Pay vs Non-Pay Players

[Striderevil]

Recently read Nuked post (Dissapointed) and was surprised by the feedback of many players considering themselves as normal yet unable to get high level gear without paying. I was peeved of more that the topic was closed on request considering that many still have a lot to say and contribute to the topic. So I'm forming the thread again and will leave it open for discussion.

First let me answer Nuked by saying that the very fact that these unapproachable eggs are in the Egg form and are trade-able allows for them to be obtained by free to play players that financially contribute nothing towards a free to play game. There are no ads in game to generate income so they offer plats to anyone willing to play and from companies on Nativex and Trialplay. That being said even those who pay cant be forking out a $90 everytime they need a 1.5 mill in gold. which again is not enough as average mythic gear runs min 2 mill +. So though there are people who can do it, there are others who obtain the gold and contribute both to real life and virtual economy.

Now Locked grand crates that are obtained need plat to open. But a free to play player can sell them on average for 10k and for an event such as this at an even higher rate. Sell a hundred of these and they can easily generate a mill in income. Merch. (Merchant, market, trade) items in the market and be smart about it and again more gold can be generated. With decent legendary gear you could accompany others to get rare loot to again merch. You can on average get 4 a day. Thats 120 a month which equals 1.2 mill.

I have played a lot of MMO games and when you need to pay for membership monthly or get crazy good items by forking out tons of cash with no way of obtaining them in game thats when there is a big problem and gap with pay vs non-pay players.

Heres the accepted facts,

- There are players willing to pay because real life does not allow them the luxury of time to grind. These players make all those unavailable pets available in market for non paying players.
- The community decides the price of an item. If people are willing to buy an arcane pet like Brothers whim for 46 mill then thats the going price. Sammael on the other hand considered the best pet goes for 20 mill approx.. If tomorrow people decide its worth 200k then thats what it will sell for.
- There are players who are lucky and make a lot of gold by selling stuff at the right time or open one grand crate and get an arcane item.
- There are players who cheat others just like real life.
- There are players who grind for days and get lucky with rare drops which they sell while other get nothing.
- There are special event which allow for more plats or gold to be purchased
- There are new pets every event which does not mean you have to own every single one because mostly you will be using only 1-4 at end game.

In the end what I'm saying is there is a way to obtain anything in game if you are willing to pay or grind to get it. Dr. Grimmy has broken down where legendary, Mythic and Arcane stuff drops are. See that post and go hunt if you can't buy it.

If people can't put in the time then don't whine.

[BodMaster]

First off, this will most likely be closed.

Secondly let me get this straight;

1. You truly believe new comers/freemium players should be grateful for what they can't possibly earn themselves, and that, because we don't throw Plat at the game, we should have to wait for it to become available for cheap in the CS? So we can make ends meat by repeatedly selling what we can to have enough for the gear Plat users can buy?

2. Dr. Grimmy's guide is for Elite Cap gear drops, this is the only real way of obtaining drops worth anything.

I believe you missed the whole point of what was said on that thread, being about new comers and lower than cap lvls trying to make ends meat and progress in the game at a steady level.

Plat players on the other hand, can fork out for each campaign, and increase to the equivalence they need to progress at any given time.

Ofc Cap players, and players that continue to Cap at each content update will be able to earn their way to progress each Cap. However the freemium low levels, have no means of obtaining gear that's remotely able to get them by. (Not including, mind numbingly runs through the tombs to hit Cap)

[Fauksuras]

Not gonna agree nor disagree with anything, but a few random thoughts I have.

1) Merching can help people generate gold. However, when everybody merches, who will buy stuff at the price you want for profit? As it is, when I try to sell something I git cheap, I get way too many people giving me lowballs offers or below what I expect because they too are trying to merch.

So when everybody does it will become an endless loop amongst players of trying to get as cheap as possible to sell as high as possible with many of the same people interested in the items (to resell)

2) I used to play a game where all the high level items (although I will admit it didn't have THAT many high level or class specific items ) were sold in an in game store for in game gold.

The items themselves were farmable from some very tough NPCs.
What this accomplished was no player could dictate the price of an item as he saw fit or hoard them because if the price was way too high or or unfair you could buy from NPC.

And yes the NPC prices were high but what it accomplished was nobody could pass that number as it wouldn't achieve anything.

Something like this wouldn't be exactly horrible for Arcane Items and perhaps newer mythics.

Furthemore a player who is no longer amongst us made a suggestion some time ago in this very forum, about a system he came up with to make trades safer, avoid scamming and basically avoid the system where a player or small group or players could dictate prices. Manh people agreed with it and liked the concept.

That thread was closed and deleted I believe. Not sure if they ideas were even considered.

3) Finally, I have said many times amongst friends I would rather pay a fair monthly fee and have everything in game than to spend a mysterious amount of money to hope to get good items.


Just some random thoughts and food for thought. Not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody.

[Rare]

The problem for newer players is that there is no way to farm decent gear for their level. Other than the insanely priced discontinued gear (L15/16 Ranger, Juggernaut, Demonologist - L20/21 Demonlord - L25/26 Sealord, etc), they are basically stuck buying crate gear. Which, for lower level is still pretty expensive (for new players) and isn't even that good.

[BodMaster]

The problem for newer players is that there is no way to farm decent gear for their level. Other than the insanely priced discontinued gear (L15/16 Ranger, Juggernaut, Demonologist - L20/21 Demonlord - L25/26 Sealord, etc), they are basically stuck buying crate gear. Which, for lower level is still pretty expensive (for new players) and isn't even that good.

Exactly my point, and I'm experiencing this first hand. Lucky for me I will get by since I'm not a new comer and have many items that will better me off at Cap. But for the true new freemium players all I see is a struggle.

Imagine at lvl 76/81 Cap, the levelling progression for non plat players will be truly non existent. Isn't it best to tackle this head on now, than to end up like that?

[Desperoto]

A lot thing are true what you're saying. It takes long to get full Myth without paying (Like me)
The first months i just was hoping for luck elixirs from klaas to farm some lockeds, so it toke long to get my pendant.
After that i farmed a lot crates, after that elite, after that arena. Now i have it, it took 3+ months!!
So the ways to get it is:
Patient or Spend

[Amythys]

I agree it can be difficult to gear up without spending plat. I am essentially a no plat player, but I have upgraded mytic armor and helm, a mythic gun and archon ring and I think I do well enough. (I did spend plat to get up to 75 inventory slots and 11 total auction slots on my main, and also the exclusive platinum pets required for the beastmaster title. But that is the extent of my platinum expenditures.) Thanks to tradeable mythic eggs, I also have a mythic pet now (Grimm). Thanks to the story token update, I have more inventory space (though never enough).

Capping your character is a pain, but I was certainly able to cap my main (sorc) and my alt (rogue) both in this season and last. I have never spent any platinum to aid in leveling. I remember being always short gold in the early days. The key is to NEVER feed your pets (just stable), and save up for that first lep pendant. Once you have a lep, you can farm and sell loot. I bought my mythics mostly from locked crate sale proceeds. It just takes time. If you don't spend plat and you don't spend at least an hour or two each day, you are not going to be a full mythic player. However, high quality legendary gear is available at pretty low prices. If you can't afford that, go run Ydra or Brackenridge maps solo. You will gain 50-300 gold per map, and you don't need to spend any potions.

Finding portals is certainly NOT impossible. I usually get them in SS, but I have had a number of portals in Ydra as well. I expect any player is capable of leveling their character high enough to easily solo Ydra maps. Once you find a portal, work with your guild to fill your party. I was actually surprised that the rate of joining portals did not drop more after the unlimited portal exploit was eliminated. Yes, the rate dropped, but not nearly as much as I expected. Help your guild mates out and you should find many portals to join, without spending plat. I certainly do! If your guild does not have active players who invite others to join portals, try to change that by doing it yourself. Otherwise, find a more active guild to join.

[Anarchist]

I am sorry but i have to disagree with bodmaster a low lvl or new freemium player first aim is to get to cap lvl and thats when u really start playing. You can go from lvl 1 to 36 with very very cheap legendaries and few deaths...what i understand is like you want everything already prepared the first time you log in xD.


This coming from someone who did from lvl 1 to 30 with greens,blues and a ribbit<3 so i know how hard it is :)

[BodMaster]

what i understand is like you want everything already prepared the first time you log in xD.


This coming from someone who did from lvl 1 to 30 with greens,blues and a ribbit<3 so i know how hard it is :)

No you have totally miss judged my character, and play style. I'm usually the first one that Caps non-lix straight after an update (as people can vow for me), an then again on my 2 other mains.

You're missing the point that, levelling progression needs to be incorporated even at a minimum for freemium just as it is for premium, even if that consists of a lil more hard work put in for the Time vs Money aspect to even apply here.

Sure end-game is the main focus, but some consideration and in-corporation into the levelling progression aswel.

[Kxrma]

Ill stick with my end-game gear
L35 Architech helm of will
L35 Architech armor of will
L35 Architech quills of brutality
Not a rich person.. But at least I try :)

[Crowsfoot]

Facts:

1) I have never bought plat, or successfully merched.

2) I have:

-A mythic glaive
-upgraded mythic helm
-upgraded mythic armor
-archon ring of potency, str
-amulet of doom

And, several mil of gold stashed away.

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I started heavilly farming elite using just a sword and shield weapon and champions chain of security last season and made it all the way here. Stop complaining and learn to run elite.

[Kxrma]

I can't do elite :o

[Samdegreat]

It's pretty easy now... Mythic is so common!
I have never bought platinum and I have full mythic (except weapon) with a lot of gold...

KEY- GOOD FRIENDS- there is a rogue who had 100k last week he joined insomnia guild with the help of generosity he now has 1.4 mill (I was amazed)

P.s I earned all my mythic by farming no merching although I got bored of farming this season (5) I consider myself a pensioner... Living off my pension I simply attempt to merch now :) (no luck yet)

[Sokpuppet]

Not gonna agree nor disagree with anything, but a few random thoughts I have.

1) Merching can help people generate gold. However, when everybody merches, who will buy stuff at the price you want for profit? As it is, when I try to sell something I git cheap, I get way too many people giving me lowballs offers or below what I expect because they too are trying to merch.

So when everybody does it will become an endless loop amongst players of trying to get as cheap as possible to sell as high as possible with many of the same people interested in the items (to resell)

2) I used to play a game where all the high level items (although I will admit it didn't have THAT many high level or class specific items ) were sold in an in game store for in game gold.

The items themselves were farmable from some very tough NPCs.
What this accomplished was no player could dictate the price of an item as he saw fit or hoard them because if the price was way too high or or unfair you could buy from NPC.

And yes the NPC prices were high but what it accomplished was nobody could pass that number as it wouldn't achieve anything.

Something like this wouldn't be exactly horrible for Arcane Items and perhaps newer mythics.

Furthemore a player who is no longer amongst us made a suggestion some time ago in this very forum, about a system he came up with to make trades safer, avoid scamming and basically avoid the system where a player or small group or players could dictate prices. Manh people agreed with it and liked the concept.

That thread was closed and deleted I believe. Not sure if they ideas were even considered.

3) Finally, I have said many times amongst friends I would rather pay a fair monthly fee and have everything in game than to spend a mysterious amount of money to hope to get good items.


Just some random thoughts and food for thought. Not agreeing or disagreeing with anybody.

Completely agree with the subscription based model. I love Arcane Legends, but I would rather play a subscription based game with a set fee, that way players can't buy there way to the top. Unfortunately, I think there's more money to be made with the in game purchase model, so pretty much everyone will be using that model.

[GoodSyntax]

I don't understand why everyone is so hellbent on achieving Mythic gear.

I've been running elites since....well, forever, and I've never had any mythic items. Even now, I run elite Shuyal in Hellish of Potency gear, with either Epic rings and amulets, or crate rings and amulets. Sometimes, if I find myself dying a few times, I switch out to an Architect set, but generally, I use Hellish for the added DMG. My primary weapons, up until this season when I was allowed to borrow a Mythic bow, I had been using either Quills of Brutality or Devourer Bows.

The point is that in order to make money farming, you have a few choices - farm crates or farm elite.

I find it funny that everyone thinks I'm nuts for running elite in such nooby gear, but as you hear often enough Skill > Gear.

I've tried farming crates a few times, but the monotony and complete lack of challenge always chases me back into elite maps.

Much of the same plays out in PvP as well. Yes, Mythics are a distinct advantage, and it is far more apparent in PvP than PvE, but I've managed to achieve Warmonger status without any Mythics. It is all a matter of practice and technique. Find a decent party (which itself is not an easy thing to do), and have fun.

I just don't get why everyone is so fixated on stats, KDR, Leaderboards, etc. Just play the game, have fun, and if you get some good loot and make some money for better gear, then more power to you.

If you simply aren't comfortable running elites, read one of the many guides in the forums here. A good pull strategy and a decent party can make elite runs a relatively easy thing to accomplish. Then, it is a matter of repetition, to sharpen your techniques and strategy. Just a few weeks ago Elite Golden Puzzleboxes were going for 100k (currently down to 70k because of several guild contests flooding the market). It doesn't take too many of those before you get 1 or 2 million. Elite Golden Warchests and Elite Golden Pirate Chest also hold substantial value, so with an Elite Southern Seas run taking an average of 4-7 minutes (depending on the skill of the party), it doesn't take that many runs to drop something of value.

If you would like, I can join in on some Elite Rooks Nest, Elite Oltgar or other runs and show you the strategies. I wouldn't call any of the elite maps exceptionally difficult if you have the right approach.

[BodMaster]

Since the OP of this thread, clearly missed the direction of the the previous thread, the whole discussion is off base.

We understand that at Cap you can gain access to farm the top tier gear or even gear to get by with. And even easier if you continue to level with the new caps, that goes unsaid. (Along with speed xp farming)

The original issue was the low levels aren't able to gain access to gear that can help them progress as easily as it is for Plat players to just purchase each gear set at each campaign level etc.

At the moment the whole progression of levelling has been lost (Without the cheap work around's). Sure this isn't for everyone but a lot are still troubled by this.

Like I've said previously this is no skin off my back, as I'll most likely join the Cap endgame and the underlying issues will be left where they're. (Out of sight, Out of mind)

Anyway I'm going to bow out of this discussion since the OP is misleading, and the devs have heard the issue, and it's now up to them to do something about it or just leave the whole game based on endgame, with no means of middle ground with the imbalances found in the levelling stages. (Which can/may effect a large number of the player base if not careful at a later stage)

[Snakespeare]

If this is a thread in response to another thread, it should get merged to the other thread. Even if not, this topic is very old and this post really should have been a reply to another thread.

On topic, well, I mostly agree, but since I can't see what you're replying to with the OP (since you did not link it even), I'm not sure I disagree with the thing you're replying to.

[Striderevil]

I run a mage but 2 months ago started a War char. This was around the time when twinks are all the rage and everyone was trying to sell low level elite gear for ridiculous prices. I started of with rare and then got my hands on Knight plate of will. Its only epic but has impressive stats. I then after doing quests bought a cheap legendary weapon. The market has tons of it for less than 5k. You don't need a Mighty Vorpal at twink level to advance. After grinding in mixed parties tombs etc I made it lvl 25. I then invested in a Juggernaut set. Its not expensive to say the least. At around 50k and a vorpal sword lvl 25 for another 50k it was easy to gain excellent armor and weapons. With the addition of Lockeds even a newbie can get 10k right of the bat as a random drop.

Im sorry Bod I dont see how you can say its harder. In fact the presence of locked and Plat players buying it in large quatities have helped lower and non plat players build enough gold easily enough to offset an unfairness they might feel.

Like I said get 4 lockeds a day for a month and you can generate a million easy. In 2 months you can buy a mythic armor. By this time you should be technically able to enter elites and farm.

I did not miss the direction of the previous thread in fact it was simply stated that this game was moving towards a pay as you progress model and I don't feel thats inherently true at all.

Want to make gold easy at lo levels, heres a few easy solutions

Sell Gems, Lockeds, Buy a weapon like vorpal or clever add 2 gems to it and sell it for a ridiculous rate, farm eggs. And now with this event simply join guild members as they enter Tarloks lair and if your lucky to get imbued sell Tarlocks armor for 200k plus, or a Breezaga for a ridiculous price. Accompany the many players in Brackenridge that farm for lockeds and not only level up but have a chance to get decent drops including lockeds as well at low level.

The way to make gold and get items is endless. Lower levels infact at 20- 31 can boss easily because as in wars case the Juggernaut armor for instance is sufficient to easily kill a scaled to level boss.

When I first started playing my mage char there was no locked or gems. Getting 1000 gold at low level was difficult enough. By level 25 I entered elite only to find that my gear was bad apart from the fact that my sorcerer was inherently squishy. It was far more difficult. A clever flamestrike of assault was being traded at 400k - 600k which at that time was really high. If I had lockeds or gems then I could have easily bought one. It took a while to merch and trade to get one. Compared to those days its easier now.

[Roberto077]

Plat (arcanes and mythics) vs. Non-plat (tree branch)

[Striderevil]

Non plat= elite puzzlebox = mythics, arcane

[xXz21]

wich MMORPG have u played in ur life? really u are crazy 120k per day do u think is good get 1.2mill on 10 days? ok just make 120k per day 3,6m on a month and play 2-3 years to get 1 arcane pet/weapon and after u buy it go to cry bcus the arcane weapond u have waiting 2 years to buy sucks.

really i don't know whats games u play maybe mad games bcus im a old scool player (90s MMORPG ) and i have played many but many many. and all the games i don't need wait 48 hours to put a stone on a item SURE U PLAY MMORPG? ARE U SURE??

and the gold drops here come on wtf is that? u can't no no u can't put a bad drop.. with this gold drop u can't buy pots and how u buy gear? LOL..

Chest here: pay to open, Bad drops after open..

Aion chest: Free drop, Need a key to open. This KEY selling on Auction sale or Drops. all the another chest are free for all to open and drop very very good items all the time BUT SURE ARE NOT EASY TO GET and are not cheap.

but have a best gold drop u don't need play 1 month to open 1 chest..

the items u drop u can sell on auction or u can sell on a npc and don't give u 4 gold to sell in a npc give u 1m for lv 59 items...




Non plat= elite puzzlebox = mythics, arcane

Elite Puzzlebox Ok go to buy 1000 Elite puzzlebox and try to get a mytic/arcane after come back and tell me if u got something.. if the Locked have more drop than this ''chest'' just imagine that..

[nukedwolf]

So let me get this straight everyones grand idea for low levels is to blast through an entire story, negate the entire game, then play it? After your characters maxed out? Bet you finished skyrim in 3hrs, but have 39 hrs of game play. This is fascinating to me tell me more

[Frohnatur]

I have three chars:

Rogue Lvl 21

Warrior Lvl 27

Mage Lvl 36

Mage is full myth.

Rogue is at top stats.

Warrior is at top stats.

Never spent a dime on plat.

So here it comes, easy and simple:

If you have time, you grind. If you do not have time, you pay. For most people this formula holds the same chance on success: if you have time, that (mostly) means you do not (can't? Like me) work for money: so you cant buy plat, but must grind. If you dont have the time to grind, that must mean you do work for money, so you can buy Plat.

There is a small percentage of people who don't fit in that roster, but StS did a good job in covering the majority of players and beeing a successful company with that. And that is what we all want, so the game can go on for another year full of entertainment for free.

Oh... mind you. I don't have television... that helps with the time factor too. xD

[nukedwolf]

^this guys cute. Since we are measuring extremities I have 15 toons on my main account all maxed out twinks ranging from lvls 6-21. This acct also has 1 elite runner lvl 35 which was originally was my main character. My elite runner has 0 mythic items aside from pets. The point thats being made is that unless you where here for each level cap and was forced to stop you dont truely experience the game until after you've completed the story. You can be a complete numbskull and farm at lvl 36 but at that point youve lost out on the experience of grinding through the ranks. Personally Im just tired of being called a hacker everytime I sit in wm on my lvl 6.People shouldnt look at there fellow player and feel cheated.

P.S on the feeling cheated, I bet all of you bad arse warriors that are maxed out in the finest of arcane gear will be sad to hear the man that is holding 1st rank in lb for warrior ctf kills is a level 10 gl beating that noob farming machine.

[Rainbowzfail]

Yes Thats what I have always loved about spacetime studios. Sure you can buy plat and get a head start but you can also get their without paying to just by playing the game. All armors are open to all players no matter the status of paying or not which is lovely. Now WIth trail pay there are plenty of free trails you can get plat from and a hefty amount of it. Ive gotten about 1k plat just from offers which is awesome!

[Frohnatur]

There is only one point sts shas to change, regarding free plat: they should force nativeX and trial pay to make their offers available to people outside north america. Europeans e.g. right now are not able to see most off the offers we have available here in the u.s.

[GoodSyntax]

You are missing the point of a twink.

Twinks are secondary toons, with gear often purchased or supported by end-game toons.

If your point is that a new player can enter the game, get to level 6 and expect to have top-end gear without plat or other means, then, yes, you are correct, it is not feasible. But, if you are an experienced player, where you have at least one end-game toon and then try to set up a twink account, then you are incorrect, it is entirely feasible to accomplish both without resorting to plat purchases.

Basically, the point is that the real money making opportunities (outside of merching) are accomplished by looting/farming at end-game. To get the best twink gear, you will need an end-game toon to provide the income and gear for your twink. You cannot simply start up the game for the first time and expect to buy or loot the best lv6, lv10, lv15/16 gear. To have this mechanism in place would cheat the end-gamers, who have grinded for many seasons, stashing loot, building up inventory, making smart purchases, and rolled along with each and every expansion.

Frankly, if the best gear dropped from normal maps on low level toons, why would anyone ever want to run elites, or farm the arena, go on Bael/Krunch hunts? To reintroduce top end gear at low levels would only cheat end-gamers. You can certainly drop viable gear at low levels, but the truly elite twink gear is, for the most part, discontinued, hence the high value and price at auction. This is a reward to those who farmed elites when the cap was 16, or engaged in the various seasonal events along the way.

[nukedwolf]

You are missing the point of a twink.

Twinks are secondary toons, with gear often purchased or supported by end-game

Frankly, if the best gear dropped from normal maps on low level toons, why would anyone ever want to run elites, or farm the arena, go on Bael/Krunch hunts? To reintroduce top end gear at low levels would only cheat end-gamers. You can certainly drop viable gear at low levels, but the truly elite twink gear is, for the most part, discontinued, hence the high value and price at auction. This is a reward to those who farmed elites when the cap was 16, or engaged in the various seasonal events along the way.

So when all the season 1-3 players leave and all the hoarded items they have stored go with them then what is your briliant plan? Every item in the last update aside from what comes out of locks is bias towards end game players. The items we seasoned player where able hoard and obtain are not readly available to new players. Please tell me about how this is going to be fair when the cap is 56 and all items available in th previous caps cost more than 500k. Tell me how this is not going to effect the longevity of the game.

[Hectororius]

So when all the season 1-3 players leave and all the hoarded items they have stored go with them then what is your briliant plan? Every item in the last update aside from what comes out of locks is bias towards end game players. The items we seasoned player where able hoard and obtain are not readly available to new players. Please tell me about how this is going to be fair when the cap is 56 and all items available in th previous caps cost more than 500k. Tell me how this is not going to effect the longevity of the game.

Because Low level pinks continue to drop in the lower maps and continue to be sold in AH as ppl dont need them anymore. you can search up any level in AH/CS and you'll find pink items ranging from the minimum price all the way up to Twink lvl gears that drop from crates and the older discontinued gears. Since from what I've read the concern is to obtain reasonable gear to complete the quests that doesnt suck, STS is constantly releasing and refreshing gears of all classes and levels and rarities so that new players can complete the story lines with reasonable gears that aren't overpriced.

Once you start talking about rare/discontinued items, you're entering a different ball game all together that is for the realm of the Hardcore and Collectors of the game. If you're at this level, you know already have an understanding of the game, have amassed (hopefully) a reasonable amount of gold and know exactly what you are looking for.

Finally, the Halloween and Winter Events have created a whole other market of accessible and affordable items for new players to take advantage of, along with seasoned players being able to recognize the potential for some of these items (Vampire Amulets).

[nukedwolf]

Hey hector do me a favor. Start a new character level it up to 10 and not using the wealth youve accumulated already try to seek out and finish just 1 tarloks lair. Once you've died 15x from ice tempered goblin w a group of 4 and still havent got him even half life come back and tell me what ya think. The new items that are introduced are from locked crates only, tell me how this will not be an issue later. At the moment it seems meanless becuase all the gear is still readily available. There should be some form of stability and common ground on items released in game, not a here now gone the next style of rarities. And for the record ah is really only full of gears that are hoarded by twinks to sell of an overpriced number later after there no longer available as seen with (vampire amulet). Sure you can make it through the levels by tank potions the whole way there but it seems remedial to have to do it this way.

[Striderevil]

Nuked let me get what you are saying. You wan't an mmorpg in which all expansion and special event bosses are accessible to all players that can scale from lvl 10 on up to lvl 36. Then your saying that if they rush through they will not be immersed in the story line. So let me start by saying that a brand new lvl 10 player already has enough things to keep him occupied by learning how to play explore existing maps and fighting lower level bosses until he can comfortable manage all levels of playing from trading to crafting. These special events are to keep the long existing players interested and are more for the benefit of the regulars than a newbie. When you are lvl 10 stick to lvl 10 maps. Level up, grind where whatever you can get your hands on from opening chests and other stuff that drop from bosses. Find the next map hard or dying too often? Go back to the previous map you found challenging and grind till you level up or get better drops to challenge the next map.

That being said have you tried hoarding rares, epics and legendary levels especially at the twink level? You'll run out of storage long before you make a dent in the supply. Also how many newbies know how to use the market at level 10? Also the level progression is very rapid at low level so unless they are a twink account, reaching level 20 can be done in 2 days to a week depending on how much time they put into it while following the storyline.


wich MMORPG have u played in ur life? really u are crazy 120k per day do u think is good get 1.2mill on 10 days? ok just make 120k per day 3,6m on a month and play 2-3 years to get 1 arcane pet/weapon and after u buy it go to cry bcus the arcane weapond u have waiting 2 years to buy sucks.

Which mmo have you played where some form of payment is not present? Lets take the famous world of warcraft where not only can items be traded bought auctioned but now there are private sites that manage these transaction for real money. In fact knowing this blizzard already started their own version of auction sites where real money is exchanged for ingame items and they profit a small percentage of it as in Diablo 3. There isn't a famous mmorpg where rare and valuable items have not been procurred for cash outside of the game mechanics at the owners risk sometimes.

If everyone opened a Locked crate or a elite Gold puzzlebox and out popped a mythic or arcane weapon whats the point of it being a highly rare sought after item?
That being said Mythics are worth 2mill to 5 mill depending on item. Prices always start dropping so if you can generate 3.2 mill a month then what are you complaining about? Not even Aion will give you super rare stuff just because you opened a chest. For a person who claims to have played a lot of mmorpg since the 90's your relatively clueless. Also you dont need to buy every single pet that comes out. Save up for a special one and when the time is right buy it.

On my mage I can achieve around 900 armor and 370 - 380 dmg on only legendary upgraded items which have been procured from normal bosses opening a few chests and elites. A mythic geared mage can achieve on average 432 dmg and 1032 armor. The difference translates to a little longer dance with tough bosses but in no way gives a mythic an amazing mind blowing out of this world advantage. They can still be one shot crited by bosses just like the rest of us. So please don't sit there and tell me to open a puzzlebox and see if I get one cause if my luck is good I could get one right of the bat.

Your talking about Aion heres the problem as well http://www.playerauctions.com/aion-items/. Anyone with enough cash can buy what ever they want including a new account for $50. Your precious Aion has inherently created a demand for rare items for which people are willing to spend serious cash to obtain what they want since its either too expensive or rare to obtain in game.

Every game has an inherently different way of crafting. There are some games you have to keep grinding to get the materials to make the upgrade. Then there is a chance of failure. But some will say to increase chance of success pay a certain amount. So I'd rather wait a day and get +3 or 6 than keep grinding for a super rare stone with a 60% or higher chance of crafting failure. The last games I've played before stopping were Age of Wushu, World of warcraft, Diablo all of which were too time consuming and earlier AEIndia. All of them have some form of payment thats gives an advantage but nothing that is overpowering.

At least here you have a chance to obtain all items where some games have payment exclusive items only.

[utpal]

I have been playing this game since it came out. upto kraken gold was hard to get bt from nodr and shuyal it is easy to get money due to daily quest that rewards 500gold each.
and one can make 5k-10k daily doing dailiy quest nowadays.
it has improved alot.
also the bard revamped is the coolest update till now.

only one thing keep in mind that one uses plat only to get desired stuff quick and those non plat users should have patience. :)

[nukedwolf]

Lol this is why I had the original post closed to many closed minded already capped players that would rather seek out and assure there dominance instead of working together to over all improve the community. I'm with Bod on this one, I'm bowing out before this goes to a worse place and completely turns the right people away.Sam and his people have heard the testimonials its up to them to test and tweak where needed/if needed.

P.S 22 ydra bosses ea before my lvl 10 group gave up on portals. That makes 88 bosses and 0 portals. Theyll probably raise the spawn rate w 14 days left of the event.. sigh

[MetalForce]

Well, I believe that no matter how you feel about the pay vs free to play issue, we can agree that STS is one of the fairest of companies. Yes, this event made a lot of people angry. Yes, the mythic/arcane availability could be better. But overall this company has done better than any other I've found. I spend $10 a month on plat, the same or cheaper than a subscription for mmo, and I spend it mostly on luck elixers which gives me enough gold to get high grade pinks.

Even if you are non-plat completely, I'm sure you get enough satisfaction out of the game for it being free. These forums are great for discussing what we feel to be issues, and Nuked and Bod have brought up valid points, so let's enjoy the game and hope these issues are addressed.

And you should never flame someone for posting a complaint on forums, that's what they're here for.

[becky_xil]

I use $90 and guess what.. im almost full mythic.. grind elite or farm locked.. btw im playing this game only for few weeks.. 3 weeks? BUT.. im a hardcore farmer ( after failed on locked and get my lesson )

Send using my cellphone.. yes my cellphone

[Energizeric]

Exactly my point, and I'm experiencing this first hand. Lucky for me I will get by since I'm not a new comer and have many items that will better me off at Cap. But for the true new freemium players all I see is a struggle.

Imagine at lvl 76/81 Cap, the levelling progression for non plat players will be truly non existent. Isn't it best to tackle this head on now, than to end up like that?

Actually, you have not considered something very important.... The reason the very early elite gear is quite rare is because the game was very new in seasons 1 & 2 and so not that much of it was ever farmed. But for later campaigns the elite gear is pretty cheap now. For example, Sealord armor and helm, which were the elite gear for season 3, can be bought for 25-50k per piece. Considering they went for 500k-1m back during season 3, I'd say that's pretty cheap.

I would expect future campaigns to end up similar. And once we have newer mythic and arcane items in future campaigns, these older ones that we use now will become much cheaper as well.