUL, Arcane staff ect ect..its just like the same amount of midas touch a lesser than 30m.

Geeezz i hope all people learn from this and dont let anyone borrow your items and gold!

So you guys wont hassle a lot of plat users!

Your just repeating yourself now, you have said your piece we know your view. I don't think you are actually getting the point of this! And you contradict yourself wayyyyy too much! Just take the lb letters out of your eyes for a second. Moving on ....

[Joncheese]

But it's not clear who is right.
I know for sure that if I spent like USD 5k+ to get a title that is then removed from game (and for a not very good reason!), I would quit all STS games for life.

Edit: It reminds me of the pirate rings bug that were simply changed after people paid good money for them. After this I cannot trust STS, so I am not spending any money on this game. Removing Midas Touch would be way more severe.

Edit 2: I do not want this to be removed from game because I am afraid that many plat spenders would quit. My trust in STS is already shaken so I don't really care personally.


The pirate rings were a mistake, and I lost a lot of gold during this. But as it says in the TOS STS have the right to change anything any time to do with the game. And let's be honest, they were OP and everyone knew it.

Back on topic....

If this is removed the only players that will leave will be the ones who did not achieve the AP the way that it was intended. It was created as a reward for merching I presume. And if you have purchased it using plat that is as much of a cop out as being loaned it from a friend. They would of said 'this is an AP for how much plat you can spend ' and whilst I'm sure they would of loved to of had this lol, they certainly did not make it for this reason.


The people are right :)

Let everyone say their point as afterall STS can conclude what majority decided.

We are going off topic, nobody care how much ppls spent on a game, we are speaking about MINIMIZING THE TEMPTATIONS for SCAMMERS.

Say your opinion simple : "I don't want 50 m and 100 mil APs to be removed" or " I do want the APs to be removed".

We all spent, we all worked hard, and look at Jon and Emma! They both worked hard (I'm sure harder than most) but they started the thread and they asked for removal of APs, true? Do they leave game? NO! They want less temptations for scammers like most of us!

Back on topic!

Out of thanks Paul. I'm pleased that we have someone and so many others that can see what we are trying to achieve. This is not a popularity contest or a bitter thread based on jealousy and greed, it's is purely to MINIMIZE THE SCAMS. We just want to make the game a safer place with less temptation and less opportunity to abuse peoples trust.

As I continually say, the main achievement is having the gold. That is the biggest reward. Most would be happier to say that they had half of the gold for the achievement rather than I title that says so.

Thank you all again for taking the time to write your thoughts. I appreciate them all and respect all opinions... Even if I don't agree with them.

Gratefully yours.

Jon

[csyui]

I believe a small group of platinum players would prefer AP for amount of platinum spent in game. :cat:

[Rare]

I believe a small group of platinum players would prefer AP for amount of platinum spent in game. :cat:

True... turn that gold title into a plat title with AP!

[alexdroog]

I am a plat player and I want the APs to be removed.

AL ist free of advertisement and free to play, yet there is no free lunch.
All STG employees want to get paid for their jobs and servers aren’t for free either. That’s why I buy plat like in WOW others pay for the online account.

But this is too much.
Not only the scamming problem but also the people who have a gambling issue. 100 Mio. in Plat is about 3.000 $...


Btw – midas died by turning himself into gold. Your guildies are more important. Why not share your wealth with them?

[Daddyblu]

Your just repeating yourself now, you have said your piece we know your view. I don't think you are actually getting the point of this! And you contradict yourself wayyyyy too much! Just take the lb letters out of your eyes for a second. Moving on ....

Its not just about LB its the ammount of money we spend on this game!
I rather agree they will reset all midas touch! And from now on no more brorrowing!

This scammed issue players must learn from it!

[prettymikhazuki]

sts made that ap for their own profit.. players will need to spend more money for them to be able to get the title.. thats sts wants.. only thinking for their own benefits..:p

[Daddyblu]

I am a plat player and I want the APs to be removed.

AL ist free of advertisement and free to play, yet there is no free lunch.
All STG employees want to get paid for their jobs and servers aren’t for free either. That’s why I buy plat like in WOW others pay for the online account.

But this is too much.
Not only the scamming problem but also the people who have a gambling issue. 100 Mio. in Plat is about 3.000 $...


Btw – midas died by turning himself into gold. Your guildies are more important. Why not share your wealth with them?

When you share you are aware of the consequence that they might run your gold.

Dont tell me at the back of your mind that it not made you think he might run or wont return it back.

So its clearly you are aware if what you are giving them.
So when you get scammed dont blame sts its your own fault .
Stop acting like kids! And blaming the misdas touch it has nothing to do with you being scammed.

[Daddyblu]

sts made that ap for their own profit.. players will need to spend more money for them to be able to get the title.. thats sts wants.. only thinking for their own benefits..:p

Well sts did not force anyone of you to spend on the tittle its. Its up to the player if he wants the tittle.
So again this is irrelevant answer.

[KingMartin]

Well, if people are buying Midas Touch by RL money, why not giving those addicts better possibility? And no scam possible?

Collect 1,000 plats!

Collect 10,000 plats!

Collect 100,000 plats!

Of course just a title, AP=0 :)

Sorry for the touch of irony but those posts about plat spenders leaving the game are getting ridiculous - no harm or offense intended :)

[Daddyblu]

Well in my guild most of us are expats we rather spend cash than farming whole day we dont have the time for it.

Lets say each of us spend 300-500 usd for plats budget per month and i know round 40+ in middle east in my guild.

Its around 20,000-30,000 USD. FYI STS earn money from plats users.
Players who play for free farmed items - plat users buy items from converting plats to gold
This is how the game works.

We will see if this game will still run with all free users playing.. Arcane legends will die with out plats users.

Go banned and midas touch and we will see.

[JaytB]

Maybe there's some middle ground to be found...

I agree that something needs to be done, even if the person who got scammed has him/her self to blame. It's just too easy and too harsh of a scam to let it be like it is in its current form. There's a big difference between lending an item or lending whatever to achieve AP's. the AP associated with the Midas touch is basically what gives scammers a valid reason to ask you for your hard earned gold.

That said, I also understand that people who spend a lot of plat just for the AP's, shouldn't be 'punished' for people's lack of common sense. Taking away the AP wouldn't be fair to them.

So these are basically the 2 sides to the story as I understood it and personally, I think they are both valid things to consider.

So yeah, although I haven't figured it out (yet?), maybe there might be another solution to this. One less drastic as to remove the AP while simultaneously lowering (or eliminating) the chances to get scammed because of it.

There are many smart people on the forums so I'm positive that we could come up with something that could potentially be a solution for both parties. At least that's what I'll focus on in the rest of my post.

The best I could come up with for the moment (and I saw someone suggest something similar somewhere), is keeping the AP but making you hold the gold for a specific amount of time before it's granted.

One of the problems would be were you need to keep the gold. Do you have to keep it on one character or in stash for a period of time? To me it feels most convenient if we could just have the amount of gold in our account and get the AP granted just once per account, while every character in that account would automatically get the title. This would also prevent people/guilds from just creating a ton of alts in the same account and give them the Midas touch to boost up their total guild AP's.

I do see a problem with having alts in different guilds and which toon should get the AP's for leaderboards purposes, so let's look at the stash option. With this option, you could basically keep all the AP's, but every toon that wants it need to stash 100 mil (minus 1 gold) for a specific period of time before the AP is granted to that character.

Second problem would be the time you'd need to have the gold in your account or your stash. Make it too short, and people will still ask for it, while making it too long could make it too hard for some to ever get there. I was thinking about a week or so before the AP gets granted.

Note that I didn't mention keeping the gold on a character for a longer period of time, because this would just be really inconvenient. You wouldn't be able to receive gold trades, cs sales or liquidation fees for items during the time period you're holding on to the gold.

So yeah, that's just a random possible way of keeping both AP's and lowering chances to scam significantly.

I dare you to do better! (Can't be that hard LOL)

[Limsi]

Well in my guild most of us are expats we rather spend cash than farming whole day we dont have the time for it.

Lets say each of us spend 300-500 usd for plats budget per month and i know round 40+ in middle east in my guild.

Its around 20,000-30,000 USD. FYI STS earn money from plats users.
Players who play for free farmed items - plat users buy items from converting plats to gold
This is how the game works.

We will see if this game will still run with all free users playing.. Arcane legends will die with out plats users.

Go banned and midas touch and we will see.

The removal of these titles do not equate to mass quitting of plat users. True enough that without plat players, this game would lose the funding and eventually decline. It goes the same :f non plat users leave the game, the remaining population will lose interest as well.

But why go far from the issue? Even before these achievements were introduced, there were lots of players spending plats poppin' this and that. Trust me on this one: removing this ap would not in any way affect plat spenders.

[beatrix]

I think it's up for the people who have the "100M" already. Helping friends is "SO FINE" but again, think first. Why would I lend even a friend "100M" for the fact that ME, MYSELF and I worked so hard to get this money? If we guys don't like to get scam or whatever you call you, be wise and smart. "THE MIDAS TOUCH" ... It's an ACHIEVEMENT POINT for the first place. It's not just a give away like what others do in lending their own money just to help people to get AP. Why put this as an ACHIEVEMENT POINT if we will just give it away? That's the problem. Yeah, I understand that we are being "FRIENDLY" or "WE HAVE SO CALLED FRIENDS" but guys, it's our fault too, accept it.


Think that it is "100,000,000" that we just wanna hand to someone for a second or seconds. But still .... It's 100M and an ACHIEVEMENT POINT at stake. Let's just be wise. No one wants to get scammed. It's still our decision. Just think that we work so hard to get the gold.


IT IS UP TO US NOW IF WE WANT TO LEND IT FOR "JUST" AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT. NEVERTHELESS, THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS AS AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT.


Thanks for reading :P


Peace everyone!

[Daddyblu]

Maybe there's some middle ground to be found...

I agree that something needs to be done, even if the person who got scammed has him/her self to blame. It's just too easy and too harsh of a scam to let it be like it is in its current form. There's a big difference between lending an item or lending whatever to achieve AP's. the AP associated with the Midas touch is basically what gives scammers a valid reason to ask you for your hard earned gold.

That said, I also understand that people who spend a lot of plat just for the AP's, shouldn't be 'punished' for people's lack of common sense. Taking away the AP wouldn't be fair to them.

So these are basically the 2 sides to the story as I understood it and personally, I think they are both valid things to consider.

So yeah, although I haven't figured it out (yet?), maybe there might be another solution to this. One less drastic as to remove the AP while simultaneously lowering (or eliminating) the chances to get scammed because of it.

There are many smart people on the forums so I'm positive that we could come up with something that could potentially be a solution for both parties. At least that's what I'll focus on in the rest of my post.

The best I could come up with for the moment (and I saw someone suggest something similar somewhere), is keeping the AP but making you hold the gold for a specific amount of time before it's granted.

One of the problems would be were you need to keep the gold. Do you have to keep it on one character or in stash for a period of time? To me it feels most convenient if we could just have the amount of gold in our account and get the AP granted just once per account, while every character in that account would automatically get the title. This would also prevent people/guilds from just creating a ton of alts in the same account and give them the Midas touch to boost up their total guild AP's.

I do see a problem with having alts in different guilds and which toon should get the AP's for leaderboards purposes, so let's look at the stash option. With this option, you could basically keep all the AP's, but every toon that wants it need to stash 100 mil (minus 1 gold) for a specific period of time before the AP is granted to that character.

Second problem would be the time you'd need to have the gold in your account or your stash. Make it too short, and people will still ask for it, while making it too long could make it too hard for some to ever get there. I was thinking about a week or so before the AP gets granted.

Note that I didn't mention keeping the gold on a character for a longer period of time, because this would just be really inconvenient. You wouldn't be able to receive gold trades, cs sales or liquidation fees for items during the time period you're holding on to the gold.

So yeah, that's just a random possible way of keeping both AP's and lowering chances to scam significantly.

I dare you to do better! (Can't be that hard LOL)


This solution we would agree!

Or making it lower to 10m 40m 80m with 1 week time holding the gold

[Bless]

Wow 17 pages 300 comments! Daaaaayyyyyyum

[Osabevie]

The O.P's post must beat some kinda record for being the most thanked :)


+1 to the idea

[Valsacar]

Hey guys,

We've actually been talking about removing the top 3 gold achievements for a while now, given the scamming issues that come up from them. The team is sensitive to the titles, those who have them and those who would like to obtain them in the future. We don't have a specific course of action that we're prepared to announce, but I think it is safe to say that we will be doing something with them in the future.

Thanks for keeping this thread friendly.

I honestly only made it to page 14 of this thread before I got tired of reading the same things.

This all boils down to one thing, "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID."

Those that have been "scammed" were stupid. It isn't even a scam, it's just someone being an idiot.

If I talked to you online for a month, and then said "Hey, could I borrow 5,000 USD, I'll give it right back." You'd laugh at me, and probably never speak to me again. What is any different here? There isn't anything different.

Remove the AP and you'll have another three threads whining about how someone lost something else and YOU need to fix their stupidity. They CHOSE to GIVE it to someone else, that was THEIR choice.

Everyone here that is saying to remove it can be boiled down into three groups.

1. I tried to cheat the system and gave my money to someone else, they never gave it back.

2. My friend is #1.

3. I don't have the achievement and never will, it's not fair that I can't be on the leaderboard without having to work for it. (or those that have it, but care about how it affects their guild rank)

The rest either don't care, want to keep it, or think removing it solves nothing.

[Rare]

Everyone here that is saying to remove it can be boiled down into three groups.

1. I tried to cheat the system and gave my money to someone else, they never gave it back.

2. My friend is #1.

3. I don't have the achievement and never will, it's not fair that I can't be on the leaderboard without having to work for it. (or those that have it, but care about how it affects their guild rank)

The rest either don't care, want to keep it, or think removing it solves nothing.

Well, I don't exactly fall into any of those catagories. Maybe 3, but I honestly couldn't care less about leaderboards (I think its the dumbest part of this game, but its makes some people happy, so who cares).

I think it needs to be changed. You're right, you can't fix stupid. But... you can protect stupid from themselves. Which is what governing bodies do. And which is what should be done here. I'm not saying get rid of it. Fix it.

[iluvataris]

You forgot about the people who ARE on the LB, have the achievment and want a solution.
Cause the scamming thing is rediculious. Its like a style of play in this game..
been gaming online for 15 years never played a game were scamming is this bad.

[Joncheese]

Maybe there's some middle ground to be found...

I agree that something needs to be done, even if the person who got scammed has him/her self to blame. It's just too easy and too harsh of a scam to let it be like it is in its current form. There's a big difference between lending an item or lending whatever to achieve AP's. the AP associated with the Midas touch is basically what gives scammers a valid reason to ask you for your hard earned gold.

That said, I also understand that people who spend a lot of plat just for the AP's, shouldn't be 'punished' for people's lack of common sense. Taking away the AP wouldn't be fair to them.

So these are basically the 2 sides to the story as I understood it and personally, I think they are both valid things to consider.

So yeah, although I haven't figured it out (yet?), maybe there might be another solution to this. One less drastic as to remove the AP while simultaneously lowering (or eliminating) the chances to get scammed because of it.

There are many smart people on the forums so I'm positive that we could come up with something that could potentially be a solution for both parties. At least that's what I'll focus on in the rest of my post.

The best I could come up with for the moment (and I saw someone suggest something similar somewhere), is keeping the AP but making you hold the gold for a specific amount of time before it's granted.

One of the problems would be were you need to keep the gold. Do you have to keep it on one character or in stash for a period of time? To me it feels most convenient if we could just have the amount of gold in our account and get the AP granted just once per account, while every character in that account would automatically get the title. This would also prevent people/guilds from just creating a ton of alts in the same account and give them the Midas touch to boost up their total guild AP's.

I do see a problem with having alts in different guilds and which toon should get the AP's for leaderboards purposes, so let's look at the stash option. With this option, you could basically keep all the AP's, but every toon that wants it need to stash 100 mil (minus 1 gold) for a specific period of time before the AP is granted to that character.

Second problem would be the time you'd need to have the gold in your account or your stash. Make it too short, and people will still ask for it, while making it too long could make it too hard for some to ever get there. I was thinking about a week or so before the AP gets granted.

Note that I didn't mention keeping the gold on a character for a longer period of time, because this would just be really inconvenient. You wouldn't be able to receive gold trades, cs sales or liquidation fees for items during the time period you're holding on to the gold.

So yeah, that's just a random possible way of keeping both AP's and lowering chances to scam significantly.

I dare you to do better! (Can't be that hard LOL)

I would be happy for a solution like this even though I don't agree with the AP.

If it is that important to some then fine keep it. Though I have to say that if the argument from the plat spenders side is purely because of the amount they have spent then I would say that this is unfair to those that don't. That being said make it a 0 point AP. Keep the title, and everyone is happy. Why? Because no one should get an achievement for the amount of plat or currency they spend in game. That, if everyone is honest, is ridiculous.

It would be good to hear in stone what the plat spenders reasons are for not wanting to get rid if the AP.

And in answers to a previous post, plat spenders won't stop playing if this is removed. Only a small percentage have obtained the title through this manner, and I'm pretty sure they're not playing the game just to get this title. I spend plat, I keep the game growing, and I enjoy it. This won't stop me from playing, as it does not make my gaming experience worse, in fact, it makes it better.

And whilst I am writing this someone else has been scammed 89 million. See what I mean. Yes it was their fault, yes maybe they shouldn't have been as stupid. But we are HUMAN.


Humanity (virtue), a set of strengths focused on "tending and befriending others"

[JaytB]

That being said make it a 0 point AP. Keep the title, and everyone is happy. Why? Because no one should get an achievement for the amount of plat or currency they spend in game. That, if everyone is honest, is ridiculous.

It would be good to hear in stone what the plat spenders reasons are for not wanting to get rid if the AP.




The problem is that it doesn't make everyone happy, obviously as you commented on the remarks of the people that wanted to keep their AP's. Let's say that you had spend a lot of money just to get those AP's, then STS says 'thanks but we're taking back those AP's'. I doubt you'd be very happy.

As for the reason in 'stone' why plat spenders don't want to get rid of the AP, I think the answer is obvious... You can hardly get that AP if you don't throw (a lot of) money at the game and it gives you an easy (but expensive) edge.

So yeah, definitely agreeing on the fact that the AP is ridiculous and shouldn't even exist. But it does, and taking it away at this stage in the game just sounds like a drastic measure to me. One that only hits the people who, even with how ridiculous it would seem, spend a ton of real money for this achievement.

That's why I suggested a way where scamming would be prevented and the AP kept, wouldn't that be more of a middle ground? one where, as you said, everyone can be happy with?

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about it either way. I'd never run around with a title that says 'ask me for gold' nor do I care in the least about AP's in general. Just trying to come up with a less black and white solution.

[Rare]

The problem is that it doesn't make everyone happy, obviously as you commented on the remarks of the people that wanted to keep their AP's. Let's say that you had spend a lot of money just to get those AP's, then STS says 'thanks but we're taking back those AP's'. I doubt you'd be very happy.

As for the reason in 'stone' why plat spenders don't want to get rid of the AP, I think the answer is obvious... You can hardly get that AP if you don't throw (a lot of) money at the game and it gives you an easy (but expensive) edge.

So yeah, definitely agreeing on the fact that the AP is ridiculous and shouldn't even exist. But it does, and taking it away at this stage in the game just sounds like a drastic measure to me. One that only hits the people who, even with how ridiculous it would seem, spend a ton of real money for this achievement.

That's why I suggested a way where scamming would be prevented and the AP kept, wouldn't that be more of a middle ground? one where, as you said, everyone can be happy with?

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about it either way. I'd never run around with a title that says 'ask me for gold' nor do I care in the least about AP's in general. Just trying to come up with a less black and white solution.

This is exactly how I feel about it

[Zaos]

Totally agree, think about SWOT(strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and Treats). This is an opportunity for scammers, they can get rich in 3 seconds by asking and betraying hi sbest friend or guild master or an officer. I can give you one tip: everything what you loot is yourse, don't give it away even to guys who pretend to be your best friend. And with this tip, you won't get scammed.

Zaoskwik

[saiyen]

Ban it! :thumbup:


Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk 2

[drgrimmy]

I too don't like the 50 and 100m achievements. Let me preface this by saying that I don't have them, so I am biased. Nevertheless, I would be happier if these aachievements were true markers of achievement rather than a marker of your social system and your ability to convince people that they can trust you with their gold. Furthermore, although these AP's can result in people scamming others for large sums of money, there was plenty of scamming going on in the game before these AP's and even the 10m AP went into effect. Unfortunately, the world is full of dishonest people, and AL will never be immune to this fact. That is not to say that there is not room for improvement, perhaps instituting many of the excellent suggestions in this and other threads (eg with more strict enforcement).

So we come to the issue at hand, the 50m and 100m AP's. Unfortunately, at this point I think we have to admit to the fact that the damage has been done, and there is no turning back. It would just be too unfair to many to get rid of these AP's at this point, unless everyone who already has them is ok with them getting removed (which I highly doubt). I think the best solution is to dilute the importance of these AP's. At this point the only things that matter for the leaderboards are the 5k and 10k flag and the 50m and 100m gold AP's. Increasing the number of difficult to obtain AP's would dilute the pressure to obtain these AP's. Pve kill AP's of 100k, 500k 1m, killing elite bosses 1000 times, winning a CTF or TDM match 1000 times, listing 1k or 10k items in the auction house, etc. are just a few examples. The list goes on... If there are other hard to achieve AP's out there that people could work towards, then perhaps there would not be so much pressure to get the 100m gold AP with the temptation to scam others.

I think this was suggested before they brought out the 50 and 100m gold AP and I was very dissapointed that they did not roll out a whole bunch of other hardcore AP's at the same time :(

[SayCreed]

Wow 17 pages 300 comments! Daaaaayyyyyyum
True dat

Let's end this
Sammy said they are looking to remove it

I <3 Miracle nao ;)

[Joncheese]

True dat

Let's end this
Sammy said they are looking to remove it

I <3 Miracle nao ;)

Agreed. All points across.

Thanks for the input :)

[Instanthumor]

Ughh, sorry guys, I ran out of thanks today.

[Daddyblu]

The problem is that it doesn't make everyone happy, obviously as you commented on the remarks of the people that wanted to keep their AP's. Let's say that you had spend a lot of money just to get those AP's, then STS says 'thanks but we're taking back those AP's'. I doubt you'd be very happy.

As for the reason in 'stone' why plat spenders don't want to get rid of the AP, I think the answer is obvious... You can hardly get that AP if you don't throw (a lot of) money at the game and it gives you an easy (but expensive) edge.

So yeah, definitely agreeing on the fact that the AP is ridiculous and shouldn't even exist. But it does, and taking it away at this stage in the game just sounds like a drastic measure to me. One that only hits the people who, even with how ridiculous it would seem, spend a ton of real money for this achievement.

That's why I suggested a way where scamming would be prevented and the AP kept, wouldn't that be more of a middle ground? one where, as you said, everyone can be happy with?

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about it either way. I'd never run around with a title that says 'ask me for gold' nor do I care in the least about AP's in general. Just trying to come up with a less black and white solution.


John dont get our point at all. Its not just about the achivement points its about the money people invest to get this AP.
If you think we get this AP the easy way by purchashing plats you are wrong.

1.) did you guys think where did we get the cash to purchase plats? ( kids dont understand this they just ask money from parents)
2.)we all know its hard to earn $$$$ at this time.
3.) yes its our money and spending it on this game is our way of plesure! We work hard at the office got a few extra dolars spend on the game.

Get this to your skull that no one force you to let them lend your gold your the one who gave the scammers oppunity by letting them fool you!

@the people who got scammed spi feel sorry for you but Grow up take responsibilities and dont let other players pay for mistakes you made.

[Rare]

^^

45771

j/k sprtcuz

[Daddyblu]

I think it's up for the people who have the "100M" already. Helping friends is "SO FINE" but again, think first. Why would I lend even a friend "100M" for the fact that ME, MYSELF and I worked so hard to get this money? If we guys don't like to get scam or whatever you call you, be wise and smart. "THE MIDAS TOUCH" ... It's an ACHIEVEMENT POINT for the first place. It's not just a give away like what others do in lending their own money just to help people to get AP. Why put this as an ACHIEVEMENT POINT if we will just give it away? That's the problem. Yeah, I understand that we are being "FRIENDLY" or "WE HAVE SO CALLED FRIENDS" but guys, it's our fault too, accept it.


Think that it is "100,000,000" that we just wanna hand to someone for a second or seconds. But still .... It's 100M and an ACHIEVEMENT POINT at stake. Let's just be wise. No one wants to get scammed. It's still our decision. Just think that we work so hard to get the gold.


IT IS UP TO US NOW IF WE WANT TO LEND IT FOR "JUST" AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT. NEVERTHELESS, THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS AS AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT.


Thanks for reading :P


Peace everyone!


Beacuse they want to be cool and friendly? Good reputation maybe? Or just showoff maybe hey im rich you can borrow gold from me ill help you get the misdas touch I am and the man.

With out thinking the consequence but im sure they are aware of it. 100m is not like 100k that it will not cross your mind or will give you doubts, fear that this guy wont return it.

But. Still you made your choice you chose to let them borrow you gold so why make everyone pay for your mistske?

Live with it and move on!

[Avshow]

please review the whole thread, you can see how many agree with removing ap and how many disagree with it.

I think the result is obvious.



Beacuse they want to be cool and friendly? Good reputation maybe? Or just showoff maybe hey im rich you can borrow gold from me ill help you get the misdas touch I am and the man.

With out thinking the consequence but im sure they are aware of it. 100m is not like 100k that it will not cross your mind or will give you doubts, fear that this guy wont return it.

But. Still you made your choice you chose to let them borrow you gold so why make everyone pay for your mistske?

Live with it and move on!

[Joncheese]

Beacuse they want to be cool and friendly? Good reputation maybe? Or just showoff maybe hey im rich you can borrow gold from me ill help you get the misdas touch I am and the man.

With out thinking the consequence but im sure they are aware of it. 100m is not like 100k that it will not cross your mind or will give you doubts, fear that this guy wont return it.

But. Still you made your choice you chose to let them borrow you gold so why make everyone pay for your mistske?

Live with it and move on!


I think you will find the majority of people scammed are guildies that are trying to help there fellow guild members out. Ring any bells? Isn't this what you did? You we're just INCREDIBLY lucky to have not been scammed. Pretty sure that a little understanding would go a long way here.... Perhaps try putting yourself in their shoes.... Shouldn't be too difficult, all you have to do is imagine that one of your guildies had done the same thing. How would you feel?



John dont get our point at all. Its not just about the achivement points its about the money people invest to get this AP.
If you think we get this AP the easy way by purchashing plats you are wrong.

1.) did you guys think where did we get the cash to purchase plats? ( kids dont understand this they just ask money from parents)
2.)we all know its hard to earn $$$$ at this time.
3.) yes its our money and spending it on this game is our way of plesure! We work hard at the office got a few extra dolars spend on the game.

Get this to your skull that no one force you to let them lend your gold your the one who gave the scammers oppunity by letting them fool you!

@the people who got scammed spi feel sorry for you but Grow up take responsibilities and dont let other players pay for mistakes you made.

Ok, first of all, don't get your knickers in a knot.

I understand what you are saying I just don't agree with it. First of all I'm not a kid. Second of all I also invested a lot of money into this game because I too get a lot of pleasure and enjoyment out of this. Thirdly if you guys want to keep the AP then fine, but I don't think you should be awarded any points for it. This is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying.

I don't know why you are becoming aggressive by saying that I need to get this into my skull, because I understand all of the valid points put accross in this argument. I think you are continually missing the point that we are just trying to make it less likely to be scammed by removing the main cause of the biggest way/reason to scam in game.

Yes daddy as u keep pointing out people should be more intelligent blah blah blah. The reality is that we are HUMAN BEINGS and we as a species will try and trust and befriend people. It's in our nature (well maybe not everyone) and we are too trusting sometimes. Oh and you saying that you shouldn't pay for other peoples mistakes.... Seriously? Take a look at the players supporting this thread. Plat spenders, free players, all walks of life. None of them are concerned about anything other than making this game a better place, and none of them are worried about how it's going to affect their purse. They just want a better society (and yes, game or not that is what this is).

I think you and I have put our points across about this enough now. I get what your saying, you get what I'm saying. Unfortunately you are in the minority, deal with it.

Let's just see what the devs come up with now, as this going back and fourth is getting no-one anywhere. You've said your piece, I've said mine, can't do anymore than that.

[Zeus]

Beacuse they want to be cool and friendly? Good reputation maybe? Or just showoff maybe hey im rich you can borrow gold from me ill help you get the misdas touch I am and the man.

With out thinking the consequence but im sure they are aware of it. 100m is not like 100k that it will not cross your mind or will give you doubts, fear that this guy wont return it.

But. Still you made your choice you chose to let them borrow you gold so why make everyone pay for your mistske?

Live with it and move on!

Where's that thread about your wife giving away something expensive of yours? Mistakes happen.

[Emmacheese]

Where's that thread about your wife giving away something expensive of yours? Mistakes happen.

Enough said. Lols

[Hinataa]

Daddy u need to understand things u read. Stop making yourself sound stupid. U said same thing over n over again. U see how many people disagree with u. U keep talking like you r only one in al, n like all of us need to make YOUR wishes come true.
You r not only one. There r a lot of others n u need to understand you are out voted.

[carloanddar]

I totally agree with this!
-Papablecarlo (Climax Guild)

[Vhonglaurence]

Yehh its right guys

[Sleepdeprived]

An idea that came to me, besides the normal back and forth going on, was adding a "return" option to trades. It could be a button added to the trade page which shows recent trades, and for say 8 hours after you make a trade, both parties of the trade have the option to undo a trade. Also, during the 8 hours after, the items/gold traded can't be traded or sold again. It is bound to that character. This would obviously help if someone tries to take off with your gold (or really anything else).. Just take it back.

The only real downside I see to this exact thought is that the gold couldn't be used for the 8 hours, yet it's not something unthinkable. Also, this is just a rough thought, things could be adapted. Anyway, whether this is the answer or not, I don't think the other ideas listed here are the perfect answer either. They are going to have a downside to someone or another.

[Skaunared]

I hink the purpose of devs making these achievements is to makes those people (rich enough for " Filthy Rich") aim for more, too bad it turned out to be a means of scamming to some players. They took an advantage coz the borrowed gold can't be returned. Besides scrapping the achievement, I think we should eliminate scamming also by:

1. Improving support
2. banning permanently those scammers
3. and giving back the gold to their rightful owner (after investigations are done ofc)

In this way, we can still keep the "Midas touch AP" without having to fear of lending gold and being scammed. Sadly, at this moment, support can't do nothing as stated earlier, and for this reason, I would be happier for devs to remove the AP.

[moot]

hot thread..lemme post something..

[chitgoks]

skaunared is right. having some personnel dedicate to monitoring activities like scamming should greatly help minimize scammers. every action done should be logged to easily locate the last toon having that said item. once scammers' accounts are banned (including their real toons), this problem will be solved in a way

too bad those who are honest cannot get this ap because scammers are very agressive into fooling other players. so yeah, i say scrap those ap, keep filthy rich only and make up other aps that do not involve gold

[zorathorg]

Lulz.... Id love to sit all day watching stuff just like this...... But im not a support or a mod, and i cant get to stg

AL/PL/DL/SL - Anarchyz (Deadgoatgames.com)

[Skaunared]

skaunared is right. having some personnel dedicate to monitoring activities like scamming should greatly help minimize scammers. every action done should be logged to easily locate the last toon having that said item. once scammers' accounts are banned (including their real toons), this problem will be solved in a way

too bad those who are honest cannot get this ap because scammers are very agressive into fooling other players. so yeah, i say scrap those ap, keep filthy rich only and make up other aps that do not involve gold

Sadly there will still be scammers, my suggestion is to lessen the "Temptation" to scam. Scammers will just think " why should I scam more, all of this will be for nothing, I'll be device banned permanently ". By improving support and implementing a strict rule and punishment, scamming will be a NO NO for players, and with this Arlor would be a better place to play in and players would live happily ever after!

[falmear]

All this over 200 AP points (100 APs each for Goldfinger/Midas)? For me I don't like these APs because when people ask you to borrow your gold, you have to find some way to turn them down without hurting their feelings. This puts me in a rather awkward situation. The game shouldn't make you feel like the bad guy because you're not willing to risk handing over all your gold to someone.

[Pvpandctf]

18 page #356 o.O

[zorathorg]

I dont even bother with AP points... Ive capped 3 times in PL so im moving on until new update

AL/PL/DL/SL - Anarchyz (Deadgoatgames.com)

[Butterysesh]

My heart gos out to the people who have worked extremely hard to earn 100m. Then to put trust in a friend only for there friend to simply log out and change name. Simple solution to this would simply be to make 0 ap, so you could still lb without this ap. When 100m is shown in there inventory alot of people will greedily just log out and take the 100m. Definetely agree will Jon, apollo and the others that share this opinion.

[chitgoks]

weird if they will feel bad if they get turned down. theyre not Gods or something

id totally understand if someone wont lend me those millions for a few sec just to get the ap.

thing is not everybody thinks like me

[katish]

I wanna say I got the achievement after begging for a very very long (online) time (which was about 2 weeks lol) to borrow the money.

Yes, I only got it for the AP so I could stay on leaderboard.

Yes, I vote to get it removed. Yes, I also believe people who lend money and got scammed were taking a risk and they should not blame anyone but themselves. It should't fall onto STS' shoulder to track down conversations and transactions to determine wether something was scammed or not by virtue of verbal agreements, this would be too much of a heavyload.

However, this AP promotes and facilitates scamming, remove it and you remove the temptation that comes with it. Risk mitigation.

I am a plat spender (used to be a heavier one) but I strongly believe the advantage I get from it should not be so great as to discourage free players and get them into thinking they cannot achieve the same goals with hard work in game. When free players feel that way they leave and the game becomes less interesting and less competitive. This is why i strongly oppose to plat exclusive achievements (such as arcanes used to be).

If removing the AP is such a big deal, then please, bring in all those 98127438925639 other achievements we suggested a while back to remove the pressure on these 2 particular AP (gold and flags). There is no other reason to borrow 100m if not for AP and leaderboard as it's borrowed money you cannot spend.

As energizeric said, we should have such a variety of AP to be on leaderboard that we could chose which one to focus on and have different ways to achieve the LB goal.

------------------------
On a side note, I agree with trueorigins that STS has had a very erratic standing in dealing with various issues on the game. There is no consistency of conduct on their part. I will exemplify this with an email I saw from support where they returned an account that was claimed to be stolen - I will not get into whether the password was given away or not as it doesn't matter, because when STS returned the account they acknowledged the claim to be pertinent - but didn't return an item that went missing from said account. And they wouldn't tell what was done with it either.

Another recent, more public episode happened with grimm eggs. In this case they got their act together and devised a standardized procedure. But the same rationale applies to class balance, leaderboard wipe outs and various other aspects of the game.

[Daddyblu]

Emma and Jon,

Majority? Come on a lot of big time plat user dont even have a forums account.

I yes majority of the forum users agree but not arcane players, there are more than 20k players in arcane legends.

Dont blame the AP because you of carelessness, Let say we are human we make friends and its normal to help them.
But if we turn them down i dont think they will get mad or be offended its 100m after all.

Lets put this on another scenario. let me calculate how much 100m = 20k platinum converted platinum and converted to USD.

100m is like 1,058 USD, a friend who you meet online will ask can i borrow $1,058 for like 2-3hrs ill return them back.

You think you will let them? Come its hard to make money in real life and you will let someone you meet online borrow $1,058??
Even in real life its hard to let people you know borrow amount of money.
My point is this is online dont trust anyone but if you do trust them that is by your choice.
NO one force to and told you to lend them the money.
End of the day its still your call, your responsibilities.


I think it's up for the people who have the "100M" already. Helping friends is "SO FINE" but again, think first. Why would I lend even a friend "100M" for the fact that ME, MYSELF and I worked so hard to get this money? If we guys don't like to get scam or whatever you call you, be wise and smart. "THE MIDAS TOUCH" ... It's an ACHIEVEMENT POINT for the first place. It's not just a give away like what others do in lending their own money just to help people to get AP. Why put this as an ACHIEVEMENT POINT if we will just give it away? That's the problem. Yeah, I understand that we are being "FRIENDLY" or "WE HAVE SO CALLED FRIENDS" but guys, it's our fault too, accept it.

Think that it is "100,000,000" that we just wanna hand to someone for a second or seconds. But still .... It's 100M and an ACHIEVEMENT POINT at stake. Let's just be wise. No one wants to get scammed. It's still our decision. Just think that we work so hard to get the gold.
IT IS UP TO US NOW IF WE WANT TO LEND IT FOR "JUST" AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT. NEVERTHELESS, THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE THIS AS AN ACHIEVEMENT POINT.
Peace everyone!

We can only agree with Jaytb proposal. Its not only you john and Emma spend a lot of this game.


Maybe there's some middle ground to be found...

I agree that something needs to be done, even if the person who got scammed has him/her self to blame. It's just too easy and too harsh of a scam to let it be like it is in its current form. There's a big difference between lending an item or lending whatever to achieve AP's. the AP associated with the Midas touch is basically what gives scammers a valid reason to ask you for your hard earned gold.

That said, I also understand that people who spend a lot of plat just for the AP's, shouldn't be 'punished' for people's lack of common sense. Taking away the AP wouldn't be fair to them.

So these are basically the 2 sides to the story as I understood it and personally, I think they are both valid things to consider.

So yeah, although I haven't figured it out (yet?), maybe there might be another solution to this. One less drastic as to remove the AP while simultaneously lowering (or eliminating) the chances to get scammed because of it.

There are many smart people on the forums so I'm positive that we could come up with something that could potentially be a solution for both parties. At least that's what I'll focus on in the rest of my post.

The best I could come up with for the moment (and I saw someone suggest something similar somewhere), is keeping the AP but making you hold the gold for a specific amount of time before it's granted.

One of the problems would be were you need to keep the gold. Do you have to keep it on one character or in stash for a period of time? To me it feels most convenient if we could just have the amount of gold in our account and get the AP granted just once per account, while every character in that account would automatically get the title. This would also prevent people/guilds from just creating a ton of alts in the same account and give them the Midas touch to boost up their total guild AP's.

I do see a problem with having alts in different guilds and which toon should get the AP's for leaderboards purposes, so let's look at the stash option. With this option, you could basically keep all the AP's, but every toon that wants it need to stash 100 mil (minus 1 gold) for a specific period of time before the AP is granted to that character.

Second problem would be the time you'd need to have the gold in your account or your stash. Make it too short, and people will still ask for it, while making it too long could make it too hard for some to ever get there. I was thinking about a week or so before the AP gets granted.

Note that I didn't mention keeping the gold on a character for a longer period of time, because this would just be really inconvenient. You wouldn't be able to receive gold trades, cs sales or liquidation fees for items during the time period you're holding on to the gold.

So yeah, that's just a random possible way of keeping both AP's and lowering chances to scam significantly.

I dare you to do better! (Can't be that hard LOL)

This i will agree or reset everyone who got the title then no more borrowing!

IF you let them borrow its your risk your call!

[gundamsone]

People don't scam for AP's lol...
And there will always be friendship, trust and item/gold lending in any online game so nothing will prevent future scamming.

Why can't people understand it's STS to blame here and not these players.

STS also needs to read their freakin reports and take them more seriously.
One of the early big scammers back in season 2 is still playing to this day and he's setting a DAM FINE EXAMPLE for others to follow. *cough* k _ _ _ z _ _ _*cough*
To this day and to my limited knowledge, NON of these BIG NAMED SCAMMERS got banned for what they did. Some of them even attempted Round 2, 3, 4, 5, etc with a few name changes inbetween.
So BAN these guru scammers who started the notion of "scamming => easy money => no ban => win"

STS needs to step in, take responsibility, and put a leash on this issue , so here's what THEY SHOULD DO.
1. Remove that stickied thread where you guys take 0 responsibility for being scammed.
2. Make it aware to everyone in this game there is ZERO tolerance for scamming.
3. Read your reports b/c some players spend a good amount of time providing you with all the proof you need, so check those chat logs of yours.
4. Let the in game players know how to deal with this situation. Many scammed players don't speak out b/c they don't know how or where and few in this community offers a helping hand to these individuals.
5. Implement some players mods to control the bad cookies. There's many legitimate players who will put in their personal time to try and make the game better for the rest of us. Best part is it's a FREE service so you incure minimal costs to maintain this system.

*also review my account again plz so I can come back and help fight back against these people

[chitgoks]

@gundamsone lol that guy still active until now? didnt expect that

[Daddyblu]

People don't scam for AP's lol...
And there will always be friendship, trust and item/gold lending in any online game so nothing will prevent future scamming.

Why can't people understand it's STS to blame here and not these players.

STS also needs to read their freakin reports and take them more seriously.
One of the early big scammers back in season 2 is still playing to this day and he's setting a DAM FINE EXAMPLE for others to follow. *cough* k _ _ _ z _ _ _*cough*
To this day and to my limited knowledge, NON of these BIG NAMED SCAMMERS got banned for what they did. Some of them even attempted Round 2, 3, 4, 5, etc with a few name changes inbetween.
So BAN these guru scammers who started the notion of "scamming => easy money => no ban => win"

STS needs to step in, take responsibility, and put a leash on this issue , so here's what THEY SHOULD DO.
1. Remove that stickied thread where you guys take 0 responsibility for being scammed.
2. Make it aware to everyone in this game there is ZERO tolerance for scamming.
3. Read your reports b/c some players spend a good amount of time providing you with all the proof you need, so check those chat logs of yours.
4. Implement some players mods to control the bad cookies. There's many legitimate players who will put in their personal time to try and make the game better for the rest of us. Best part is it's a FREE service so you incure minimal costs to maintain this system.

*also review my account again plz so I can come back and help fight back against these people

My dear Friend,

1st good morning, im glad to see you active in forums.

yes true its not about the AP.

Yes yes i remember very well the Name of the person who scammed you still roaming freely In game.

And i hope they would bring Love back in action.

[gundamsone]

He's the one who got me banned along with some big ego pixel huggers in immaculate
The harassment level was over 9000!!!!!

the week before I got banned they told me "Love you're getting banned soon"
Me and the others around at the time were literally loling at that statement...talking with such authority coming from such disrespectful low class players
Guess I was wrong in the end hehe

Someone reading this go make a thread on how STS can put an end to this issue b/c there's a few good suggestions that could be made into a thread in this massive sea of posts.

[Daddyblu]

He's the one who got me banned along with some big ego pixel huggers in immaculate
The harassment level was over 9000!!!!!

the week before I got banned they told me "Love you're getting banned soon"
Me and the others around at the time were literally loling at that statement...talking with such authority coming from such disrespectful low class players
Guess I was wrong in the end hehe

Someone reading this go make a thread on how STS can put an end to this issue b/c there's a few good suggestions that could be made into a thread in this massive sea of posts.


I know who you are talking.. Ohh well life is unfair it always be.

Ill drop an inbox

back to the topic!

[Kakatoa91]

Keeping the midas touch ap or not?
Seriously I don't care.
But Id say just KEEP it!

You want to get rid off it. Fine... the scammers will just scamming for the other wealth aps.
Getting rid of all those wealth aps then? Scammers will keep scamming friendly nice people for any other stuffs.

Is this midas touch scam > than any other scam in the game?
For me no.
Scamming for a pixel or a dollar, both are just as bad.

The problem is not the title ap, the problem is the scammer.
And here sts has the responsability to make al, pl, dl, sl,... any game they are creating/have created a safer, fun place.

For me it is just ridiculous how the same guy can perform several times any scams before getting caught or even never... report/mail not working or fast enough response.

But then what scammer is getting banned. Account banned? He can create others or have already others waiting to be used. Device banned also? So what he'll use an other ipad, pod, tablet, phablet, phone, pc... ip banned? Use an other. Credit card trace? That I dont know lol... not sure if theyll ban the number for making any purchase in futur.

Its a hard job for sts, im pretty sure.
Trying to root out scammers, accomplices, money laundry.
(Wonder if sts not giving back the 100kk is because they were scammed by false scammed people lol)

there are ways to make this or their other games
safer without simply deleting this midas touch ap for sts. And its not much harder or time consuming than implementing crafting.
If I had to give some toughts: make the wealth ap tied
to your auction balance. If its positive for ex: 100kk, you get your title midas touch. Or buy it with plat gold also.
Im the kind of person who is: "you get what you work for it".

And why not, when you get midas touch title: to have the option to give title to 1 heir (friend) so no
abuse.
The newly midas touch guy can give also to 1 heir max only if he has himself in bank 100kk. And it goes on and on.

Other thing maybe, when trading high amount of gold to your friend for nothing, your friend get trading/buying unavailable (like we have with the low lvl) until he gives back to the person lending him the cash. (At least with that, no money laundry and easy to trace if he delete)

There are other ideas here and there in the forum.
But it should be sts finding better solutions against scams not us.

The only safe thing to do atm is for people is not to trade your 100kk.
You do it at your own risk. The vast majority still does it and hey they get their cash back! Sadly some trusted the wrong people.
Hard lesson learned for them.
Thats part of life. Deal with it.
And complain to sts if you want. Its your customers right, you spend your cash in this game.

I got 20 years of mmo and
scamming has been in all the games. Nothing new on the internet I deal with it. Im a kind guy when I play, I give hand anytime as long its not my arm or my body. And I lost lots of hands over the years on the internet lol.

The first scam ever I remember is when I discover Santa is a fake as a little kid (sorry for the spoiler here).
Or the classic eat your spinach so youll get strong like popeye!
(Bad parents... joking).

Irl,
friend scammed me,
gf scammed me,
bankS scammed me,
insuranceS scammed me,
job scammed me,
car company scammed me, politicianS scammed me, religion scammed me,...

Ahaha... Yea I know wth...
Thats the world we living in.
But hey, still live happily.

[KingMartin]

He's the one who got me banned along with some big ego pixel huggers in immaculate
The harassment level was over 9000!!!!!

the week before I got banned they told me "Love you're getting banned soon"
Me and the others around at the time were literally loling at that statement...talking with such authority coming from such disrespectful low class players
Guess I was wrong in the end hehe

Someone reading this go make a thread on how STS can put an end to this issue b/c there's a few good suggestions that could be made into a thread in this massive sea of posts.

Hey Love, unfortunately I did not have the opportunity to know you in the game and as I see I may never will. Frankly, I always wondered how those super-rich people earned so much gold, counting in 100s of millions. I know, everyone says merching, but I am simply still suspicious, because I can imagine that in the beginning the security systems were not so sophisticated and probably it was possible to earn money in various ways. I am not speaking about you, let me put this clear. On the other hand, as a super-efficient merchant, you have probably many enemies in the game. It's hard to have win-win deal everytime you merch.

I know Jon and Emm from their very start in the game and although we had same issues (hey we are human beings all after all) I must say that they earned their wealth by very hard work combined with massive use of RL money and finally, by merching. I was with them as we were endlessly grinding KM3 earning for myth sets through crates. I am bringing this is an example of players who earned their titles through extreme engagement in the game. I want to hope that all the super-rich came to their wealth in the same way.

Obviously, same as in real life, the more you have, the more problems you attract. It may be pure coincidence, but truth is that since asset APs were added, strange things are happening in the game.

The game would lose nothing of its attractiveness (quite the opposite) if those APs were cancelled (or assigned 0 AP points). Instead, bring more challenging gameplay points, as has been mentioned and suggested in previous threads. Everyone can then pick up path how to get on the LB of that is what he's after.

I by no means want to offend those who earned their money in the hard way. But, I see many hard core players (and owners of Midas Touch) voting against this AP.

I agree that scammers are still roaming freely in the Arlor world and I can tell you that is damn hard to protect the guild from them, taking screenshots of the candidates, observing their behavior, losing time to discuss suspects with fellow-officers. And yet - friend suspects friend, guilds are falling apart, guys are being booted for the slightest suspection and so on.

STS please do something about it - at least give us a private forum where we could discuss scammers freely (guildmasters only?), if you can't decide about each individual case.

[Emmacheese]

People don't scam for AP's lol...
And there will always be friendship, trust and item/gold lending in any online game so nothing will prevent future scamming.

Why can't people understand it's STS to blame here and not these players.

STS also needs to read their freakin reports and take them more seriously.
One of the early big scammers back in season 2 is still playing to this day and he's setting a DAM FINE EXAMPLE for others to follow. *cough* k _ _ _ z _ _ _*cough*
To this day and to my limited knowledge, NON of these BIG NAMED SCAMMERS got banned for what they did. Some of them even attempted Round 2, 3, 4, 5, etc with a few name changes inbetween.
So BAN these guru scammers who started the notion of "scamming => easy money => no ban => win"

STS needs to step in, take responsibility, and put a leash on this issue , so here's what THEY SHOULD DO.
1. Remove that stickied thread where you guys take 0 responsibility for being scammed.
2. Make it aware to everyone in this game there is ZERO tolerance for scamming.
3. Read your reports b/c some players spend a good amount of time providing you with all the proof you need, so check those chat logs of yours.
4. Let the in game players know how to deal with this situation. Many scammed players don't speak out b/c they don't know how or where and few in this community offers a helping hand to these individuals.
5. Implement some players mods to control the bad cookies. There's many legitimate players who will put in their personal time to try and make the game better for the rest of us. Best part is it's a FREE service so you incure minimal costs to maintain this system.

*also review my account again plz so I can come back and help fight back against these people

I know who you are talking about as my friends in the game have told me many scams he has done, It literally disgusts me he is still able to play. I agree with you, I would rather see a zero tolerance for scamming, than all this uproar about an AP, but hey you gotta start somewhere right?

[Emmacheese]

Emma and Jon,

Majority? Come on a lot of big time plat user dont even have a forums account.

I yes majority of the forum users agree but not arcane players, there are more than 20k players in arcane legends.

Dont blame the AP because you of carelessness, Let say we are human we make friends and its normal to help them.
But if we turn them down i dont think they will get mad or be offended its 100m after all.

Lets put this on another scenario. let me calculate how much 100m = 20k platinum converted platinum and converted to USD.

100m is like 1,058 USD, a friend who you meet online will ask can i borrow $1,058 for like 2-3hrs ill return them back.

You think you will let them? Come its hard to make money in real life and you will let someone you meet online borrow $1,058??
Even in real life its hard to let people you know borrow amount of money.
My point is this is online dont trust anyone but if you do trust them that is by your choice.
NO one force to and told you to lend them the money.
End of the day its still your call, your responsibilities.



We can only agree with Jaytb proposal. Its not only you john and Emma spend a lot of this game.



This i will agree or reset everyone who got the title then no more borrowing!

IF you let them borrow its your risk your call!

For the love of god you are repeating yourself again. And right now this is the only place where we can voice our opinion on this, so yes it is the majority ...... You can't speak for people who don't use the forums.

[Instanthumor]

For the love of god you are repeating yourself again. And right now this is the only place where we can voice our opinion on this, so yes it is the majority ...... You can't speak for people who don't use the forums.

Oh, gosh... He's still here?

[Daddyblu]

For the love of god you are repeating yourself again. And right now this is the only place where we can voice our opinion on this, so yes it is the majority ...... You can't speak for people who don't use the forums.

So?? are you repeating your self also? i repeat because you and your boyfriend don't understand its not about the AP!

Take responsibilities its your own fault wake up!

We are trying to make a solution with out taking out the Midas touch AP. but no great emma and jon can only think of one way!

BAN THE MIDAS TOUCH! WE ARE THE ONLY PLAT USER BLA BLA BLA!

[Emmacheese]

Oh, gosh... He's still here?
Yup I am starting to think it is a bot of some sort tho .....

[Emmacheese]

So?? are you repeating your self also? i repeat because you and your boyfriend don't understand its not about the AP!

Take responsibilities its your own fault wake up!
Lmao ..... I haven't been scammed .... I'm fighting for those who have.

[Instanthumor]

Yup I am starting to think it is a bot of some sort tho .....

I'll give a prize of 50k out to ANYBODY that finds that 'off' switch.

[Emmacheese]

So?? are you repeating your self also? i repeat because you and your boyfriend don't understand its not about the AP!

Take responsibilities its your own fault wake up!

We are trying to make a solution with out taking out the Midas touch AP. but no great emma and jon can only think of one way!

BAN THE MIDAS TOUCH! WE ARE THE ONLY PLAT USER BLA BLA BLA!

Hang on a minute ... Firstly don't put lies in my words, if you have read the posts you will see we are trying to come up with a solution ... What have you honestly given to this discussion? You really do wear that title huh.

Oh and by the way I will be posting this every time

Where's that thread about your wife giving away something expensive of yours? Mistakes happen.

[Emmacheese]

I'll give a prize of 50k out to ANYBODY that finds that 'off' switch.
100m (Midas touch amount)

[Limsi]

45793

[Instanthumor]

100m (Midas touch amount)

But I'm not that rich...unless...you're funding... O.o

[Instanthumor]

Awwww, poor lims, I ran out of thanks again...

[Joncheese]

Lulz.... Id love to sit all day watching stuff just like this...... But im not a support or a mod, and i cant get to stg

AL/PL/DL/SL - Anarchyz (Deadgoatgames.com)

Go and post your adverts somewhere else. You hijacked PL thread too with this.


Sadly there will still be scammers, my suggestion is to lessen the "Temptation" to scam. Scammers will just think " why should I scam more, all of this will be for nothing, I'll be device banned permanently ". By improving support and implementing a strict rule and punishment, scamming will be a NO NO for players, and with this Arlor would be a better place to play in and players would live happily ever after!

Thank you


So?? are you repeating your self also? i repeat because you and your boyfriend don't understand its not about the AP!

Take responsibilities its your own fault wake up!

We are trying to make a solution with out taking out the Midas touch AP. but no great emma and jon can only think of one way!

BAN THE MIDAS TOUCH! WE ARE THE ONLY PLAT USER BLA BLA BLA!

We are taking respsonsibility. We are acting on it.

And we never got scammed.... We're too smart. Some aren't and i do not punish them for that. I'm trying to help them.

Perhaps take note of the overwhelming response to this thread, i think you can clearly see that you're in the minority. Unless you're reading something i'm not.


People don't scam for AP's lol...
And there will always be friendship, trust and item/gold lending in any online game so nothing will prevent future scamming.

Why can't people understand it's STS to blame here and not these players.

STS also needs to read their freakin reports and take them more seriously.
One of the early big scammers back in season 2 is still playing to this day and he's setting a DAM FINE EXAMPLE for others to follow. *cough* k _ _ _ z _ _ _*cough*
To this day and to my limited knowledge, NON of these BIG NAMED SCAMMERS got banned for what they did. Some of them even attempted Round 2, 3, 4, 5, etc with a few name changes inbetween.
So BAN these guru scammers who started the notion of "scamming => easy money => no ban => win"

STS needs to step in, take responsibility, and put a leash on this issue , so here's what THEY SHOULD DO.
1. Remove that stickied thread where you guys take 0 responsibility for being scammed.
2. Make it aware to everyone in this game there is ZERO tolerance for scamming.
3. Read your reports b/c some players spend a good amount of time providing you with all the proof you need, so check those chat logs of yours.
4. Let the in game players know how to deal with this situation. Many scammed players don't speak out b/c they don't know how or where and few in this community offers a helping hand to these individuals.
5. Implement some players mods to control the bad cookies. There's many legitimate players who will put in their personal time to try and make the game better for the rest of us. Best part is it's a FREE service so you incure minimal costs to maintain this system.

*also review my account again plz so I can come back and help fight back against these people

We're just trying to limitate the damage, it wont solve the scamming but it takes away the reason to loan someone this amount of money (be it foolish or not daddyblu).

I do agree with you though mate, and if this dude continues to scam then something should be done about it. I'll help you if you like.

[Daddyblu]

Keeping the midas touch ap or not?
Seriously I don't care.
But Id say just KEEP it!

You want to get rid off it. Fine... the scammers will just scamming for the other wealth aps.
Getting rid of all those wealth aps then? Scammers will keep scamming friendly nice people for any other stuffs.

Is this midas touch scam > than any other scam in the game?
For me no.
Scamming for a pixel or a dollar, both are just as bad.

The problem is not the title ap, the problem is the scammer.
And here sts has the responsability to make al, pl, dl, sl,... any game they are creating/have created a safer, fun place.

For me it is just ridiculous how the same guy can perform several times any scams before getting caught or even never... report/mail not working or fast enough response.

But then what scammer is getting banned. Account banned? He can create others or have already others waiting to be used. Device banned also? So what he'll use an other ipad, pod, tablet, phablet, phone, pc... ip banned? Use an other. Credit card trace? That I dont know lol... not sure if theyll ban the number for making any purchase in futur.

Its a hard job for sts, im pretty sure.
Trying to root out scammers, accomplices, money laundry.
(Wonder if sts not giving back the 100kk is because they were scammed by false scammed people lol)

there are ways to make this or their other games
safer without simply deleting this midas touch ap for sts. And its not much harder or time consuming than implementing crafting.
If I had to give some toughts: make the wealth ap tied
to your auction balance. If its positive for ex: 100kk, you get your title midas touch. Or buy it with plat gold also.
Im the kind of person who is: "you get what you work for it".

And why not, when you get midas touch title: to have the option to give title to 1 heir (friend) so no
abuse.
The newly midas touch guy can give also to 1 heir max only if he has himself in bank 100kk. And it goes on and on.

Other thing maybe, when trading high amount of gold to your friend for nothing, your friend get trading/buying unavailable (like we have with the low lvl) until he gives back to the person lending him the cash. (At least with that, no money laundry and easy to trace if he delete)

There are other ideas here and there in the forum.
But it should be sts finding better solutions against scams not us.

The only safe thing to do atm is for people is not to trade your 100kk.
You do it at your own risk. The vast majority still does it and hey they get their cash back! Sadly some trusted the wrong people.
Hard lesson learned for them.
Thats part of life. Deal with it.
And complain to sts if you want. Its your customers right, you spend your cash in this game.

I got 20 years of mmo and
scamming has been in all the games. Nothing new on the internet I deal with it. Im a kind guy when I play, I give hand anytime as long its not my arm or my body. And I lost lots of hands over the years on the internet lol.

The first scam ever I remember is when I discover Santa is a fake as a little kid (sorry for the spoiler here).
Or the classic eat your spinach so youll get strong like popeye!
(Bad parents... joking).

Irl,
friend scammed me,
gf scammed me,
bankS scammed me,
insuranceS scammed me,
job scammed me,
car company scammed me, politicianS scammed me, religion scammed me,...

Ahaha... Yea I know wth...
Thats the world we living in.
But hey, still live happily.

this they will never understand

[Joncheese]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this i do agree with^^^^^^^^^^

[Daddyblu]

We are taking respsonsibility. We are acting on it.

And we never got scammed.... We're too smart. Some aren't and i do not punish them for that. I'm trying to help them.

If you want to help them, start on trying to get the gold back and banned the scammer and Ip-address so he wont be able to play again.

Stop blaming on the AP!

[Instanthumor]

If you want to help them, start on trying to get the gold back and banned the scammer and Ip-address so he wont be able to play again.

Stop blaming on the AP!

No one said anything about BLAMING the AP. The plan was to get rid of it to minimize scamming, as we have discussed earlier on this thread. I need to find this 'off' switch.

[Joncheese]

No one said anything about BLAMING the AP. The plan was to get rid of it to minimize scamming, as we have discussed earlier on this thread. I need to find this 'off' switch.

@daddyblu This is as clear as it can be written.

[Spell]

So?? are you repeating your self also? i repeat because you and your boyfriend don't understand its not about the AP!

Take responsibilities its your own fault wake up!

We are trying to make a solution with out taking out the Midas touch AP. but no great emma and jon can only think of one way!

BAN THE MIDAS TOUCH! WE ARE THE ONLY PLAT USER BLA BLA BLA!

How about keep the app but give no points for it.
That way you can still wear your preccious title..
Emma and jon havent not been scammed they are only trying to look out for the ones who have or would be because of this ap.
Its amazing how you put them out to be..
Two of the most selfless players in the game,but you go and make them out as the bad guys because you cant handle the fact that your precious title may he taken away.somone call the wambulance.
Anyways theres my two cents and i have plenty more change to go around. ;)
It amazes me the hatters we have in this game.

[Daddyblu]

@daddyblu This is as clear as it can be written.

Sorry Jon but we wont agree on this. try for another solution with out banning the AP. just like Jaytb suggested lets look for a middle ground.

Removing the AP wont be a solution and i hope everyone learn from this scam.

[Daddyblu]

How about keep the app but give no points for it.
That way you can still wear your preccious title..
Emma and jon havent not been scammed they are only trying to look out for the ones who have or would be because of this ap.
Its amazing how you put them out to be..
Two of the most selfless players in the game,but you go and make them out as the bad guys because you cant handle the fact that your precious title may he taken away.somone call the wambulance.
Anyways theres my two cents and i have plenty more change to go around. ;)
It amazes me the hatters we have in this game.

Look we did not spend money because we want the title. we spend the money for that Achievement Point.
How stupid of us to spend money on Zero achievement Point.
Can please think before you made this comment what made us spend money!

[Joncheese]

Sorry Jon but we wont agree on this. try for another solution with out banning the AP. just like Jaytb suggested lets look for a middle ground.

Removing the AP wont be a solution and i hope everyone learn from this scam.

For the final time, it is not going to completely stop it. It is RISK MITIGATION. The more you bang on about the AP meaning so much, the more you make yourself look silly. If you weren't on the LB because of it would you really care. NO.


Look we did not spend money because we want the title. we spend the money for that Achievement Point.
How stupid of us to spend money on Zero achievement Point.
Can please think before you made this comment what made us spend money!

And by you saying this you have just made everyone think you are not worthy of the LB. Grats

I give up with trying to make you understand. I wont be replying to anymore of your posts.... its a waste of my time and yours. Enjoy the game.

[Instanthumor]

Sorry Jon but we wont agree on this. try for another solution with out banning the AP. just like Jaytb suggested lets look for a middle ground.

Removing the AP wont be a solution and i hope everyone learn from this scam.

Again, if you've read the previous posts, not one person stated that removing the AP will be a 'solution'. If you have not read yet, in my earlier post, I stated that removing this AP will MINIMIZE the scamming... Boy, you're turning me into a robot too. And you've suggested a compromise, I don't see this as fit. There's nothing wrong, absolutely nothing, with removing this AP. You have nothing to lose, except for a couple hundred AP points, but sacrificing those AP points to minimize scamming is a very virtuous act. I don't think there needs to be anymore arguing about this topic, nor should there be anyone repeating his/her words/opinions, for I believe Sam or someone has mentioned about something being done to this AP as well. Which reminds me, I need to start looking for the 'off' switch again.

[Emmacheese]

Look we did not spend money because we want the title. we spend the money for that Achievement Point.
How stupid of us to spend money on Zero achievement Point.
Can please think before you made this comment what made us spend money!

OMG are you seriously SERIOUSLY contradicting yourself again??? Let me find that post where u say it wasn't for the LB...... Okay people I have a fix! Every warrior on the LB who does not have this AP - hit me up!

And you are now on ignore so I can not read your mind numbing posts. I really think you are a BOT

[Instanthumor]

Hey look Emma, we both have 300 posts. ;)

[Emmacheese]

Hey look Emma, we both have 300 posts. ;)
I think we should be friends! :cat:

[JaytB]

If all if you would be less concerned about writing a smart comeback reply to someone you don't like and start focussing that energy into coming up with a solution, we would've cracked this thing long ago.

I think it's funny how actual proposed solutions almost don't get any feedback at all. What are you guys here for? To call eachother out or to actually focus on a solution? Because to me it seems this thread has become more about the first than the latter.

Just had to get that out my system. If there's any 'real' feedback and discussion about a possible solution, I'll definitely chime in again. But until then, I'll let all of your egos run wild and let you guys run around in circles thumping your chest.

[Spell]

*Pounds chest like a gorilla*

[Spell]

He won't see this lia, as the other day he asked me to help with the haunted ap for 2 of his guildies, I used 35 plat on a combo and wouldn't even dream of charging .... However when koomy needed 1 the elusive 4 yesterday and he found he said he could go for 200k.....


Some are just in in for the gold not the enjoyment of playing :-/

[Emmacheese]

If all if you would be less concerned about writing a smart comeback reply to someone you don't like and start focussing that energy into coming up with a solution, we would've cracked this thing long ago.

I think it's funny how actual proposed solutions almost don't get any feedback at all. What are you guys here for? To call eachother out or to actually focus on a solution? Because to me it seems this thread has become more about the first than the latter.

Just had to get that out my system. If there's any 'real' feedback and discussion about a possible solution, I'll definitely chime in again. But until then, I'll let all of your egos run wild and let you guys run around in circles thumping your chest.
I 100% agree with you and I am guilty of being a forum troll on this!

[Instanthumor]

*Pounds chest like a gorilla*

*Does what LaDarkAngel does*

[Daddyblu]

For the final time, it is not going to completely stop it. It is RISK MITIGATION. The more you bang on about the AP meaning so much, the more you make yourself look silly. If you weren't on the LB because of it would you really care. NO.



And by you saying this you have just made everyone think you are not worthy of the LB. Grats

I give up with trying to make you understand. I wont be replying to anymore of your posts.... its a waste of my time and yours. Enjoy the game.


What ever Jon,

There is so such thing as scam only Stupid and careless people.

And as per Dephina

The midas touch AP is meant to be achieved by earning that much gold and not by asking your friends to borrow their gold to get the AP.

The gift function was designed as just that--to give items to other players with no expectation of having them returned to you. When you lend things this way, getting your stuff back depends solely on the goodwill of the “borrower.”

We’re very proud of our community members who want to share their items, and who truly want to help their friends. Sadly, as we are unable to retrieve stolen items—only investigate issues and distribute warnings accordingly—we strongly discourage the use of the gift function to loan items.

Please always keep in mind that we are on the Internet, and that there is no way to be sure who's on the other side of the connection. No matter how many raids you do together, no matter how much you hang out in-game or on the forums, unless you know someone in real life, there's no way to be sure that they're as cool as they've made themselves out to be!.

End

[Daddyblu]

If all if you would be less concerned about writing a smart comeback reply to someone you don't like and start focussing that energy into coming up with a solution, we would've cracked this thing long ago.

I think it's funny how actual proposed solutions almost don't get any feedback at all. What are you guys here for? To call eachother out or to actually focus on a solution? Because to me it seems this thread has become more about the first than the latter.

Just had to get that out my system. If there's any 'real' feedback and discussion about a possible solution, I'll definitely chime in again. But until then, I'll let all of your egos run wild and let you guys run around in circles thumping your chest.

Jay they don't want another alternate solution they just want to ban it.

No point in talking with this guys!

Your idea of holding the Gold for 1 week before granting the midas touch AP is good.

[Joncheese]

If all if you would be less concerned about writing a smart comeback reply to someone you don't like and start focussing that energy into coming up with a solution, we would've cracked this thing long ago.

I think it's funny how actual proposed solutions almost don't get any feedback at all. What are you guys here for? To call eachother out or to actually focus on a solution? Because to me it seems this thread has become more about the first than the latter.

Just had to get that out my system. If there's any 'real' feedback and discussion about a possible solution, I'll definitely chime in again. But until then, I'll let all of your egos run wild and let you guys run around in circles thumping your chest.

I hope this isnt a reference to me. My ego is small. Im just trying to limitate damage. Sorry if my passion has come across as egotistical. I just care alot about the game and my friends in it.

[Daddyblu]

Maybe there's some middle ground to be found...

I agree that something needs to be done, even if the person who got scammed has him/her self to blame. It's just too easy and too harsh of a scam to let it be like it is in its current form. There's a big difference between lending an item or lending whatever to achieve AP's. the AP associated with the Midas touch is basically what gives scammers a valid reason to ask you for your hard earned gold.

That said, I also understand that people who spend a lot of plat just for the AP's, shouldn't be 'punished' for people's lack of common sense. Taking away the AP wouldn't be fair to them.

So these are basically the 2 sides to the story as I understood it and personally, I think they are both valid things to consider.

So yeah, although I haven't figured it out (yet?), maybe there might be another solution to this. One less drastic as to remove the AP while simultaneously lowering (or eliminating) the chances to get scammed because of it.

There are many smart people on the forums so I'm positive that we could come up with something that could potentially be a solution for both parties. At least that's what I'll focus on in the rest of my post.

The best I could come up with for the moment (and I saw someone suggest something similar somewhere), is keeping the AP but making you hold the gold for a specific amount of time before it's granted.

One of the problems would be were you need to keep the gold. Do you have to keep it on one character or in stash for a period of time? To me it feels most convenient if we could just have the amount of gold in our account and get the AP granted just once per account, while every character in that account would automatically get the title. This would also prevent people/guilds from just creating a ton of alts in the same account and give them the Midas touch to boost up their total guild AP's.

I do see a problem with having alts in different guilds and which toon should get the AP's for leaderboards purposes, so let's look at the stash option. With this option, you could basically keep all the AP's, but every toon that wants it need to stash 100 mil (minus 1 gold) for a specific period of time before the AP is granted to that character.

Second problem would be the time you'd need to have the gold in your account or your stash. Make it too short, and people will still ask for it, while making it too long could make it too hard for some to ever get there. I was thinking about a week or so before the AP gets granted.

Note that I didn't mention keeping the gold on a character for a longer period of time, because this would just be really inconvenient. You wouldn't be able to receive gold trades, cs sales or liquidation fees for items during the time period you're holding on to the gold.

So yeah, that's just a random possible way of keeping both AP's and lowering chances to scam significantly.

I dare you to do better! (Can't be that hard LOL)

Sorry to bring this up but if anyone can think of a better solution as Jaytb propose then lets hear it.

Another wise this suggestion is very good.

[Spell]

Jay they don't want another alternate solution they just want to ban it.

No point in talking with this guys!

Your idea of holding the Gold for 1 week before granting the midas touch AP is good.

Idk about that.holding the gold for one week would still spell scam for those who WANT to help their friends out(its gunna happen ppl are always gunna wanna help friends out) also what if you spend some gold during that week of it being held?

[Limsi]

Greed gets no one anywhere but to his own demise. I'm not pertaining to anyone in particular here and I do understand that both sides have their precious say on the issue. We all have motives in life and you lads would never know what is behind a person's actions - the motivator for any output he has to present to the public. True enough we all want to achieve the ultimate banana (goal. I just wanted to use banana) here and that is none other than : the end days of scamming. The last page in the book.

I personally think that the best way to solve a problem is to (here we go again)

1. Identify the source (the ALPHA)
2. Find ways to provide solutions in fixing the source

In this issue, one of the crystal clear alpha is the introduction of these APs together with its most coveted titles. Wouldn't it be a right move to do something about it? I'm fine with abolishing these diabolic sources but I know for myself that there are also other ways of attending to the matter without putting others' motives at stake with these aps. Whatever the other solutions are, I'm pretty sure (like how JaytB would suggest) the community could come up with suggestions that proves to be a win-win for both parties. I'm hoping that the community starts seeing concrete ideas instead of countless whining and redundant blurting of one's side.

I'd like to thank the community for engaging themselves with this sensitive issue!

[Instanthumor]

Jay they don't want another alternate solution they just want to ban it.

No point in talking with this guys!

Your idea of holding the Gold for 1 week before granting the midas touch AP is good.

I hope you do realize, that even the idea of holding the gold for 1 week has flaws. This now gives the scammers more time to 'part' with their acquaintances, etc. Even if these people aren't scammers, there's gunna be a crap load of temptation on the holder's hands... 100 mil gold is a lot of gold we're talking about here.
Why do this, when you can simply just get rid of this AP (which I repeat, will only minimize scamming). There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I still don't see WHY you continuously insist on keeping this AP.

[Spell]

What if there was a 30 second timer after trades where u could "undo" the trade instantly?
Now dont pound on me for my thoughts lol

[Instanthumor]

What if there was a 30 second timer after trades where u could "undo" the trade instantly?
Now dont pound on me for my thoughts lol

That wouldn't necessarily work in this case. People that are going to gather 100 mil gold are probably most likely going to be close friends who trust each other. The person holding the 100 mil of gold can simply wait 30 sec before running off...

[Spell]

That wouldn't necessarily work in this case. People that are going to gather 100 mil gold are probably most likely going to be close friends who trust each other. The person holding the 100 mil of gold can simply wait 30 sec before running off...

Well i mean the person the gold belonged to in the first place.not the one who is receiving it for the ap.it only takes 1sec to get the ap.so there would be no need for them to hold it past 5 secs :p

[Instanthumor]

Well i mean the person the gold belonged to in the first place.not the one who is receiving it for the app.it only take 1sec to get the al.so there would be no need for them to hold it past 5 secs :p

This is true, but hey, you never know...
We can say there are two friends with 50 mil each....
They trade, so one person has 100 mil gold.
The person with 100 mil gold : "Oh darn, I need to take a real long, satisfying, piss.
*30 sec has passed*
Player with 100 mil gold : "BYE"

[Spell]

I know we can find a solution that makes everyone happy.

[Instanthumor]

Well, on the plus side... I think I may have found that switch. Now that's a solution the made everyone happy (more or less) !!!

[JaytB]

I hope this isnt a reference to me. My ego is small. Im just trying to limitate damage. Sorry if my passion has come across as egotistical. I just care alot about the game and my friends in it.

My post wasn't specifically meant for you but to what this thread has become in general. I mean, you read the responses right? Most of the commenters don't even try and come up with a solution, and that's what ticks me of.

[Daddyblu]

I hope you do realize, that even the idea of holding the gold for 1 week has flaws. This now gives the scammers more time to 'part' with their acquaintances, etc. Even if these people aren't scammers, there's gunna be a crap load of temptation on the holder's hands... 100 mil gold is a lot of gold we're talking about here.
Why do this, when you can simply just get rid of this AP (which I repeat, will only minimize scamming). There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I still don't see WHY you continuously insist on keeping this AP.

Yup we are talking about 100m! that's why dephina -The midas touch AP is meant to be achieved by earning that much gold and not by asking your friends to borrow their gold to get the AP

So if its my gold why would i lend you my 100m for a week. than would paralyze for a week.
Lets say also 4 people owned the 100m with 25m each and they want to help a co officer.

Im sure one of them will say no im sorry but 1 week is very long, im using my gold for merching.

@instanthumor seriously your asking why? did you read that a lot of people spend real money for this ap and you ask why?

are you willing to refund your self?

[Limsi]

Hmm..

What a scammer wants: the gold (does not care bout the a.p.)
What an l.b. achiever wants: the a.p. (does not care about the gold)
What a heartless and selfish individual wants: both gold and a.p. (does not care bout' anything)

What we can remove:

the achievement that grants the a.p but at the same time provide any other means of gathering achievement points. In this way, not only it gives diversity in the l.b. competition but also minimizes the risk of scamming. Hey I'm pretty sure the l.b. achiever won't mind having this section of the l.b. removed as he/she is an "achiever"! He could work and prove himself to be someone who deserves the banner by excelling at other fields in the competition. It's a win-win as everyone gets to keep their purse safe and sound while having the chance to compete!

but then again there might be better solutions to this issue ;)

[Spell]

This is true, but hey, you never know...
We can say there are two friends with 50 mil each....
They trade, so one person has 100 mil gold.
The person with 100 mil gold : "Oh darn, I need to take a real long, satisfying, piss.
*30 sec has passed*
Player with 100 mil gold : "BYE"

Well i didnt mean that both people would have to press the "undo" button only one.
that way if he/she does decide to take a long ummm bathroom break you could just press the undo from your side.

Idk im just trying to figure this out lol. any ideas we come up with will have flaws unfortunately

[Alfai]

Hmm..

What a scammer wants: the gold (does not care bout the a.p.)
What an l.b. achiever wants: the a.p. (does not care about the gold)
What a heartless and selfish individual wants: both gold and a.p. (does not care bout' anything)

What we can remove:

the achievement that grants the a.p but at the same time provide any other means of gathering achievement points. In this way, not only it gives diversity in the l.b. competition but also minimizes the risk of scamming. Hey I'm pretty sure the l.b. achiever won't mind having this section of the l.b. removed as he/she is an "achiever"! He could work and prove himself to be someone who deserves the banner by excelling at other fields in the competition. It's a win-win as everyone gets to keep their purse safe and sound while having the chance to compete!

but then again there might be better solutions to this issue ;)

I dont mind at all.better to lose this ap to resist temptation of betraying someone i called friend.

[Daddyblu]

Hmm..

What a scammer wants: the gold (does not care bout the a.p.)
What an l.b. achiever wants: the a.p. (does not care about the gold)
What a heartless and selfish individual wants: both gold and a.p. (does not care bout' anything)

What we can remove:

the achievement that grants the a.p but at the same time provide any other means of gathering achievement points. In this way, not only it gives diversity in the l.b. competition but also minimizes the risk of scamming. Hey I'm pretty sure the l.b. achiever won't mind having this section of the l.b. removed as he/she is an "achiever"! He could work and prove himself to be someone who deserves the banner by excelling at other fields in the competition. It's a win-win as everyone gets to keep their purse safe and sound while having the chance to compete!

but then again there might be better solutions to this issue ;)

Well they can removed the Midas touch for future achievement but not the points. it would be unfair the players who earn it in legit way.

let say they can rename the Achievement and new ways of achieving it.

[Instanthumor]

Hmm..

What a scammer wants: the gold (does not care bout the a.p.)
What an l.b. achiever wants: the a.p. (does not care about the gold)
What a heartless and selfish individual wants: both gold and a.p. (does not care bout' anything)

What we can remove:

the achievement that grants the a.p but at the same time provide any other means of gathering achievement points. In this way, not only it gives diversity in the l.b. competition but also minimizes the risk of scamming. Hey I'm pretty sure the l.b. achiever won't mind having this section of the l.b. removed as he/she is an "achiever"! He could work and prove himself to be someone who deserves the banner by excelling at other fields in the competition. It's a win-win as everyone gets to keep their purse safe and sound while having the chance to compete!

but then again there might be better solutions to this issue ;)

I agree. This is one way of looking at this, however, if you think about it... The solution that minimizes the risk of scamming the most would, without a doubt, be to just eliminate the AP already. IMO, anyway.

[Spell]

I dont mind at all.better to lose this ap to resist temptation of betraying someone i called friend.

It seems to me removing the ap all together would be the easiest way to go.
If your really worried about the money you used to get on LB then i feel sorry for you :-/
And think about it if it were to be removed you would still keep your current lb rank becuase you wouldnt be the only one to lose 100ap points everyone would(that had it ofc)

[Daddyblu]

I dont mind at all.better to lose this ap to resist temptation of betraying someone i called friend.

Yes a lot of people wont mind because in reality there only a few of us who have a 100m and earned it in legit way.

I can say less than 20 people in this game have 100m Gold.

So yah with out borrowing im sure its less than 20 who can have the AP.

[Spell]

Its a bit ironic this ap being called "the midas touch"
Didnt midas want the touch to go away also lolz

[Instanthumor]

Its a bit ironic this ap being called "the midas touch"
Didnt midas want the touch to go away also lolz

Perfect logic here.

[Zeus]

Here's my version of this.

These AP's could stay if STS actually enforced some rules into their own game instead of letting scammers run wild.
I can honestly say this now as I'm no longer part of the game but what kind of online game doesn't punish scammers? even with all the player testimonies, and concrete evidence provided, and amount of supports sent in, to this day these scammers are still running wild (and frankly they're proud of their accomplishments)

The removal of Midas Touch is just weak on all of you. Instead of asking for the removal of these kind of APs (which always exists in one shape or form in any MMO), you guys should be persuading the devs to do something about the scammers.

Arn't you guys all forgetting why people play MMOs? It's b/c it's a never ending game with limitless possibilities and with the removal of all the wealth achievements you guys are really putting this game a step backwards. Most of this game revolves around money and the players who've legitimately earned their gold who feel accomplished and want to be awarded for their achievements.

In many of my personal reports to STS, the one thing I highlighted was the fact that b/c STS put too much emphasis on "it's not our fault if you lose your gold/items in the trade window" even if you've got a verbal contractual promise/agreement with the other party. B/c of this scamming has become a way of "easy money".
Why? because you can befriend someone and take their stuff afterwords and run scotch free.

So shoudld you guys let a few scammers ruin it for all of you?
From what I see the primary outlying problem of this thread are scammers and not this particular set of APs.

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*off topic & bit personal (for those curious)

What got me banned (& furthermore non-appealable) were as a result of scammers and my "harassment" towards this scammer (whom you all know).

*if STS is reading this, I suggest you guys implement equality and fair treatment before you permanently ban a player b/c from my point of view (and many can vouch for me), I got myself banned b/c of harassment yet they were the ones who scammed me and continued to harass, lie, cheat, spread rumours, and even distribute my personal information.

Blocking players in this game is most DEFINITELY NOT the best solution when:

- the report buttons broken
- /r command still replies to blocked players
which drove me crazy when kill _ _ _ _ spammed me on a daily basis preventing me from doing my daily merching
- some of these individuals have the power to persuade a group of players to believe their side of the story to wage a war against you in many shapes and forms
- in my case few of these players decides it'll be fun to spam my SKYPE username and personal location in public chat to many of those who dislikes me
- and finally (to my disappointment in this company) their ignorance in these such cases. They tell you to contact support but what do you do when support ignores you for months?

I took it into my own hands in the end (and I think I acted within the acceptable boundaries) but obviously I went overboard and it seemed to have worked against me.
Really does suck when scammers win at the end of the day doesn't it?

Really hope that support could give this another look...I'm more than positive that they made a decision without taking into account the reason why.

[Daddyblu]

An Idea *

Lets change the way how to achieved the Great all wise Midas Touch.

Lets you will achieved this by selling items on the auction.

Like your total over all auction sales would be worth 100m gold.

by this way no need to keep gold in your hands no hassle to other players. Its up to you how fast you farm and how many items you sold in auction. as long as your total sales reach 100m.

Reason
1.) no need to borrow gold
2.) i dont think you need to borrow items so you can sell in the auction tax will kill you.

anyone opinion are welcome to make this version better.

And for the players who already achieved they can keep the points and title.

[Joncheese]

I agree with this.

But those that had the title would have to achieve this too. That is the only fair way.

[JaytB]

Cool seeing you guys posting real suggestions :)

Something that could potentially not only solve this issue but prevent many more scams, would be a loan feature.

I know this has been suggested before although it was completely ignored by STS. I do understand it would take quite some preparation and coding to make it really air tight. But wouldn't the effort benefit the game a lot in the long run?

A loan feature wouldn't only be a solution to the 'Midas scam', but it would basically solve all the 'I loaned x to y and didn't get x back' scams. Looking at forum posts about people who got scammed, they seem about 90% of the time to be mentioning things that would've been prevented by a loan feature.

What do you guys think?

[Joncheese]

I'm open to anything that makes things safer Jay. That's all I want. Safe and fair.

I prefer the idea of having the AP through the cs tbh as this means people won't want to cheat it because of the charge. Also STS would be able to back log this as I'm sure they have all the data, meaning if u have earnt this already u would still retain it.

[Daddyblu]

I'm open to anything that makes things safer Jay. That's all I want. Safe and fair.

I prefer the idea of having the AP through the cs tbh as this means people won't want to cheat it because of the charge. Also STS would be able to back log this as I'm sure they have all the data, meaning if u have earnt this already u would still retain it.

The only safest way to achieve it is by CS, there is not way you can be scammed on CS.

They are a few people i know that sell 36 daggers for 4m and 36 staff for 1.1m

i wont name people but also this is human error.

[Emmacheese]

Now even I agree on the CS achievement .... I've made mistakes on it but that is down to me! No other party was involved. Very good idea here. +5

And on a much bigger scale I hope this has opened up the fact that sts need to do more about these scammers.

[Azepeiete]

I like the donkey and the carrot pic.

Oh and ban Midas touch good idea too

[JaytB]

An Idea *

Lets change the way how to achieved the Great all wise Midas Touch.

Lets you will achieved this by selling items on the auction.

Like your total over all auction sales would be worth 100m gold.

by this way no need to keep gold in your hands no hassle to other players. Its up to you how fast you farm and how many items you sold in auction. as long as your total sales reach 100m.

Reason
1.) no need to borrow gold
2.) i dont think you need to borrow items so you can sell in the auction tax will kill you.

anyone opinion are welcome to make this version better.

And for the players who already achieved they can keep the points and title.

As Jon and Emma already said, I think this is a great suggestion. It doesn't seem to be too hard to implement either.

It would also make those enormous listing fees kind of worth it more. On the other hand, people that sell stuff outside of the CS would loose out that way. So maybe, as Jon already suggested, the AP should be reset for everyone to make it fair to reach the 'upgraded' Midas Touch?

If something like this gets implemented and especially if the APs gets reset, I do think, like Jon also already suggested, it should somehow be with retrospect effect, depending on how much, if any, historical cs data per player is kept by STS.

Edited reply a bit :)

[Paulsebi]

Good idea Daddy. Finally, after all the contradictory replies (who earned / who spent / why ban / why not / ur fault / my fault), this CS idea looks the best option.

I hope STS is looking on this thread and will also discuss internally and will be best if they can come as soon as possible with a feedback.

[Rare]

In this way, we can still keep the "Midas touch AP" without having to fear of lending gold and being scammed.

Nono. You seem to miss the entire point of the achievement. Sts should NOT enable dummies to encourage more scamming. THAT is not what sts is here for. They should police scammers. And players should be cautious about not lending their things.

In the end, every player is responsible for their own belongings. As they should be.


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[Daddyblu]

As Jon and Emma already said, I think this is a great suggestion. It doesn't seem to be too hard to implement either.

It would also make those enormous listing fees kind of worth it more. On the other hand, people that sell stuff outside of the CS would loose out that way. So maybe, as Jon already suggested, the AP should be reset for everyone to make it fair to reach the 'upgraded' Midas Touch?

If something like this gets implemented and especially if the APs gets reset, I do think, like Jon also already suggested, it should somehow be with retrospect effect, depending on how much, if any, historical cs data per player is kept by STS.

Edited reply a bit :)

I came up with this because this will also encourage a lot of player to use auction more rather than trade window. 100m total sales would be hard.

I think STS would agree on this since this will benefit them players will pay more tax but much safer.

[gumball3000]

Why i don't find the cs idea good: it is going to open the door for another type of scam. Just as you ask someone to lend you the money for the achievement, you can ask him to buy your item that you listed for 99 mil, 999k and 999 gold (current maximum price for auct items) telling him that you will support the fees for listing the item: 5 mil for listing it yourself and that you are going to give the other person 5 mil to list it back.

10 mil for listing fees is a small price to pay for the other 90 mil you get in return.

[Emmacheese]

I will actually enjoy doing this AP too!

[Interpret]

Guys we have to think of the AL community as a whole consider if you lost all that gold to someone you called a friend. The thing is you can never truly stop scams up reduce their impact on the community

[JaytB]

I came up with this because this will also encourage a lot of player to use auction more rather than trade window. 100m total sales would be hard.

I think STS would agree on this since this will benefit them players will pay more tax but much safer.

All valid points.

See that you can come up with smart ideas as soon as you buried that battle axe? :p

But seriously, I think it's the best suggestion so far :)


Why i don't find the cs idea good: it is going to open the door for another type of scam. Just as you ask someone to lend you the money for the achievement, you can ask him to buy your item that you listed for 99 mil, 999k and 999 gold (current maximum price for auct items) telling him that you will support the fees for listing the item: 5 mil for listing it yourself and that you are going to give the other person 5 mil to list it back.

10 mil for listing fees is a small price to pay for the other 90 mil you get in return.

Your point is absolutely valid. That said, the CS solution would definitely make it harder to scam as compared to the current system. I don't think many people will believe someone is willing to legitimately pay 10m for an AP, but that could just be me.


I will actually enjoy doing this AP too!

Agreed! It would be a fun achievement to go for. I would probably start selling stuff on my mains instead of my unknown alts if this achievement came to be.

[Milan Lame Man]

See that you can come up with smart ideas as soon as you buried that battle axe?
If everyone and their mother didn't want to kick Sprtcuz one last time, the thread would be finished at page 10.

[Valsacar]

Removing the AP will not mitigate scamming, it has nothing to do with scamming. It is just one, of many, ways people use to part a fool with his money.

There were scams long before these AP existed, and there will be scams after the leave. The only real difference between then and now is there are more players (good ones, and bad ones). Also the fact that scammers either don't get caught/punished, or just that we don't know that they do, makes it more attractive.

If you want to lower the risk of scamming, don't GIVE things to people and pay attention to the number of zeros in the trade window. STS has to do the rest, let people know (IG and on forums) when a scammer is caught and punished. Name and shame them, mention how they have been permanently banned, show that there really IS a consequence for your actions.

[Skaunared]

In the end, with or without the AP, people will still try to scam in different ways ( the magic 0, befriending players, etc. ). You see guys, scammers are not really afraid of what happens after successfully doing it coz there's not enough punishment against them. As gundamsone pointed out, some well known scammers are still active to this day LOLing at those they scammed.

I know a guild who got scammed 87m by one of their officers for this AP. So what happened after? Scammer Renamed and go on a shopping spree. I have a guildie who lend her mythic set to a so called "friend", then left and renamed, joined another well known guild, and TT his heart out against other players in PVP. Isn't that called INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR? Sadly, despite of all the reports, nothing has been done.

I've never been scammed. I pity those who were scammed and never got their items back. I know STS can do something about this. Removing the Gold APs is not the ultimate solution against scammers, it is only a way to lessen the TEMPTATION. Devs tell us not to lend things and gold to other players, even to so called friends, it is our PART to do. So what does STS have to do on their part?

Ban scammers and return lost items/gold to their respectful owners.

In this way scammers will think otherwise, as they can get nothing good out of scamming.

[Joncheese]

Why i don't find the cs idea good: it is going to open the door for another type of scam. Just as you ask someone to lend you the money for the achievement, you can ask him to buy your item that you listed for 99 mil, 999k and 999 gold (current maximum price for auct items) telling him that you will support the fees for listing the item: 5 mil for listing it yourself and that you are going to give the other person 5 mil to list it back.

10 mil for listing fees is a small price to pay for the other 90 mil you get in return.

There arent any items over 18 million usually on the CS.... Most ive seen is the ridiculously priced Samael @ 40.000.000. That being said i can see what you're saying. Perhaps have the AP based on items you list, rather than what is bought. This way it will not encourage players to lend gold, but instead will encourage those to list items. No one is just gonna wanna waste gold.... Perhaps a solution? :)

Edit: Maybe not. Let me think a bit more. i walked away and thought about it and this wouldnt work.

[Skaunared]

Removing the AP will not mitigate scamming, it has nothing to do with scamming. It is just one, of many, ways people use to part a fool with his money.

There were scams long before these AP existed, and there will be scams after the leave. The only real difference between then and now is there are more players (good ones, and bad ones). Also the fact that scammers either don't get caught/punished, or just that we don't know that they do, makes it more attractive.

If you want to lower the risk of scamming, don't GIVE things to people and pay attention to the number of zeros in the trade window. STS has to do the rest, let people know (IG and on forums) when a scammer is caught and punished. Name and shame them, mention how they have been permanently banned, show that there really IS a consequence for your actions.

THIS!

[Joncheese]

In the end, with or without the AP, people will still try to scam in different ways ( the magic 0, befriending players, etc. ). You see guys, scammers are not really afraid of what happens after successfully doing it coz there's not enough punishment against them. As gundamsone pointed out, some well known scammers are still active to this day LOLing at those they scammed.

I know a guild who got scammed 87m by one of their officers for this AP. So what happened after? Scammer Renamed and go on a shopping spree. I have a guildie who lend her mythic set to a so called "friend", then left and renamed, joined another well known guild, and TT his heart out against other players in PVP. Isn't that called INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR? Sadly, despite of all the reports, nothing has been done.

I've never been scammed. I pity those who were scammed and never got their items back. I know STS can do something about this. Removing the Gold APs is not the ultimate solution against scammers, it is only a way to lessen the TEMPTATION. Devs tell us not to lend things and gold to other players, even to so called friends, it is our PART to do. So what does STS have to do on their part?

Ban scammers and return lost items/gold to their respectful owners.

In this way scammers will think otherwise, as they can get nothing good out of scamming.

Excelletn post.

[eeknoh]

I just wanted to say I'm so pleased to be part of such a caring community. You guys rock. Whatever the outcome, and I hope they get rid of the AP altogether myself, I'm just happy to see all the constructive ideas posted in this thread, that shows how much people care about others well being.

Yay.

[Daddyblu]

In the end, with or without the AP, people will still try to scam in different ways ( the magic 0, befriending players, etc. ). You see guys, scammers are not really afraid of what happens after successfully doing it coz there's not enough punishment against them. As gundamsone pointed out, some well known scammers are still active to this day LOLing at those they scammed.

I know a guild who got scammed 87m by one of their officers for this AP. So what happened after? Scammer Renamed and go on a shopping spree. I have a guildie who lend her mythic set to a so called "friend", then left and renamed, joined another well known guild, and TT his heart out against other players in PVP. Isn't that called INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR? Sadly, despite of all the reports, nothing has been done.

I've never been scammed. I pity those who were scammed and never got their items back. I know STS can do something about this. Removing the Gold APs is not the ultimate solution against scammers, it is only a way to lessen the TEMPTATION. Devs tell us not to lend things and gold to other players, even to so called friends, it is our PART to do. So what does STS have to do on their part?

Ban scammers and return lost items/gold to their respectful owners.

In this way scammers will think otherwise, as they can get nothing good out of scamming.

True they need to implement some rules regarding scamming. ( I know this guild - Officer of PF run away with the 87m)

Base on my experience a lot of online game use character roll back. if a owner report hack or account is scammed.
they will roll back every what happened last 24hrs or the date before you got hack / scammed.
By this way its not only scammer , also hacking will be minimize.
I sure it is very easy for easy to track Gold and lost or stolen items.

I just don't get it why its very hard for them to implement some rules knowing that this is an online game and as a human we intend to make friends.
So things cant be avoided that we let people lend out items.
STS i know you guys know about this, I just don't get it why you always wash hands an saying "that we have nothing to do if you lend out your gears / items".
I mean come on there are kids playing in the game witch can be deceived quickly.

Why not implement some rules before you lost all the trust of the consumer / players.

[Daddyblu]

Now lets go back to the Idea how to make this AP achieved in another method / way.


An Idea *

Lets change the way how to achieved the Great all wise Midas Touch.

Lets say you will achieved this by selling items on the auction.

Like your total over all auction sales would be worth 100m gold.

by this way no need to keep gold in your hands no hassle to other players. Its up to you how fast you farm and how many items you sold in auction. as long as your total sales reach 100m.

Reason
1.) no need to borrow gold
2.) i dont think you need to borrow items so you can sell in the auction tax will kill you.

anyone opinion are welcome to make this version better.

And for the players who already achieved they can keep the points and title.

Any more good ideas it will be morning EST admins will read soon.

[Justg]

We do have rules. We do perma-ban scammers. I personally banned about 50 last week.

The OP has a good point about the Gold APs. Both Sam and I have told you that we are listening.

In the meantime, be careful out there!

[ElfDreamer]

yeah i agree.. and ban the lower level when he have a midas touch archiv.

[Avshow]

cannot agree with this

think about alts...once one alt has the gold, all alts under same account all could have.


yeah i agree.. and ban the lower level when he have a midas touch archiv.

[Skaunared]

We know STS can do this. Hey, they created a great game for us to play, I know they are more than capable of helping those victims obtain their hard-earned gold back. I believe that STS can find the best solution against scamming. I still have faith in you guys, and I know some of us here still have too!

I don't blame that guild for lending one of their officers and trusting him, maybe all they wanted was for their members to have more APs so that they can improve their position on the Top Guilds List. Isn't that what a guild is for? Helping each other through thick or thin. They never knew that someone who they knew and trust for months had a ticking time bomb just waiting to explode.

[Daddyblu]

I got two ideas that well help

1.)


An Idea *

Lets change the way how to achieved the Great all wise Midas Touch.

Lets say you will achieved this by selling items on the auction.

Like your total over all auction sales would be worth 100m gold.

by this way no need to keep gold in your hands no hassle to other players. Its up to you how fast you farm and how many items you sold in auction. as long as your total sales reach 100m.

Reason
1.) no need to borrow gold
2.) i dont think you need to borrow items so you can sell in the auction tax will kill you.

anyone opinion are welcome to make this version better.

And for the players who already achieved they can keep the points and title.


Idea 2)

Guys,

Its normal, All online game there is a scammers and it happens.

Its sad to say but even if STS will block and banned all the accounts they will just make new ones why its very each to achieve level 36.

Suggestions 1

Make the level up more harder like lvl-1 1k exp/ lvl-2 2k / lvl-3=3k 25-2k or what ever ect ect.

we as players would like to deal with main accounts we rarely make deal with low level.

if its hard to make a high level character they wont risk or it will take time for them to scam again once it get banned.
one high level is banned it will take them 1 month or two month to make a new one.

See one of the problems is - it is very easy to make a 36 account it will only take 3-5days Max.

On the past online game i played Ragnarok PH way back 1997-2006 the scamming less or very very rare.
level cap was 99 and we only make deal with 99 players or well know twinks that already made a name.
it take 2 months to reach level cap.

Suggestion 2

Once get caught of scamming and hacking ect. ect. account should be permanent banned including device.

Note all players should do Screen shoot while trading.

If you notice one Zero is missing then Screen shot it and your chat conversation.

[wvhills]

i haven't ever had more than 6 million so it doesn't matter to me. haha.

[Daddyblu]

i haven't ever had more than 6 million so it doesn't matter to me. haha.

this comment make me laugh. its about scamming not 6million :P

[WoofCookie]

I got to 50 mil without help, the 100 mil however would have been long time in the process. I got lucky and my guild hooked me up. During the day we all got midas nobody got scammed to my knowledge but then again we all were trusted individuals. However scamming is in the nature of humans and for many their stories didn't end well. I think a 100mil AP is kind of "ego-stroking" and better APS could be added;

To not just complain I'll provide a few additional APS;

25k PVP Kills (Angel of Death)
50k PVP Kills (God of War)

100 DM Kills
1000k DM Kills
5k DM Kills
10k DM Kills
25k DM Kills
50k DM Kills

This is just PVP:

Money AP make it go to the max 25mil.

1 mil Filthy rich
10 mil Goldfinger
25 mil Midas Touch

MErch AP:

1 MErch
10 Auctioneer
50 (Wallstreet or (broker)


Myth

How about making a "Full Myth" AP 5/5
Call it - Rock Solid or Blessed or something like that

I can go on for days!

I agree however that the 100 mil is a complete ego stroke and should be nerfed.

[Rare]

STS i know you guys know about this, I just don't get it why you always wash hands an saying "that we have nothing to do if you lend out your gears / items".

Because it sets a TERRIBLE precedence. People are already complaining that STS doesn't get rid of the scammers now (and rightfully so). Imagine if they had to investigate specific items that were stolen and where they might have gone to. ESPECIALLY gold.

[Skaunared]

Because it sets a TERRIBLE precedence. People are already complaining that STS doesn't get rid of the scammers now (and rightfully so). Imagine if they had to investigate specific items that were stolen and where they might have gone to. ESPECIALLY gold.

So who would investigate? They are the only ones that have the power and capability to see each and every transaction on every account related to scamming cases. I know that with enough proof, they can return the lost items back to the victims and ban the scammer. I know it is hard, but it is possible. Things like these are also done on other MMOs, so I can't see the point why they can't do it here.

As the dev stated at the post above, they do perma-ban scammers. I also do hope that they can return those lost gold/items back. This serves as a warning to those who scammed or who will try to do so in the future.

[Rare]

We do have rules. We do perma-ban scammers. I personally banned about 50 last week.

The OP has a good point about the Gold APs. Both Sam and I have told you that we are listening.

In the meantime, be careful out there!

Just a suggestion Justg. But maybe posting a list of those that are banned (weekly? monthly?). Not only does it put those people on blast and let scammers know you mean business, but it also helps the community feel at ease knowing that things are happening.

As it stands now, we have no idea if a player was banned unless they come to the forums and break forum rules to talk about their ban. For all we know they could have just changed their name (which I know has happened on a number of occasions).

Like Valascar said above, send a message that it won't be tolerated.

[Rare]

So who would investigate? They are the only ones that have the power and capability to see each and every transaction on every account related to scamming cases. I know that with enough proof, they can return the lost items back to the victims and ban the scammer. I know it is hard, but it is possible. Things like these are also done on other MMOs, so I can't see the point why they can't do it here.

As the dev stated at the post above, they do perma-ban scammers. I also do hope that they can return those lost gold/items back. This serves as a warning to those who scammed or who will try to do so in the future.

Nobody will investigate. That's why they say they WILL NOT give your items back if you give them away.

It is hard. And it is possible. But its not realistic. And its not worth it from a resource standpoint. That's why STS says "No". Its YOUR responsibility to keep control of your things. Don't lend things you aren't willing to lose forever. To anyone. Its YOUR responsibility. And I don't think STS should waste their time returning items. The people that loaned them should learn from their mistakes and the "scammers" should be banned.

Out of curiousity... what other Mobile MMOs do it? IMO, its a perfectly valid disclaimer.

EDIT: I mean the general you. Not you personally.

[Skaunared]

Nobody will investigate. That's why they say they WILL NOT give your items back if you give them away.

It is hard. And it is possible. But its not realistic. And its not worth it from a resource standpoint. That's why STS says "No". Its YOUR responsibility to keep control of your things. Don't lend things you aren't willing to lose forever. To anyone. Its YOUR responsibility. And I don't think STS should waste their time returning items. The people that loaned them should learn from their mistakes and the "scammers" should be banned.

Out of curiousity... what other Mobile MMOs do it? IMO, its a perfectly valid disclaimer.

EDIT: I mean the general you. Not you personally.

Good thing it never did happened to you, try putting yourself on the shoes of the victims, do you not atleast hope to get your items back which you lost by just doing a kind deed of helping a "guildie or a so called friend". Yes, STS is right, it is our responsibility because it is our own items/gold. We have the sole discretion of lending it to other people. You see, not all people here are too careful, some people are too trustful, and some scammers are too SKILLFUL, they earn those "cautious people's" trust and then do it. So what you're trying to say is that those victims should just move on and get over with it? Blame themselves for being a fool? With no more chance of obtaining their hard earned gold/items back?

I did not say other MOBILE MMOs, I said MMOs in general. Sprtcuz already mentioned an example, and there are more MMOs around that also have the capability of ensuring that their players are well supported and heard off.

[famousfame]

you hit the nail on the head mate, nice post.

[Deadroth]

We do have rules. We do perma-ban scammers. I personally banned about 50 last week.

The OP has a good point about the Gold APs. Both Sam and I have told you that we are listening.

In the meantime, be careful out there!

Sir Justg.. Good to know, there is Someone there, who ban those creatures.. I proved scam for 5 m.. and scammer is still freeely in game :)

Thank You, for that, at least You are guarding punishments for those.

I appreciate Your suppourt to Us, and to this thread.
Deadroth

[Rare]

Good thing it never did happened to you, try putting yourself on the shoes of the victims, do you not atleast hope to get your items back which you lost by just doing a kind deed of helping a "guildie or a so called friend". Yes, STS is right, it is our responsibility because it is our own items/gold. We have the sole discretion of lending it to other people. You see, not all people here are too careful, some people are too trustful, and some scammers are too SKILLFUL, they earn those "cautious people's" trust and then do it. So what you're trying to say is that those victims should just move on and get over with it? Blame themselves for being a fool? With no more chance of obtaining their hard earned gold/items back?

I did not say other MOBILE MMOs, I said MMOs in general. Sprtcuz already mentioned an example, and there are more MMOs around that also have the capability of ensuring that their players are well supported and heard off.

I would never be in those shoes. If I lend an item, I do it with the understanding that I might not see it again. If I lend gold, I never ask for it back. If they give it back, I'm happy. If not, oh well.

And yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. They should move on and learn from their mistakes. The only "scam" that I think is legit is the trade window scam. Playing tricks on people's eyes in a tiny little trade window is a dirty game. THOSE people, if they can prove it, should get their things back.

Well, this is a mobile MMO. I'm sure you're aware that the staff for those other games (Blizzard, Sony, etc) are MUCH larger than STS. Naturally, they can handle more.

[Skaunared]

I would never be in those shoes. If I lend an item, I do it with the understanding that I might not see it again. If I lend gold, I never ask for it back. If they give it back, I'm happy. If not, oh well.

And yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. They should move on and learn from their mistakes. The only "scam" that I think is legit is the trade window scam. Playing tricks on people's eyes in a tiny little trade window is a dirty game.

Well, this is a mobile MMO. I'm sure you're aware that the staff for those other games (Blizzard, Sony, etc) are MUCH larger than STS. Naturally, they can handle more.

Sadly bro, not all people think like you. These people are too kind-hearted lend their items in order to help others and ofcourse, they do hope that they get it back. Lending is different from giving.

Also, this game is becoming bigger, why not make the support large enough to handle the population.

[Hinataa]

Ik this was said, but i need to repeat it. I won't look over what u said in last 6 pages i missed in one night.

Thing with this AP, no one wants ur hard worked or how ever raised gold to be a waste. Its just with this ap, people ask to loan that big amount of gold, if there wasn't this ap no one would even get an idea to ask for that big amount. U may be adults and smart people to not be scammed, but there r kids in this game, lets not forget, kids who worked hard as u or even harder because they can't pay plat. Then there r those adults or kids who will scam, now when the naive hard working kid meets those type of scammers, who will be friends with them, who will help them till point where they know they will get gold if they asked(for ap, which gives them excuse to even ask) and then they scam that kid, or it doesn't even have to be kid, i know adults who trust people they r friends with.
Unfortunately i know this from my own experience. Im person who trusts a lot to people i been hanging out a lot n talking with, n i got scammed.
I also know couple of players, 15 n below years, who been scammed by their "friend"


Here its not problem about ap, its what ap does. It gives excuse to those people to ask gold. N then many people r hurt. N trust me if ur really hard worked gold gets stolen by someone u thought is ur friend. It hurts n its devastating n makes u wanna quit game.

U can keep ur title, but make ap gone now, forever, because this is just start, i bet next season things will be even more awful when there r more people with that amount of gold. I think it should be removed forever so it doesn't give crazy ideas to some people.

[Energizeric]

Hi guys, I've been gone from the forum for a few days, and do not have time to read this long thread other than the first post. But I said this a while ago, the idea of this AP is good, but the implementation is bad. No achievement should be structured so that you can borrow items or gold from friends to get the achievement. That is just bad implementation, besides the fact that the achievement means nothing if you can just borrow from friends to get it.

What they should have done is make it so that you need to have the gold for some extended period of time, perhaps in your stash. Maybe eliminate these two achievements and instead make 2 new achievements where if you have 50m or 100m gold in your stash for 10 days straight then you are granted the achievement. By making it required for 10 days, nobody is going to loan all their gold out for 10 full days, so you will eliminate this sort of scamming.

Or maybe someone else has a good idea. But there is surely a way to implement this in such a way as to make it so you cannot borrow to get this achievement. I do think this sort of achievement should exist though. Some of us are merchants and if you are going to give achievements for pve and pvp, then you should also give achievements for merching as that is also a major part of this game for many of us.

Love brought up this idea a while ago, but maybe a better merching achievement would instead be to keep track of total auction fees paid, or total sales made in the auction. I wouldn't be opposed to that either. But I would like to see some sort of merching achievements.

But I do agree that the way this is currently implemented is poor and having the achievement proves nothing except that you have good friends.

[Hinataa]

Maybe make trade limited to like 40mil gold per day? Or smth like that dunno just idea...

[Deadroth]

Maybe make thing like u can only trade like 40mil gold per day? Or smth like that dunno just idea...

Erm... No.. Price of Scepter will fall down then. No, no and no 'firewalls' of trading, just think, about, how to 'improve' or kick out this 2 aps.

[Hinataa]

Erm... No.. Price of Scepter will fall down then. No, no and no 'firewalls' of trading, just think, about, how to 'improve' or kick out this 2 aps.

I seriously think we shouldn't even have items that high priced:3

[Sleepdeprived]

Hi guys, I've been gone from the forum for a few days, and do not have time to read this long thread other than the first post. But I said this a while ago, the idea of this AP is good, but the implementation is bad. No achievement should be structured so that you can borrow items or gold from friends to get the achievement. That is just bad implementation, besides the fact that the achievement means nothing if you can just borrow from friends to get it.

What they should have done is make it so that you need to have the gold for some extended period of time, perhaps in your stash. Maybe eliminate these two achievements and instead make 2 new achievements where if you have 50m or 100m gold in your stash for 10 days straight then you are granted the achievement. By making it required for 10 days, nobody is going to loan all their gold out for 10 full days, so you will eliminate this sort of scamming.

Or maybe someone else has a good idea. But there is surely a way to implement this in such a way as to make it so you cannot borrow to get this achievement. I do think this sort of achievement should exist though. Some of us are merchants and if you are going to give achievements for pve and pvp, then you should also give achievements for merching as that is also a major part of this game for many of us.

Love brought up this idea a while ago, but maybe a better merching achievement would instead be to keep track of total auction fees paid, or total sales made in the auction. I wouldn't be opposed to that either. But I would like to see some sort of merching achievements.

But I do agree that the way this is currently implemented is poor and having the achievement proves nothing except that you have good friends.

As i mentioned back on post #349 (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?122583-Ban-the-Midas-Touch&p=1325774#post1325774), whether you change something with the ap (the way you get it or how my aps it gives) or just get rid of it, its still going to have a downside to someone out there. Its already been agreed that if the ap is done away with it will hurt those that bought plat to get it. But it will also hurt if you change the way you get it. Those that had the 100m then may have used it by now, and would have to work again to get it. Including those that not only bought with plat, but also those that worked by farming and merching. Their work or money used before could be useless to getting the ap if changed. Whether it be something like i mentioned on #349 or something different, again, i think the best way to solve this now would be finding a way outside of changing the achievement.

[Emmacheese]

I like the donkey and the carrot pic.

Oh and ban Midas touch good idea too

Lol you know you want it ....and for the last time .......

45816

[Crowsfoot]

We're listening.

Actions speak louder than words.

[JaytB]

Hi guys, I've been gone from the forum for a few days, and do not have time to read this long thread other than the first post. But I said this a while ago, the idea of this AP is good, but the implementation is bad. No achievement should be structured so that you can borrow items or gold from friends to get the achievement. That is just bad implementation, besides the fact that the achievement means nothing if you can just borrow from friends to get it.

What they should have done is make it so that you need to have the gold for some extended period of time, perhaps in your stash. Maybe eliminate these two achievements and instead make 2 new achievements where if you have 50m or 100m gold in your stash for 10 days straight then you are granted the achievement. By making it required for 10 days, nobody is going to loan all their gold out for 10 full days, so you will eliminate this sort of scamming.

Or maybe someone else has a good idea. But there is surely a way to implement this in such a way as to make it so you cannot borrow to get this achievement. I do think this sort of achievement should exist though. Some of us are merchants and if you are going to give achievements for pve and pvp, then you should also give achievements for merching as that is also a major part of this game for many of us.

Love brought up this idea a while ago, but maybe a better merching achievement would instead be to keep track of total auction fees paid, or total sales made in the auction. I wouldn't be opposed to that either. But I would like to see some sort of merching achievements.

But I do agree that the way this is currently implemented is poor and having the achievement proves nothing except that you have good friends.

Haha, read the previous posts bud. Some of made some great suggestions already and I also suggested the stash for a period of time option.

I'm sure they'll figure something out. Many great suggestions made in the last pages of this thread :)

[DagnyTaggart]

I agree with the OP. Get rid of it.

[Hellgamer]

I agree. Impossible to get without moneypaying or scamming. So ppl who dont pay try scam

ING : HELLPANK
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[Zeus]

I agree. Impossible to get without moneypaying or scamming. So ppl who dont pay try scam

ING : HELLPANK
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That is far from the truth...

[Joncheese]

Ok so me and em have put our heads together and have really tried to figure out ways of keeping it whilst getting rid of the gold aspect.

The only solution we can come up with is the CS.

Have the AP to either be the amount of gold spent or the amount of gold received. I have taken into consideration someones point of a player another money to purchase they're items and vice versa I still don't see this as a problem, here is why:

It would cost 2.5 million approx (not in game so I can't check as maintenance is happening) to list an item for 50 million. So 100 million is gonna cost you 5 million to list stuff on CS. If you do this by incorrect means it would cost you this amount of money straight away. Where as if you achieved it properly you would not be losing money per say, you would just be paying for the pleasure of listing like the rest of us.

Do you think players would honestly swallow this amount of gold in this manner by cheating just to get the AP? I'd like your thoughts on this please.

It may be a good solution.... It certainly takes the lending of money out of the equation I believe.


Hi guys, I've been gone from the forum for a few days, and do not have time to read this long thread other than the first post. But I said this a while ago, the idea of this AP is good, but the implementation is bad. No achievement should be structured so that you can borrow items or gold from friends to get the achievement. That is just bad implementation, besides the fact that the achievement means nothing if you can just borrow from friends to get it.

What they should have done is make it so that you need to have the gold for some extended period of time, perhaps in your stash. Maybe eliminate these two achievements and instead make 2 new achievements where if you have 50m or 100m gold in your stash for 10 days straight then you are granted the achievement. By making it required for 10 days, nobody is going to loan all their gold out for 10 full days, so you will eliminate this sort of scamming.

Or maybe someone else has a good idea. But there is surely a way to implement this in such a way as to make it so you cannot borrow to get this achievement. I do think this sort of achievement should exist though. Some of us are merchants and if you are going to give achievements for pve and pvp, then you should also give achievements for merching as that is also a major part of this game for many of us.

Love brought up this idea a while ago, but maybe a better merching achievement would instead be to keep track of total auction fees paid, or total sales made in the auction. I wouldn't be opposed to that either. But I would like to see some sort of merching achievements.

But I do agree that the way this is currently implemented is poor and having the achievement proves nothing except that you have good friends.

Or these, sorry I didn't see this post ener. I agree merching is a major part of the game and those that do this should not be penalised. We know how much hard work goes into it. It sucks lol

The CS listing fees is the best idea I have sen so far. This should be implemented. Make it 5 million worth of listing fees. That equates to 100 million :)

Gold in the stash isn't a bad idea, although my only flaw with that is that what if something was released and you want to buy it? Small flaw I know but the only one I thought worth mentioning.

Thanks for your input Ener. :)

[Joncheese]

I agree. Impossible to get without moneypaying or scamming. So ppl who dont pay try scam

ING : HELLPANK
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Our first 30 million was made purely by farming. And we achieved this over a couple of months. It is possible.:)

[TheSkilledOne]

This ap is even in pocket legends and i think other games aswell, not just arcane legends and its an ap that makes you play longer, spend more money on plat and then producers make money in the end. I know you can be skammed but then why do they put the title of the midas touch, just take the title away, i guess..

[j3peaz]

I just wanna make a quick note. Everyone is using the words scammer and scamming loosely and/or improperly. If u lend someone something with the requirement of it being returned and it isn't, that is equivalent to stealing. Someone selling gold/plat promo codes, that is scamming. As to removing zeros in the trade window, that is something sts needs to look into more.

Also like it has been said a million times, the best way to avoid scams/being robbed is to not give people your items, and double check the trade confirm or even check 10 times. Everyone has the same ability to avoid these things and it ultimately falls down to the player.

That said, sts please add commas to the trade window. I haven't had much luck with the search but is there a reason commas can't be introduced to the trade window?

Now sorry for the unrelated and time wasting rant, just know I feel better for putting it out there. Continue on

[Interpret]

Lol you know you want it ....and for the last time .......

45816

That's so perfect

[bhutkeyur]

@Jon - yeah scammer will not stop scamming even those changes implimented. Its better to remove those ap or make it 10m limit for ap. Scammers dont have rules thats why they can scam big.

[Treincha]

You all complain about a unachievable AP , first the game is still young , limitless possibility to have gold achieved in higher numbers one day ( socketing update ) and the fact that this is a topic about "scamming" more than a missing achievement , maybe we should worry more about some real issues , like how 10k flag achievement single handedly crippled pvp , let's abolish that ap cause I'll never get it ...

[Rare]

You all complain about a unachievable AP , first the game is still young , limitless possibility to have gold achieved in higher numbers one day ( socketing update ) and the fact that this is a topic about "scamming" more than a missing achievement , maybe we should worry more about some real issues , like how 10k flag achievement single handedly crippled pvp , let's abolish that ap cause I'll never get it ...

Don't think you read anything in this thread

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[Skaunared]

I think she's lost O_o

[SayCreed]

You all complain about a unachievable AP , first the game is still young , limitless possibility to have gold achieved in higher numbers one day ( socketing update ) and the fact that this is a topic about "scamming" more than a missing achievement , maybe we should worry more about some real issues , like how 10k flag achievement single handedly crippled pvp , let's abolish that ap cause I'll never get it ...
wtf unachievable
I see people using the title.
Just read the whole thread again

[Deadroth]

You all complain about a unachievable AP , first the game is still young , limitless possibility to have gold achieved in higher numbers one day ( socketing update ) and the fact that this is a topic about "scamming" more than a missing achievement , maybe we should worry more about some real issues , like how 10k flag achievement single handedly crippled pvp , let's abolish that ap cause I'll never get it ...

Erm.. Please.. bite Your fingers before You dare to write something in this thread, which is made for purpose of 'cleaning' AL from many scams in future.
And.. Look at her/his acc rate.. one post in this thread, i bet this is troll.

And yes Skaunared, i think so :)

[Joncheese]

@Jon - yeah scammer will not stop scamming even those changes implimented. Its better to remove those ap or make it 10m limit for ap. Scammers dont have rules thats why they can scam big.

it won't stop scamming no, but it will mean that no one would need to loan such an obscene amount of money. It's limitating the reasons to lend the money in the first place. Scammers don't have rules no, but they need a reason or means to scam.

Pretty sure I've said this 100 times though.

[Valsacar]

Sadly bro, not all people think like you. These people are too kind-hearted lend their items in order to help others and ofcourse, they do hope that they get it back. Lending is different from giving.

Also, this game is becoming bigger, why not make the support large enough to handle the population.

Too bad this game does not have a lend feature, only a give feature.

[Bless]

490th!

[Z]

U should edit that mb, your 491th

[Daddyblu]

Go back to topic guys and and alternate solution

[Zylx]

Agreed

[Limsi]

Yes but the current players who have these achievements would have to follow the "new and implemented" way of getting the achievement. In that way, we won't hear any rants and complaints from those who would be seeking to get em' :)

[Daddyblu]

Go back to topic.. no need for troll post

[HAX]

No when someone jumps out of subject and hide the truth than I think need to reply plus no one mentioned you I think right so stay away from this :)

[Paulsebi]

Back on topic! Stop with discussions which are not relevant to this thread! No1 care about these discussions in this post.

Let's keep the post for its purpose!

Thanks!

[chitgoks]

wow! this is the longest thread i have read in this forum. i think this needs to be closed since there is a thread now for suggestions regarding the ap!

[Paulsebi]

I don't think that this thread needs to be closed... this started everything and already very good ideas here so keep it up and share your opinion.

Thanks!