Locked Crate Game Insanity? Make that money STS!!

[LordDravek]

So... it's no lie that I have a pretty good bit of gold and items. I also make good money with my career, that has paid for it. I can see how free players can be annoyed by those of us who pay for plat, but without us, i dont think you would be playing for free. But let me give a heads up on some issues:

First off, I spent close to $270 on plat last week. I usually spend $10-$300 every two weeks because i enjoy the game. Is it worth it? Some times. This last week, for example, i opened 600 locked and received one lunar amulet and one doom amulet. (barely worth 1mil) Those were the only two mythic items. I did receive about 300 plat (which feels like you're paying dollars for pennies). The rest were multiples of cheap pinks and gold. It sucked.

A trusted friend and player opened 70 around the same time. He received 2 arcane eggs, 1 arcane hook, 1 arcane staff, 2 mythic eggs, 2 sets of mythic armor, and about 800 plat.

A few months ago, I opened about 150. I got 2 sam eggs, and 3 mythic pieces with a bunch of worthless pinks.

Needless to say, Im not to thrilled with the system. Im convinced it's not based on luck at all, but rather what the devs have decided to make for certain times, classes, and levels. If they can change the drop rate for certain items, we'd never know.
Ill still play the game, but since I have every item, i doubt ill be investing as much. locked aren't what they used to be or give what you expect, so dont expect anything when you gamble. if you have two locked and 30 plat, dont waste your time. be smart and use it for elixirs.(although, the elixir depreciation value there has me wondering as well)

but thats my rant. happy ventures!

- Drave

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[parnasofication]

How did your friend get a mythic egg from crate?

Sent from under my bed.

[Ebezaanec]

Title says "rant"

And rants are not allowed on the forums...

[faychen]

Umm..my friend opened one crate on that day and he got glacian..just one crate.Before that day he ever opened like 50 crates. So i still believe it's all about dice..

[Vertuldo]

so... It's no lie that i have a pretty good bit of gold and items. I also make good money with my career, that has paid for it. I can see how free players can be annoyed by those of us who pay for plat, but without us, i dont think you would be playing for free. But let me give a heads up on some issues:

First off, i spent close to $270 on plat last week. I usually spend $10-$300 every two weeks because i enjoy the game. Is it worth it? Some times. This last week, for example, i opened 600 locked and received one lunar amulet and one doom amulet. (barely worth 1mil) those were the only two mythic items. I did receive about 300 plat (which feels like you're paying dollars for pennies). The rest were multiples of cheap pinks and gold. It sucked.

A trusted friend and player opened 70 around the same time. He received 2 arcane eggs, 1 arcane hook, 1 arcane staff, 2 mythic eggs, 2 sets of mythic armor, and about 800 plat.

A few months ago, i opened about 150. I got 2 sam eggs, and 3 mythic pieces with a bunch of worthless pinks.

Needless to say, im not to thrilled with the system. Im convinced it's not based on luck at all, but rather what the devs have decided to make for certain times, classes, and levels. If they can change the drop rate for certain items, they can screw us out of real money investments, and we'd never know.
Ill still play the game, but since i have every item, i doubt ill be investing as much. Locked aren't what they used to be or give what you expect, so dont expect anything when you gamble. If you have two locked and 30 plat, dont waste your time. Be smart and use it for elixirs.(although, the elixir depreciation value there has me wondering as well)

but thats my rant. Happy ventures!

- drave

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this!

[LordDravek]

Title says "rant"

And rants are not allowed on the forums...
that's ridiculous. everything about a forum is an informative opinionated rant. that's why its called "general chat".

My point being is about the locked luck rate. 600/2 vs 80/5+ is crazy. you're better off using plat for lix, pets, and gold, imho.

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[Morholt]

that's ridiculous. everything about a forum is an informative opinionated rant. that's why its called chral chat".

My point being is about the locked luck rate. 600/2 vs 80/5+ is crazy. you're better off using plat for lix, pets, and gold, imho.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using TapatalkOr, look at it collectively...680/7.
That's better than 1/100.
That's pretty damn amazing, considering I've shown math showing that the assumed "1/200" by the community for mythic is likely much higher than what it really is. It's closer to 1/1000 most likely.

[Ebezaanec]

that's ridiculous. everything about a forum is an informative opinionated rant. that's why its called "general chat".

My point being is about the locked luck rate. 600/2 vs 80/5+ is crazy. you're better off using plat for lix, pets, and gold, imho.

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You are entitled to your opinion.. However, rules are rules.

Good luck with spreading the new news that Locked Crates are unfair...

[Vertuldo]

I think the TS' point is that STS should maybe give a little more incentive for the plat spenders? coz honestly.. come on guys. let's accept the fact that it is the plat spenders that keeps this game running. I accept the fact that opening locked crates is a gamble, and STS.. well.. maybe, just maybe doesn't have any control with what you can get? hmmm.. maybe?

A little incentive for the plat spenders wouldn't hurt right? :)

[epicrrr]

Gamble; crash and burn or be an instant millionaire

[LordDravek]

Or, look at it collectively...680/7.
That's better than 1/100.
That's pretty damn amazing, considering I've shown math showing that the assumed "1/200" by the community for mythic is likely much higher than what it really is. It's closer to 1/1000 most likely.

goood point. Hmmm. you cant really judge that collectively, though. If you spend $500 to open locked and get 2 items worth under 1mil and someone else spends $10, acquiring 10 items worth over 100mil... It tells me, there is no true random luck involved, only theoretical timing based on the player.

ill agree my luck has gone downhill. ive seen others getting lock/legendary drops with no lix or lep, while those paying for the extra luck with lix and lep get simple rerolls for greens and blues. ive also heard players say that damage plays a role... which ive also seen. (high damage wars getting 1 to 5 drops in kraken mines, while others struggle to get 1-2)

all in all, its great game, but I question the mechanics.

Even casino's give comps to their high investing players. *hint hint*

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[Pandamoni]

Funny you mention casinos because when I read your thread earlier I instantly thought, "that is insane he is spending so much each month to gamble on something that is not tangible! This guy would be better off hitting the casinos!"

[gatzoo5505]

I've been told by the devs 100 % random. Dun get me wrong bro I feel your pain I've invested 25k plat myself. Unlike you I have zero arcanes to show for it.

Since I have everything I need I've basically given up on lockeds. I've taken up on pvp which requires zero plats. Merching is slow but at times rewarding

[Instanthumor]

I think the TS' point is that STS should maybe give a little more incentive for the plat spenders? coz honestly.. come on guys. let's accept the fact that it is the plat spenders that keeps this game running. I accept the fact that opening locked crates is a gamble, and STS.. well.. maybe, just maybe doesn't have any control with what you can get? hmmm.. maybe?

A little incentive for the plat spenders wouldn't hurt right? :)

LOL. What is this? More incentive than what you already have? Good one...

[Vertuldo]

LOL. What is this? More incentive than what you already have? Good one...

I didnt say more than what we could wish for. Plus, it doesnt mean that if you are a plat spender you already have everything. Yes I am a plat spender, but I dont even have an arcane weapon or an arcane egg. or all the pets in the stable. and buying plats is not an incentive, it's just an advantage of having things early if you are lucky. So i don't get your point with "more incentive than what we have." LOL

[Commanderkeen]

I get where you are coming from, for I have spent a little more than a thousand dollars opening crates and have only got one Doom amulet. I completely agree with only spending platinum on elixers, pets, and ect.

[Rare]

I think the TS' point is that STS should maybe give a little more incentive for the plat spenders? coz honestly.. come on guys. let's accept the fact that it is the plat spenders that keeps this game running. I accept the fact that opening locked crates is a gamble, and STS.. well.. maybe, just maybe doesn't have any control with what you can get? hmmm.. maybe?

A little incentive for the plat spenders wouldn't hurt right? :)

Actually, plat spenders pay the bills, everyone keeps the game running. If non spenders didnt play the game would die because its so empty.

I would say heavy spenders are a minority, and are not consistent forever. Like the op, they will eventually have diminishing returns and get bored.

[Vertuldo]

I heard that STS was giving away VIP crates for plat spenders if you have pucrhased quite an amount of plats? but not so sure. just heard it somewhere..

[drgrimmy]

I heard that STS was giving away VIP crates for plat spenders if you have pucrhased quite an amount of plats? but not so sure. just heard it somewhere..

They gave out one VIP crate to most players when crates first came out. It cost no plat to open. Basically it was a marketing tool to get people interested in crates.

[Maxcd]

I heard that STS was giving away VIP crates for plat spenders if you have pucrhased quite an amount of plats? but not so sure. just heard it somewhere..

This was done during the Kraken Isles expansion if you payed a lifetime amount of $20 on plat. The most recent VIP reward was a damage elixir during the Nordr epxansion (I think it was memorial day)

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[Spell]

Locked crates should drop tradable elixirs or tradable respecs

10272628262 eythls gets old =.=

[Valsacar]

goood point. Hmmm. you cant really judge that collectively, though. If you spend $500 to open locked and get 2 items worth under 1mil and someone else spends $10, acquiring 10 items worth over 100mil... It tells me, there is no true random luck involved, only theoretical timing based on the player.


No, that's called random luck.

[KingMartin]

I definitely think that the luck distribution does not behave according to standard probability curve, but what can we do about it?

I think we all have the same moments - 5 days your loot is miserable, no matter what you do. And then all of a sudden (same conditions) you get pink rerolls everywhere for one day. And then nothing for several days again.
One day you get 10 crates in KM3 within half an hour, and then for several days you are lucky with 3 or less.

And I believe the same goes with crates opening, only you never know if you hit your "lucky" slot. I will do one more attempt on the next arcane/myth weekend (I mean, trying to open 100+ crates).

Well I got used to that and if I feel I cant hit my lucky slot, I do something else in the game.

[Linkincena]

I foresee...
"Clickety clack"
xD

[KingMartin]

I foresee...
"Clickety clack"
xD

I agree, although I am trying to be constructive in my response :)

I am simply saying if you feel the game does not love you (not meaning exactly you, Link) at the moment, have fun doing something else, e.g. getting APs for your guildmates or farming Hauntlet coins :)

[Milan Lame Man]

So how would you crate openers look at the suggestion made some month ago: it would be possible to convert Locked into Unlocked using 15 plat and then it could be resold.
I think it would be awesome because
1. Non-spenders can try their luck
2. Spenders do not feel cheated because they get their reward 100% of the time: converting plat to gold at a near-fixed rate. Opening Unlocked would "just" risk some 30k gold, not 10k gold+15 plat.

Nobody loses, some win.
This idea was dismissed in the earlier thread, but I think it is great. Can someone add comments from a spender's perspective?

[wvhills]

i haven't opened enough crates to comment on whether or not the items you receive from them are truly random. However, i've played arena enough to know that the drops there aren't totally random. Either everyone is getting EGP and pinks or no one is. I noticed the same thing in PL. I can honestly say I think I ran more maps in Mt. Fang than anyone else and the drops there weren't random. Either the pinks were dropping or the weren't. Others noticed it too also. I had 4 or 5 farming friends who would pm me saying "come, pinks dropping" and sure enough i'd get one in a run or two.

Oh, and i'm not stupid. I know what random means and how random works, etc. I also know, statistically speaking, that these trends should normalize over a large enough set of runs. These don't seem too.

[Hinataa]

do not expect anything.... i had some plats n i got really lucky, i randomly open some when loot, got mythic mage helmx2, mythic mage armor, mythic war helm n lunar and about 300 plat, i do think its luck, random drops, whenever i opened more i got nth. when u open u need to not expect, thats when it hits usually :)

[Morholt]

goood point. Hmmm. you cant really judge that collectively, though. If you spend $500 to open locked and get 2 items worth under 1mil and someone else spends $10, acquiring 10 items worth over 100mil... It tells me, there is no true random luck involved, only theoretical timing based on the player.

all in all, its great game, but I question the mechanics.

Even casino's give comps to their high investing players. *hint hint*I understand your frustration with it. It does seem like there is some magic in the air. As if you're hot or you're cold.
But really...there isn't. Trust me, I've studied A LOT of statistics & probability. Math that you just don't want to even look at. Also, I'm quite familiar with gambling myself--my best friend and oldest brother are serious players (they could honestly make a living at poker tables if they wanted to; but you know, they prefer the guaranteed income of a job, rather than risk having a bad month).

Lots of gamblers think, "oh, I'm DUE FOR A WIN! JUST A FEW MORE TRIES!" Well, sorry, but your chance of winning after 1000 attempts are the same as your chance with the first try. If the chance is 1/1000, that means you have a thousand 1/1000 chances. That's all.

When my sister turned 21, the whole family went to the casino with her. My oldest brother and I showed her how to play video poker. We played our own games as we taught her the game. They were like 5/10 cents blinds. We all played with $5 on our machines. The two of us--very experienced players--lost our $5 in the end. Our sister, who was somewhat guessing? Walked away at $15.
Do you really think her machine was any more special than ours? There would be a constant line of people waiting for that 'lucky' machine, if it really was.

If you really feel like there are special good times to open, then don't open six hundred at a time. Open thirty. Nothing? Welp, this must be an unlucky time. Open another 30 when you feel is a lucky time.
Of course, it'd be coincidence when you hit and are feeling lucky. Because someone else out there is opening 5000 crates to get nothing while you get back to back arcane items.

When your friend got some goods while being lucky, there were probably hundreds of other people opening many at the same time. Just as when you opened lots and got nothing...many others were being opened. Not everyone gets lucky at the same time.

As for the casinos giving incentives, such as comps, well...sts does do that with crates. And they are instant! You see, at the casino, you either win or you don't get anything--and it is usually nothing MANY MANY times. At least with crates, you don't open them and get nothing. If you don't hit the mythic/arcane jackpot, you still get gold, platinum, or legendary gear (which is actually pretty good...but the problem is the over abundance of it).

Locked crates are a gamble. That's that. Gambling is not supposed to be an investment. It's for fun & entertainment. And you get to go, "oh, let's see how lucky I am today!" With a laugh and a smile. Because gambling isn't a measure of how lucky you are--it is a measure of how unlucky you are. Remember that.
Also, gambling isn't for everyone. It should only be done by those who can afford it. Just like you don't go to a super fancy restaurant when you can't afford the food. Don't go gambling if you are using your bill money. Only gamble what you can afford to throw away, because you are most likely going to be throwing it away.
There are people who suck at poker, but hit the casino once a month. They lose a few hundred thousand dollars each time. The whole time, they are having fun and they leave with a huge smile on their face. Why? Because they were gambling with money that they didn't need. They make lots of it and can pay their bills and afford the things they want without it.
If you're not able to spend X dollars on a glass of water, you shouldn't be using X dollars to gamble with, because you'll likely end up with less than a glass of water.

[Fauksuras]

So how would you crate openers look at the suggestion made some month ago: it would be possible to convert Locked into Unlocked using 15 plat and then it could be resold.
I think it would be awesome because
1. Non-spenders can try their luck
2. Spenders do not feel cheated because they get their reward 100% of the time: converting plat to gold at a near-fixed rate. Opening Unlocked would "just" risk some 30k gold, not 10k gold+15 plat.

Nobody loses, some win.
This idea was dismissed in the earlier thread, but I think it is great. Can someone add comments from a spender's perspective?

30k gold? Are you high? Those would go for over 100k and sts would be losing on the "plat to gold" conversions, never happening.

[Bonthan]

Wvhills is correct about the actual drops. If anyone wants me to prove it in pl then pm me and join me there in Nuri mini. If anyone here knows the "trick" to glyph steels and has used it greatly then they will know what I'm talking about. You will drop 3+ steels per hour for an entire weekend and then it cuts off totally. No steels at all, no craft drops, nada. Log in on another guy and they amazingly show up again. That would be the reason i have 8 guys at lvl 60 or higher all on a rotation. I learned a lot about drops there and do not trust in total randomness from anything giving us items. That said, the crates do seem to follow less of a system than anything else. The plat pulls seem fishy, none at all then 3 or 4 big hits in a row out of no where.

[moonway03]

Imo spending cash in your favorite food is better than plat xD

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[Urm]

Now that locked crates price are falling people will be able to buy more crates which mean there will be more locked crates opening which means MORE MONEY! :)

[Bonthan]

It's not the actual in game price of crates that determines if people open them or not. The actual opening of the crates themselves determines the amount that they sell for in auction, this little hiccup aside of course. After opening a stack of crates, collecting the gold that comes from them, auctioning off pinks and then revisiting auction house to buy more crates the normal price of them makes sense. It is dictated by the people that open them inadvertently or not.

[Sokpuppet]

I understand your frustration with it. It does seem like there is some magic in the air. As if you're hot or you're cold.
But really...there isn't. Trust me, I've studied A LOT of statistics & probability. Math that you just don't want to even look at. Also, I'm quite familiar with gambling myself--my best friend and oldest brother are serious players (they could honestly make a living at poker tables if they wanted to; but you know, they prefer the guaranteed income of a job, rather than risk having a bad month).

Lots of gamblers think, "oh, I'm DUE FOR A WIN! JUST A FEW MORE TRIES!" Well, sorry, but your chance of winning after 1000 attempts are the same as your chance with the first try. If the chance is 1/1000, that means you have a thousand 1/1000 chances. That's all.

When my sister turned 21, the whole family went to the casino with her. My oldest brother and I showed her how to play video poker. We played our own games as we taught her the game. They were like 5/10 cents blinds. We all played with $5 on our machines. The two of us--very experienced players--lost our $5 in the end. Our sister, who was somewhat guessing? Walked away at $15.
Do you really think her machine was any more special than ours? There would be a constant line of people waiting for that 'lucky' machine, if it really was.

If you really feel like there are special good times to open, then don't open six hundred at a time. Open thirty. Nothing? Welp, this must be an unlucky time. Open another 30 when you feel is a lucky time.
Of course, it'd be coincidence when you hit and are feeling lucky. Because someone else out there is opening 5000 crates to get nothing while you get back to back arcane items.

When your friend got some goods while being lucky, there were probably hundreds of other people opening many at the same time. Just as when you opened lots and got nothing...many others were being opened. Not everyone gets lucky at the same time.

As for the casinos giving incentives, such as comps, well...sts does do that with crates. And they are instant! You see, at the casino, you either win or you don't get anything--and it is usually nothing MANY MANY times. At least with crates, you don't open them and get nothing. If you don't hit the mythic/arcane jackpot, you still get gold, platinum, or legendary gear (which is actually pretty good...but the problem is the over abundance of it).

Locked crates are a gamble. That's that. Gambling is not supposed to be an investment. It's for fun & entertainment. And you get to go, "oh, let's see how lucky I am today!" With a laugh and a smile. Because gambling isn't a measure of how lucky you are--it is a measure of how unlucky you are. Remember that.
Also, gambling isn't for everyone. It should only be done by those who can afford it. Just like you don't go to a super fancy restaurant when you can't afford the food. Don't go gambling if you are using your bill money. Only gamble what you can afford to throw away, because you are most likely going to be throwing it away.
There are people who suck at poker, but hit the casino once a month. They lose a few hundred thousand dollars each time. The whole time, they are having fun and they leave with a huge smile on their face. Why? Because they were gambling with money that they didn't need. They make lots of it and can pay their bills and afford the things they want without it.
If you're not able to spend X dollars on a glass of water, you shouldn't be using X dollars to gamble with, because you'll likely end up with less than a glass of water.

There are no blinds in video poker :)

[Worship]

What is the point of this thread other than you bragging about spending thousands of dollars on a game? There are people who spend a quarter of that and are better than you, and I don't see them bragging about anything.

It's all luck with chests.. I've opened about 50 and only got about 50 plat, 200k gold and a dozen pinks. You don't see me complaining