[Guide] Tarlok Gems additional stats

[Haligali]

Info:

Tarlok's Rage Gem: Main Stat STR, Secondary DEX; Costs: 6 Blood, 4 Fire Essence
Tarlok's Wind Gem: Main Stat DEX, Secondary INT; Costs: 6 Fire, 4 Glacial Essence
Tarlok's Wisdom Gem: Main Stat INT, Secondary STR; Costs: 6 Glacial, 4 Blood Essence

Crafting availability: [2013-12-09]-[2014-01-13]



Where should I put in?

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Colours:

Deep Green: Highly recommended, you earn 2 extra secondary stat, without loosing on main stat.
Green: Recommended, you earn extra secondary, without loosing on main stat.
Light Green: Recommended*, you will earn 2 extra stat point overall, but you cant reach your max main stat.
Yellow: Average*, you will earn 1 extra stat point overall, but you cant reach your max main stat.
Red: NOT RECOMMENDED! It just split the stats into two piece, you can do this anytime with a respec for 5 plat. Save your time and gems, less complication.


*Not recommended on tarlok's rage gem




Avshow's additional chart:


Recommended gems

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[Haligali]

I double checked everything but correct me, if something wrong.

Move to guide section pls.

[Avshow]

very good work, in my opinion, this should be the colors
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Info:

Tarlok's Rage Gem: Main Stat STR, Secondary DEX; Costs: 6 Blood, 4 Fire Essence
Tarlok's Wind Gem: Main Stat DEX, Secondary INT; Costs: 6 Fire, 4 Glacial Essence
Tarlok's Wisdom Gem: Main Stat INT, Secondary STR; Costs: 6 Glacial, 4 Blood Essence

Crafting availability: [2013-12-09]-[2014-01-13]



Where should I put in?

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Colours:

Deep Green: Highly recommended, you earn 2 extra secondary stat, without loosing on main stat.
Light Green: Recommended, you earn extra secondary, without loosing on main stat.
Yellow: Average, you will earn extra stat points overall, but you cant reach your max main stat.
Red: NOT RECOMMENDED! It just split the stats into two piece, you can do this anytime with a respec for 5 plat. Save your time and gems, less complication.

[Haligali]

Oki, but i focused only on tarlok gems. Its obvious that put gem on every item, the question is where the tarlok gems should be considered.

Or i can remove the colors from the original gems, if its less confusing.

[Azepeiete]

Good guide. I go place gem on l15 item now

[Ravager]

Excellent chart.

[basketholic209]

This needs to be moved to guide section. Neat!

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[Vystirch]

Great Chart, these new gems are basically for a twink market. Wish they were actually good for high lvl rogues because getting that extra int along with the same amount of Dex would rock. But no I guess they couldn't do that for us.

-Vys

[Haligali]

Great Chart, these new gems are basically for a twink market. Wish they were actually good for high lvl rogues because getting that extra int along with the same amount of Dex would rock. But no I guess they couldn't do that for us.

-Vys

Yes, but the mythic ring and amulets are in the yellow zone, so put tarlok gems into them is a viable option if you dont need max damage.

Some rogues put a few point on int in pvp, now they can go full dex and use all wind gems in ruby and fang.

[Haligali]

Double post

[Zyntia]

Very helpful. Thank you Haligali.

[Cero]

oh looked at the guide again, im wodering why you put "grand original gem" on red?
shouldnt be highly recommended for a full set of grand original gem gives wide stat advantage?

[Haligali]

oh looked at the guide again, im wodering why you put "grand original gem" on red?
shouldnt be highly recommended for a full set of grand original gem gives wide stat advantage?

Ok, i removed the confusing colours on original gems. :)

[Haligali]

Added Av's extra chart into op.

[Energizeric]

I'm not basing this on anything but math and logic, but based on the way the numbers are grouped, I would think level 33 would give a +6 in the "Grand Original Gem" column instead of +5. Are you sure of the +5 number for this?

The increments go in groups of 8 levels except for 25-33 which is 9 levels. I have yet to see a level 33 item with a super gem, but I would think it would go in the +6 group.

[Energizeric]

Yes, but the mythic ring and amulets are in the yellow zone, so put tarlok gems into them is a viable option if you dont need max damage.

Some rogues put a few point on int in pvp, now they can go full dex and use all wind gems in ruby and fang.

Same for mages. We need to keep our STR high for both health and shield affect. So giving up 1 INT for 2 STR is a good trade if you ask me.

[Haligali]

I'm not basing this on anything but math and logic, but based on the way the numbers are grouped, I would think level 33 would give a +6 in the "Grand Original Gem" column instead of +5. Are you sure of the +5 number for this?

The increments go in groups of 8 levels except for 25-33 which is 9 levels. I have yet to see a level 33 item with a super gem, but I would think it would go in the +6 group.

You can check also, buy a 105 gold lvl 33 epic something from cs, and do upgrade until last step:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/20/udysave6.jpg

[Haligali]

Same for mages. We need to keep our STR high for both health and shield affect. So giving up 1 INT for 2 STR is a good trade if you ask me.

I keep my original gems on my end game gear, because i sometimes do pve records, and it will be a loss on dmg, if i resocket my gems with tarlok.

So the yellow zone has pros and cons, everyone has to decide what is good for him. :)

[VanRah]

A very useful guide. Well done!

[Alfai]

Nice

[jb57542]

I just did the math for another thread but going by you're guid lvl 41 gems should look like:


Original Gems should give +4 for original and +6 for grand.
While Tarlok should give +3 & +2 for regular and +5 & +3 for grand.

[Haligali]

I just did the math for another thread but going by you're guid lvl 41 gems should look like:


Original Gems should give +4 for original and +6 for grand.
While Tarlok should give +3 & +2 for regular and +5 & +3 for grand.

We will see, hopefully more green or at least yellow in the future. :)

[inkredible]

tarlok gems on warriors i dont think is worth it.. for the most part

[Haligali]

tarlok gems on warriors i dont think is worth it.. for the most part

I think new gems will come in the future with main stat str and secondary int, im also waiting for a main stat int and secondary dex one.

[vfreakhun]

Hello all,

I expect not 10 essence but 15 essence based gems as well. Maybe not in the near future where the yellow and red parts will be greener, but the green parts does not change.
I is just an expectation...

[Alcrexx]

Really helpful guide!

Just wondering if the level cap is going to 41, what attributes will be added..

[notfaded1]

Great Chart, these new gems are basically for a twink market. Wish they were actually good for high lvl rogues because getting that extra int along with the same amount of Dex would rock. But no I guess they couldn't do that for us.

-Vys

hear! hear! Even one extra point would be better :^}

[notfaded1]

I just did the math for another thread but going by you're guid lvl 41 gems should look like:


Original Gems should give +4 for original and +6 for grand.
While Tarlok should give +3 & +2 for regular and +5 & +3 for grand.

Now that would be good... we can hope.

[Cookieblitzz]

Can i ask something do you have technique on geting super gems iam kinda having i hard time getting one

[Raymond05]

Can i ask something do you have technique on geting super gems iam kinda having i hard time getting one

Well it's really just "pure luck". Just resocket gems everyday and eventually you'll get those grand gems. Goodluck. :-)

[Cookieblitzz]

Well it's really just "pure luck". Just resocket gems everyday and eventually you'll get those grand gems. Goodluck. :-) thx i got super gem a while ago




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[Haligali]

Can i ask something do you have technique on geting super gems iam kinda having i hard time getting one

Its a daily routine, do not bother if nothing for weeks, keep doing it.

[Approximation]

Nice Info

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[Haligali]

One interesting thing, on lvl1-8 and 13-16, normal tarlok gems give same overall stats as grand normal gems.

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[Haligali]

Just as i thought, normal gems still give +3 on normal and +6 on grand up to lvl41..

But! And here comes the interesting part:
Tarlok gems gives from lvl38: +3,+2 on normal and +5,+3 on grand. What can i say, this is OP and much more than i expected.

[MoloToha]

Just as i thought, normal gems still give +3 on normal and +6 on grand up to lvl41..

But! And here comes the interesting part:
Tarlok gems gives from lvl38: +3,+2 on normal and +5,+3 on grand. What can i say, this is OP and much more than i expected.

Oh my, their price hurts... Anyway, mages can choose between 1 int or 3 str, rogues - between 1 dex and 3 int, only warriors still get more bonus from grand blood, cuz 1 str > 3 dex.

[Haligali]

Oh my, their price hurts... Anyway, mages can choose between 1 int or 3 str, rogues - between 1 dex and 3 int, only warriors still get more bonus from grand blood, cuz 1 str > 3 dex.

I saw lot twink warrior item with wisdom gems in cs, isnt that better on lvl38 too?

[MoloToha]

I saw lot twink warrior item with wisdom gems in cs, isnt that better on lvl38 too?

Warrior-oriented tarlok gem (rage) has str/dex bonus. I'm not sure about twink items, but int/str gem at lvl 38+ has 3/5 int vs 1/3 str on normal/grand against blood gem. Endgame warriors suffer from mana lack a bit seldom, so wisdom gem doesn't seem better for me even though he gives nice mana bonus.

[Haligali]

Warrior-oriented tarlok gem (rage) has str/dex bonus. I'm not sure about twink items, but int/str gem at lvl 38+ has 3/5 int vs 1/3 str on normal/grand against blood gem. Endgame warriors suffer from mana lack a bit seldom, so wisdom gem doesn't seem better for me even though he gives nice mana bonus.

Yea, just did some math, rage gem is the less useful among them. But wind and wisdom is very good now, i hope lvl41 useful items come, which worth crafting.

[Theillist1]

Your chart IS WRONG 9-12 Tarlok Grand Gems actually give 3,1 not 2,1...

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[Haligali]

Your chart IS WRONG 9-12 Tarlok Grand Gems actually give 3,1 not 2,1...

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There is nothing wrong with the chart, i double checked everything, you should also before comment, thanks.

Pic from cs:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/16/hehypa2y.jpg

lvl12 item:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/16/ymyva5y9.jpg

[Haligali]

Chart updated to lvl41.

I've been thinking what color should i give the lvl38+ grand tarloks, and I concluded the 2 extra stat point overall is recommended over a bit loss on damage for sorcerers.
On a lvl41 item, its -3 dmg, +81 hp, a very good deal if you ask me.

For rogues im not sure, but if i remember 1 int gives 5 hp and a bit mana, so it is a good exchange.

Warriors told me that rage gem isnt really useful since 1 dexterity gives only 3 hp point so not worth the exchange.

Feel free to share your opinions, i can change the colours if you manage to convince me.

[deathwraithx]

Delete sorry

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[Haligali]

I just did the math for another thread but going by you're guid lvl 41 gems should look like:


Original Gems should give +4 for original and +6 for grand.
While Tarlok should give +3 & +2 for regular and +5 & +3 for grand.

Heh, you predicted the exact tarlok gem stats, just the original stats was wrong.

It is very hard to know the future stats, even developers are in trouble. You can read this in the official upgrade annoucement:
"This scales up from level 10 items that are a base +1 with a Super Gem possible bonus of +2." (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?124229-Crafting-amp-Upgrade-System-Now-Live-in-Arcane-Legends) In reality: lvl10 item give +2 on normal and +3 on grand.
This statement was also wrong, (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?141963-When-will-the-Dragon-Enclave-Expansion-Launch&p=1518072&viewfull=1#post1518072) lvl41 original gem stat not raised.

I think it is because the formula has changed formerly, it would be very helpful if we can get the current one.

[jb57542]

Heh, you predicted the exact tarlok gem stats, just the original stats was wrong.

It is very hard to know the future stats, even developers are in trouble. You can read this in the official upgrade annoucement:
"This scales up from level 10 items that are a base +1 with a Super Gem possible bonus of +2." (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?124229-Crafting-amp-Upgrade-System-Now-Live-in-Arcane-Legends) In reality: lvl10 item give +2 on normal and +3 on grand.
This statement was also wrong, (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?141963-When-will-the-Dragon-Enclave-Expansion-Launch&p=1518072&viewfull=1#post1518072) lvl41 original gem stat not raised.

I think it is because the formula has changed formerly, it would be very helpful if we can get the current one.

Ha I am glad most of my math was correct, I redid it for original gems and they will not go to +4 until lvl 42 but at least I called the rest :),

[Haligali]

Ha I am glad most of my math was correct, I redid it for original gems and they will not go to +4 until lvl 45 but at least I called the rest :),

You know better than the developers haha, what formula you used for your math?

[jb57542]

I edited my above post meant to say lvl 42. I used your guide to calculate the difference between each stat changed, then added that difference back onto the original number to predict the next stat change.

Example regular original gems had a stat change at lvl 9 and lvl 25. So I did 25-8=17. Then I added that back into most recent stat change 25+17=42.

The tarlok gems are a bit harder as you have to do the math for the primary and secondary stats separately almost like they were two different gems.

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[Haligali]

I edited my above post meant to say lvl 42. I used your guide to calculate the difference between each stat changed, then added that difference back onto the original number to predict the next stat change.

Example regular original gems had a stat change at lvl 9 and lvl 25. So I did 25-8=17. Then I added that back into most recent stat change 25+17=42.

The tarlok gems are a bit harder as you have to do the math for the primary and secondary stats separately almost like they were two different gems.

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Oh nice.

[inkredible]

tarlok rage gem for warriors

+5 str, +3 dex vs +6str
- youre losing -3 hp overall and -0.66 dmg
- and ur gaining 0.45% dodge , 0.18% critical


1 str= 10 hp
1 str = 0.64 dmg

1 dex= 3 hp
1 dex = 0.14 dmg


0.64 x 3 = 1.96 dmg (str)
( 3 indicating the str ur losing from 5,3 rage gems)

0.14 x 9 = 1.26 dmg (dex)
( 9 indicating the +9 dex gaining from 5,3 rage gems )

[Haligali]

tarlok rage gem for warriors

+5 str, +3 dex vs +6str
- youre losing -3 hp overall and -0.66 dmg
- and ur gaining 0.45% dodge , 0.18% critical


1 str= 10 hp
1 str = 0.64 dmg

1 dex= 3 hp
1 dex = 0.14 dmg


0.64 x 3 = 1.96 dmg (str)
( 3 indicating the str ur losing from 5,3 rage gems)

0.14 x 9 = 1.26 dmg (dex)
( 9 indicating the +9 dex gaining from 5,3 rage gems )

You compared here one lvl41 item with 3x grand gems (eg arcane ring) rage and blood. Yes its hardly noticeable, the hp and damage is even slightly lower with tarloks rage.

[Haligali]

I edited the chart and noted where rage gems are not recommended. These are the Lvl17-37 yellow and lvl38-41 light green zones.

So the only meaningful utilizaton of tarlok's rage gems are lvl1-8 and lv13-16, where there is no loss on the main stat str.
But why? The details lie in the structure of the classes:


Warriors:

1 str 10 hp
1 dex 3 hp
1 int 3 hp


Rogues:

1 str 10 hp
1 dex 3 hp
1 int 5 hp


Mages:

1 str 10 hp
1 dex 5 hp
1 int 3 hp

(Main stats are red)

Giving up one primary stat to any secondary result an increased hp.. except warriors. They only need str, this can be seen on eg: Entombed Hammer of Warfare or lvl26 Warrior Mythic helm, there is no secondary stat on these top warrior items but they got good armor benefits.