Skill change in PvP room

[Endkey]

We all know that some people have been continuously changing their skills during PvP fights. Some guys ask me for 1v1s and are easily able to beat me. I thought of them as pros before and i thought they beat me fair and square. Then i noticed that many of the ones i fought used more than 4 skills during the fight.


For example i fought a tank. He already had better gear than me (which i dont mind). We started the game after a count. That tank used vengeful blood and then axed, chest splitter and skyward smashed me. (notice that all four skills used). The smash stunned me and by the time my rogue was able to move he had changed his skill and added heal. Even if the smash hadnt stunned me, his hp was 6.5k then and it gave him enough time to change to an other skill.


For the mages, they use fireball, curse, shield and lightening in the start. The shield invulnerability for 2 sec give them the chance to change the skill (curse) with the heal. An in this case the all four skills are used in the start and one is replaced afterwards.


The rogue cant do anything because their hp does not support this skill change.


The only way which I can think of is to stop this changing of skills is to finish the map skills option in the PvP room. This will not let the users change skills in the PvP room and therefor they will not be able to use 5 or even 6 skills at one time. In addition the hotkey option for changing skills should be turned off in the PvP rooms. Nobody cares if u change skill in PvE coz we have a common enemy.

For those who are saying that people spam pets with hotkeys during 1v1s, you now know the guy who does it. Never 1v1 with him. Thats the only thing we can do.


I hope u guys support this and i hope the mods take this into action so that we can have a fair PvP place to play in :)

[Sky_is_epicgearz]

Noooooooo not another thread! :3 prepare for another huge debate

Btw hi end :)

[Bless]

You cant respec in pvp maps, why should you be allowed to change skills in a pvp map? Do it in town.

Got bad gear? Get good gear. Got no money? Farm.

"No not another one of this thread" well what can we do, mages and rogues were also crying when the windmill bug happened. Its not fair to one class so should we just sit here scramming for our lives when the other classes have it easy with more skills?

If you dont realise that its wrong, i cant make you change your opinion but hope a dev sees this.

[Zeus]

Please... warriors shouldn't be getting stun after stun, then immortality as well with defense. If you're going an all tank build, you sacrifice some defense. By having both, it's truly ridiculous. The only weakness they have is during the switch time, but even that can be taken out with a well timed HoR due to the 3 secs of invulnerability HoR provides.

[Sariita]

You cant respec in pvp maps, why should you be allowed to change skills in a pvp map? Do it in town.

Got bad gear? Get good gear. Got no money? Farm.
This.

[Bless]

You guys try to turn it around on rogues, saying we cry and should deal with it and devs INTENDED 5 skills to be used at one time. Are you hearing yorself? Thats an absurd statememt, the devs would never have intended this.

Those classes aren't entirely single target, and most people use 4+ skills in 1v1s, those people argue that their class is underpowered at 1v1s. The rogue specialises in single target damage and debuffs - ofcourse they would be stronger in their speciality. Pvp wasn't built around 1v1s you know, it's CTF or TDM, both team games. Its like saying you enrolled for an art school but after going to it, you complain that you don't do enough sports. Damn. Stick to your roles and you won't need to use 4+ skills.

Lastly, since when are warriors meant to have 6k hp, virtually endless mana AND deadly damage? They seem to have that and much more now...

Imagine a rogue kicking your backside with 5 skills then you'd be crying louder than us..

[Sheener]

How is this possible? A bug? I thought u cant respec in pvp. Even if u could it would take atleast 15 seconds. How is this possible. I have also noticed some especially rogues switch pets to valkin or konga insanely fast to get their mana up. Must be some trick to it.

[Endkey]

The trick is hotkeys...and it is not only rogues who use it...btw ill be makin some enhancements :)

[Sheener]

And bless.... I dont think that 5 moves would even really benefit a rogue. The passives would be way better for them. With 5 moves mana would drain too fast. Plus rogues moves have such a short cooldown. U can almost spam shadow pierce and aimed shot without needing other moves.

[Sheener]

So basically the people who play on phones r screwed... lol like me

[Xbadboyx]

classes aren't balanced in 1 vs 1 bcs the game didn't prepare the pvp for 1 vs 1 like other games did (o&c) and thats why rogues obviously have more advantages in 1 vs 1 which force other classes to use more than 4 skills , anyway in 5 vs 5 u dont need to use more than 4 skills bcs the game is balanced and fair , also ive tried all classes and im sure that rogues are the best in 1 vs 1.

top pvp rogues can definitely defeat other top pvp classes unless they use more than 4 skills , u might kill a top rogue in pvp with 4 skills but u wont win .

anyway switching skills by a hotkeys or other programs isnt fair and its cheating by switching skills with your hands it totally okay ,

[Energizeric]

Sorry to have to use this image twice in the same week, but....

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And while I agree that there is a problem here, I disagree with the proposed solution. I often switch in heal AFTER the battle is over just to heal myself for the next battle. Unless the next opponent wants to wait 5 minutes for my health to restore on its own.

In fact, I can beat a rogue, and if I don't heal after the battle they will respawn and come back and kill me as I will still be at low health.

The solution is to make a delay in using a new skill so that it's not worth changing during a battle.

But in any case, enough is enough with these discussions. STS has obviously read all the arguments by now, so lets give them a chance to make a change.

[Sheener]

Please make it 5 skills bc. That will make rogues less op

[Sheener]

But please explain how it is possible to change skills in pvp. Can it be done on a phone?

[Zeus]

Please make it 5 skills bc. That will make rogues less op

You're a warrior... if you can't figure out how to kill rogues or mages, well, there's something wrong with your build.

[falmear]

Some reason why we need another thread on this? I think this is the 5th thread on this subject. As for 5 skills, I use 5 skills but not in mid combat because its too risky and IMO wastes the 2 seconds of invulnerability which could be better used. But if I am facing a lot of rogues then I switch to using 3 attack skills. Or if I am doing 1v1 then I switch to 3 attack skills because heal is useless against rogues. And with 2 attack skills its basically impossible to kill a rogue because their packs are so OP. I said this in another thread, if you want to limit mages to 4 skills, then you need to improve our damage, fix our healing and make it so our shield cool down is shorter or make it so it doesn't break so fast. Livegiver doesn't even recover 50% of my health with 600+ damage. Rogue packs recover 90% of your health even if you had 1 damage. For a mage to kill a rogue you don't need to switch skills mid combat, just use 3 attack skills and shield from the start. From there its just a matter of stunning them and keeping them away from their packs.

Not every class is the same so they can't take advantage of every feature in the game. So I don't see anything wrong with switching skills and no where does any dev say you are limited to 4 skills in PvP.

Lastly, its okay for rogues to abuse valkin for unlimited mana by dismiss/summon. Yet its not okay for people to use 5 skills? Seems like when rogues have to work for kills they come to the forums to complain.

[Leoyo]

Just learn more than 4 skills....
Switch it in the map

[Sheener]

I have trouble beating super geared rouges not going to lie they usually whoop me

[Sheener]

I am always way behind lol. I didnt know ab the windmill glitch and all of the other bugs. Still idk how to change skills

[Zeus]

Some reason why we need another thread on this? I think this is the 5th thread on this subject. As for 5 skills, I use 5 skills but not in mid combat because its too risky and IMO wastes the 2 seconds of invulnerability which could be better used. But if I am facing a lot of rogues then I switch to using 3 attack skills. Or if I am doing 1v1 then I switch to 3 attack skills because heal is useless against rogues. And with 2 attack skills its basically impossible to kill a rogue because their packs are so OP. I said this in another thread, if you want to limit mages to 4 skills, then you need to improve our damage, fix our healing and make it so our shield cool down is shorter or make it so it doesn't break so fast. Livegiver doesn't even recover 50% of my health with 600+ damage. Rogue packs recover 90% of your health even if you had 1 damage. For a mage to kill a rogue you don't need to switch skills mid combat, just use 3 attack skills and shield from the start. From there its just a matter of stunning them and keeping them away from their packs.

Not every class is the same so they can't take advantage of every feature in the game. So I don't see anything wrong with switching skills and no where does any dev say you are limited to 4 skills in PvP.

Lastly, its okay for rogues to abuse valkin for unlimited mana by dismiss/summon. Yet its not okay for people to use 5 skills? Seems like when rogues have to work for kills they come to the forums to complain.

Falmear, the only thing I want fixed is skills being swapped in mid combat. When warriors do this, they literally have no weaknesses. So yes, Energizeric's solution would work best.

Lastly, the dismiss/summon bug is also being patched. So, to patch skill switching mid combat seems fair as well, no?


I have trouble beating super geared rouges not going to lie they usually whoop me

Then that's not being OP, that means that they have better gear than you. People really need to learn the difference between the two.

[Instanthumor]

The trick is hotkeys...and it is not only rogues who use it...btw ill be makin some enhancements :)

IMO, the use of 5 skills are ok. Hotkeys are a unfair, but there isn't anything wrong with 5 skills.

[Zeus]

IMO, the use of 5 skills are ok. Hotkeys are a unfair, but there isn't anything wrong with 5 skills.

The use of 5 skills in combat removes the inherent weaknesses of the warrior class and if used effectively, the mage class as well. Rogues weakness lies not in their skills, but in their mana.

If you are allowed to swap out your skills midcombat for another, can I swap out my empty mana bar for a replenished mana bar? :D

[Ravager]

IMO, the use of 5 skills are ok. Hotkeys are a unfair, but there isn't anything wrong with 5 skills.

The use of 5 skills in combat removes the inherent weaknesses of the warrior class and if used effectively, the mage class as well. Rogues weakness lies not in their skills, but in their mana.

If you are allowed to swap out your skills midcombat for another, can I swap out my empty mana bar for a replenished mana bar? :D

As they switch, switch in a mana pet and use the ability and switch.


If you got it, use it.

[falmear]

Falmear, the only thing I want fixed is skills being swapped in mid combat. When warriors do this, they literally have no weaknesses. So yes, Energizeric's solution would work best.

Lastly, the dismiss/summon bug is also being patched. So, to patch skill switching mid combat seems fair as well, no?


I am okay with not allowing skills to be swapped mid combat but I don't believe the devs can implement anything that doesn't disadvantage me in the way I use it between clashes. The way they think you are in combat is when your toon is in 'attack mode'. As you know this is how you can get 1 death and not even be in combat. And adding a delay that would stop this would need to be too long. I am resistant to any change because basically the dev makes one change and even if its worse then don't go back and tweak it in any reasonable amount of time. Gale was changed and they added dash backwards but only after a considerable amount of out cry and a very long time was it changed. Now look at Whim how long before they fix this? So I don't trust they will get it right on the first try. If they can implement something that legitimately stops you from switching skills mid-combat then I'm okay with that. Anything else I am against because mages to be successful in PvP need to run multiple skills. We have 1 skill for flagging, certain skills work better against one class, etc. Unlike warriors and rogues you can't rely on just one build. This is why we end up having to swap skills. While I was flagging some one attacks me and chases after me. Wind is basically the worst PvP skill because of its low damage and when charged for stuns you go flying all over the place crashing into walls. So it needs to be swapped out to another skill. I can go on and on with various examples of why mages need to run multiple skills. Basically we have 1 skill for 1 situation but doesn't work in other situations. Unlike rogues or warriors which have 4 skills that work in all situations.

[Zeus]

As they switch, switch in a mana pet and use the ability and switch.


If you got it, use it.

This option will not exist anymore, as the summon/dismiss is being patched.

[Zeus]

I am okay with not allowing skills to be swapped mid combat but I don't believe the devs can implement anything that doesn't disadvantage me in the way I use it between clashes. The way they think you are in combat is when your toon is in 'attack mode'. As you know this is how you can get 1 death and not even be in combat. And adding a delay that would stop this would need to be too long. I am resistant to any change because basically the dev makes one change and even if its worse then don't go back and tweak it in any reasonable amount of time. Gale was changed and they added dash backwards but only after a considerable amount of out cry and a very long time was it changed. Now look at Whim how long before they fix this? So I don't trust they will get it right on the first try. If they can implement something that legitimately stops you from switching skills mid-combat then I'm okay with that. Anything else I am against because mages to be successful in PvP need to run multiple skills. We have 1 skill for flagging, certain skills work better against one class, etc. Unlike warriors and rogues you can't rely on just one build. This is why we end up having to swap skills. While I was flagging some one attacks me and chases after me. Wind is basically the worst PvP skill because of its low damage and when charged for stuns you go flying all over the place crashing into walls. So it needs to be swapped out to another skill. I can go on and on with various examples of why mages need to run multiple skills. Basically we have 1 skill for 1 situation but doesn't work in other situations. Unlike rogues or warriors which have 4 skills that work in all situations.

I definitely see your side of the issue and it has merit.

So, if the developers are going to allow this to stay, the summon/dismiss for mana should not be fixed either. Otherwise, I am competing against 5+ skills whilst only having enough mana to combat a 4 skilled warrior.

So, in what world is that fair?

[falmear]

I definitely see your side of the issue and it has merit.

So, if the developers are going to allow this to stay, the summon/dismiss for mana should not be fixed either. Otherwise, I am competing against 5+ skills whilst only having enough mana to combat a 4 skilled warrior.

So, in what world is that fair?

If they don't fix the summon/dismiss pet issue I'm fine with that. In fact it benefits me more because I don't have to worry so much about giving rogues mana on my team. And sometimes allows me to go without lifegiver for quicker kills.

[Zeus]

If they don't fix the summon/dismiss pet issue I'm fine with that. In fact it benefits me more because I don't have to worry so much about giving rogues mana on my team. And sometimes allows me to go without lifegiver for quicker kills.

The thing is, it is being fixed so due to that, the fix throws off the balance. I honestly don't see why it is, seeing that spamming Samael gets you nowhere in a timed run. The only time it is annoying is when somebody is spamming Samael in a 5v5 clash. However, that too can be avoided with the proper measures.

[Energizeric]

IMO, the use of 5 skills are ok. Hotkeys are a unfair, but there isn't anything wrong with 5 skills.

Kind of reminds me of those who say the NSA spying on people is ok, as long as they use it ONLY to fight terrorism. And I suppose it is ok for you to give me (or any other player) all of your gold to hold as long as we give it back to you when you need it.

The only problem is that all of those things require trust, and there is no way to verify any of them. So those in the NSA can spy on their political enemies, the player holding your gold can decide to steal it, and people playing on a PC can use hotkeys.

I'd prefer some rules to prevent abuses rather than just trusting that none will occur. ;)

[Xbadboyx]

So basically the people who play on phones r screwed... lol like me
i was using samsung galaxy s3 and now ipad 3 , and thats how i switch , in middle of fight i go to menu then skills and press skills map and change the skill then exit , easy huh? lol

if rogues wanna play fair matches that include 4 skills then sts should decrease their stacked critical buff with the aimed aimed shot , however the critical for all classes goes higher especially for rogues which means their critical with aimed shot might reach 60%+ and higher for next seasons so this skill should be fixed now or later , also they should decrease the damage for uncharged nox bolt / shadow piercer bcs there is a small difference between charged and uncharged nox bolt/shadow piercer damage which gives rogues the chance to use a deadly combo (aimed shot "charged"+ nox bolt "uncharged"+ shadow piercer "uncharged") . u can use this combo in 2 sec and it will do 4-4.5k damag to tanks ,am i wrong or rogues just want to fix other classes and buff their selves .

[Energizeric]

I am okay with not allowing skills to be swapped mid combat but I don't believe the devs can implement anything that doesn't disadvantage me in the way I use it between clashes.

How about this: a newly mapped skill cannot be used for 3-5 seconds. If you are like me and you're just mapping heal to use between battles, 2 of those seconds are already over by the time you close the mapping screen and get ready to use it. So it won't have an affect on us.

But it will make it undesirable to use during combat as those 3-5 seconds lost could mean losing a fight. Remember that the only people really benefiting from changing skills mid-battle are those using hotkeys, since for most of us it takes at least 2-3 seconds to map a new skill anyway.

[moot]

Skill change is an advantage of mage and warrior because of the long cooldown. Rogue have all the essential skills with 2 second cooldown.

Skill changing is fun.

[Otawaazavie]

A possible solution would be that no mapping could be done while character is in attack mode, only during rest mode.

[Sheener]

Rogues will be extremely op next season. I am waiting for it and its only endgame. For twinks warriors r super op. And rogues rnt as good just bc of twink rogues low crit. Next season end game rogues with arcane may reach 70 percent if its not nerfed

[Sheener]

And no one has said how to change skills while in a match

[falmear]

How about this: a newly mapped skill cannot be used for 3-5 seconds. If you are like me and you're just mapping heal to use between battles, 2 of those seconds are already over by the time you close the mapping screen and get ready to use it. So it won't have an affect on us.

But it will make it undesirable to use during combat as those 3-5 seconds lost could mean losing a fight. Remember that the only people really benefiting from changing skills mid-battle are those using hotkeys, since for most of us it takes at least 2-3 seconds to map a new skill anyway.

In TDM the pause between clashes is much shorter. Rogues frequently spawn kill (not giving me time to swap skills) and will rush back to try to kill me when my shield is down after I've killed them. All fair play in TDM, unlike CTF which is like a gentleman's battle. So now I have to wait 3 seconds to swap to lifegiver, and another 3 seconds to swap back to using ice. Rogue's can make it back in like 5 seconds and I frequently need to move away and hide for a short bit so it takes them longer to reach me because shield's cool down is so long. So now I have to juggle yet another cool down. And this is basically how 1v1 in TDM is like, you kill them and they rush back before you have had time to heal or shield has finished its cool down. So adding in some delay doesn't work for me. Seems like rogues only want the highest damage, fastest cool downs, the most attacking skills, OP healing and being able to one hit KO people. When people adapt they cry fowl. Sorry but I have no sympathy. The fact that I even have to switch skills between fights is absolutely ridiculous and I can't use all my skills in a fight.

[Haowesie]

I tried swapping skills in a 1v1 with a warrior from my guild, and twice I ended up in the elix store.....which lead to my death >.<

[Energizeric]

If they would implement my 1-on-1 PvP Arena/Duel idea then TDM would become more of a group battle so this would no longer be an issue.

[Zeus]

Rogues will be extremely op next season. I am waiting for it and its only endgame. For twinks warriors r super op. And rogues rnt as good just bc of twink rogues low crit. Next season end game rogues with arcane may reach 70 percent if its not nerfed

Sheener,

Do you have facts of this happening or are you just making assumptions? If you are just making assumptions, please don't.

[Ravager]

As they switch, switch in a mana pet and use the ability and switch.


If you got it, use it.

This option will not exist anymore, as the summon/dismiss is being patched.

Yea I know. They deemed that as a bug. Lets see if they deem this as a bug.

[Fauksuras]

I just want to add a warrior with 5 Skills has no weaknesses.

HOR and Jugg keep him alive and used in correct timing he will never go down in an 1-1, heck even 2-1.

SS and WM(or CS/AT if you're inclined) will keep him doing damage PLUS things like stunning,snaring or crippling.

And finally VB which works both ways will keep his health higher than usual and mana pools in constant regeneration WHILE giving him a nice crit and dmg bonus.

Same can be said for mages but to a much MUCH lesser degree.


As for pet patching I'm fine with it but as a Rogue I use it a lot after battles to regenerate mana before somebody comes for the petty/revenge kill. If they will do this I think they should add a mana regenerating perk to Health packs, simply make the max number of 3 a standard and make that perk regenerate mana.

BTW I play both a Rogue and a Warrior, I have no best interest here in either getting buffed or nerfed.

[Instanthumor]

Kind of reminds me of those who say the NSA spying on people is ok, as long as they use it ONLY to fight terrorism. And I suppose it is ok for you to give me (or any other player) all of your gold to hold as long as we give it back to you when you need it.

The only problem is that all of those things require trust, and there is no way to verify any of them. So those in the NSA can spy on their political enemies, the player holding your gold can decide to steal it, and people playing on a PC can use hotkeys.

I'd prefer some rules to prevent abuses rather than just trusting that none will occur. ;)

I'm sorry, but the idea of 5 skills being ok and hotkeys being bad does not remind me of those who say the NSA spying on people is ok, etc. This has nothing to do with the NSA. If you want my gold, all I have to say is good luck getting me to press that confirmation button. For me, trust isn't an issue when it comes to using 5 skills. If the opponent asks me if I use five skills, I will say yes (most of the time, depending if I'm actually using 5 or not), and it is very much verifiable. I don't see where you are going exactly, besides something about NSA having the authority to spy on you if relating to terrorism, but I still think that the use of 5 skills is ok.

[Zeus]

I'm sorry, but the idea of 5 skills being ok and hotkeys being bad does not remind me of those who say the NSA spying on people is ok, etc. This has nothing to do with the NSA. If you want my gold, all I have to say is good luck getting me to press that confirmation button. For me, trust isn't an issue when it comes to using 5 skills. If the opponent asks me if I use five skills, I will say yes (most of the time, depending if I'm actually using 5 or not), and it is very much verifiable. I don't see where you are going exactly, besides something about NSA having the authority to spy on you if relating to terrorism, but I still think that the use of 5 skills is ok.

You're saying that 5 skills is fine, but scripts to run those 5 skills is not.

His point was that in order to differentiate between the two, it basically comes down to trust - so it does hold merit. While his way of showing his point was extreme, it served purpose.

[cindersx]

I don't understand how using more than 4 skills makes it unfair... You can do the same thing if you wanted to, so how's it unfair?

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[Fauksuras]

I don't understand how using more than 4 skills makes it unfair... You can do the same thing if you wanted to, so how's it unfair?

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Not all classes share the same skills or effects and not all classes will receive the same amount of benefit. In this practice warriors clearly are the ones benefiting, so its not as simple as "just do it back to them"

[wlsgh15]

Imo. It doesnt seems unfair. Well I m one of experienced oldies here and when I see the op class each terms of season, most early season,rogues were op cuz of much crits then mages of maze n crits and lastly warrior by tanking. Someone just pointed out of 6k hp of warrior but rogue can crit 4k+
And also giving death by 2combo of rogue. Guys come on. Every time u guys complained, skills are messed up then sts fix by buff/nerf then it will keep messing and ppl will complaining. I havent 1vs1 from when dagger come out. Cuz of crits. Now it said nerf but still can kill many warriors as they can make perfect timing combo. For another reason to its fair is using 5skills skilled. I use 4skills cuz I m not good at swapping fast. And it worked for me. Some can go for dmg build,crits build or whatever. Once u got 2secs of shild of horn, doesnt mean its unlimited, jugger are for 7-8secs buff but cool down1min. For me, I will give some skill point like passive or crits or whatever suit for me instead of using 2or3attack skills in terms of swapping time . As by rogue, I would use razorshild to dodge dmg n make bleed if I use rogue and think that need to use 5skills or can be other passive skills. And one more point, if mage or war need 4skills then I assumed rogue need nerf crits so I can only use vb horn and 2skills. This is strategy for all class. Using 5skills and swapping fast need many practise. It doesnt come for random ppl. They must practised alot. In addition, 1vs1 best isnt best. Doing good at group fight could also mean good players.

[cindersx]

Not all classes share the same skills or effects and not all classes will receive the same amount of benefit. In this practice warriors clearly are the ones benefiting, so its not as simple as "just do it back to them"

Then how about you try the warrior class instead of complaining about how it's 'unfair' to have more than 4 skills.

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[Fauksuras]

Then how about you try the warrior class instead of complaining about how it's 'unfair' to have more than 4 skills.

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Well that got hostile fast.

If you bothered to read every post before commenting you would realize I have already posted my thoughts and pointed out I play BOTH Rogues and Warrior in PVP, I have nothing to gain from either one getting buffed or nerfed. To spare you the mentally straining task of searching I will paste here what I said earlier

"I just want to add a warrior with 5 Skills has no weaknesses.

HOR and Jugg keep him alive and used in correct timing he will never go down in an 1-1, heck even 2-1.

SS and WM(or CS/AT if you're inclined) will keep him doing damage PLUS things like stunning,snaring or crippling.

And finally VB which works both ways will keep his health higher than usual and mana pools in constant regeneration WHILE giving him a nice crit and dmg bonus."

To make it simpler

I play a warrior, I know their weakness and their strengths and I KNOW a warrior running with 5 skills simultaneously is very very VERY hard to kill, denying this fact is simply biased.

And that's not even accounting for equipment strength or pet choice.

[cindersx]

Well that got hostile fast.

If you bothered to read every post before commenting you would realize I have already posted my thoughts and pointed out I play BOTH Rogues and Warrior in PVP, I have nothing to gain from either one getting buffed or nerfed. To spare you the mentally straining task of searching I will paste here what I said earlier

"I just want to add a warrior with 5 Skills has no weaknesses.

HOR and Jugg keep him alive and used in correct timing he will never go down in an 1-1, heck even 2-1.

SS and WM(or CS/AT if you're inclined) will keep him doing damage PLUS things like stunning,snaring or crippling.

And finally VB which works both ways will keep his health higher than usual and mana pools in constant regeneration WHILE giving him a nice crit and dmg bonus."

To make it simpler

I play a warrior, I know their weakness and their strengths and I KNOW a warrior running with 5 skills simultaneously denying this fact is simply biased.

Mmk... and this has to do with the topic how exactly?

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[zephyruh]

I say we give rogues a new skill like Veng to increase our damage and crit. A debuff would also benefit our ever so useless debuffs. I really hope this "arcane bow" replenishes mana since rogues like me can only deal about 4k damage a combo and we can only do this combo about 3-5 times (depending on build) before we run out of mana.

[Zeus]

Mmk... and this has to do with the topic how exactly?

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It has everything to do with the topic, as the reason skill changes are being talked about is because it eliminates the weaknesses of the warrior class. On a mage, even if you swap, it sure as hell makes thinks better but it doesn't make you near immortal like it does with a warrior.

[Fauksuras]

Mmk... and this has to do with the topic how exactly?

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Not sure if getting trolled or another more unfortunate possibility, but I'll bite.

Changing skills in a PVP room would essentially allow a class to run with 5 skills, there is a debate/rumor about people (mostly warriors) using "hot keys" during their battles which is aiding them in achieving the goal of changing skills in PVP rooms and using 5 skills simultaneously.

Now the debate is whether this should be allowed or not. There are some who are against it and others for it. And others with the groundbreaking idea of , ahem, "do it to them" without realizing not all classes are created equal.


On an unrelated note: Kids, stay in school.

[cindersx]

It has everything to do with the topic, as the reason skill changes are being talked about is because it eliminates the weaknesses of the warrior class. On a mage, even if you swap, it sure as hell makes thinks better but it doesn't make you near immortal like it does with a warrior.

Mmk..

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[Fauksuras]

I say we give rogues a new skill like Veng to increase our damage and crit. A debuff would also benefit our ever so useless debuffs. I really hope this "arcane bow" replenishes mana since rogues like me can only deal about 4k damage a combo and we can only do this combo about 3-5 times (depending on build) before we run out of mana.

What I'd really like is mana replenished from packs (not whole pool but just enough to survive). On bow it would be great but I'd prefer something accessible for everyone

[cindersx]

Not sure if getting trolled or another more unfortunate possibility, but I'll bite.

Changing skills in a PVP room would essentially allow a class to run with 5 skills, there is a debate/rumor about people (mostly warriors) using "hot keys" during their battles which is aiding them in achieving the goal of changing skills in PVP rooms and using 5 skills simultaneously.

Now the debate is whether this should be allowed or not. There are some who are against it and others for it. And others with the groundbreaking idea of , ahem, "do it to them" without realizing not all classes are created equal.


On an unrelated note: Kids, stay in school.

Haha? Good unrelated note I guess.

I still don't understand how it's unfair that people use 5 skills. They just switch skills. Any class can do that.



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[zephyruh]

I forgot to add sarcasm in my post. Sorry

[Sheener]

Still is a disadvantage to the ppl who play on phones which is what this game is meant for. And zeus... if rogues crit and dodge doesnt get nerfed they will be insane next season on top of the arcane weapon rogues will prob get. And what I said ab twink rogues a top twink rogue has 10 to 15 percent crit vs end game is 40+ this shows that rogues get better with levels versus warriors that dont really add those type of stats. Not sure on mages. So basically dont call me out bc that makes plently of sense to me.

[Fauksuras]

Haha? Good unrelated note I guess.

I still don't understand how it's unfair that people use 5 skills. They just switch skills. Any class can do that.



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I understand what you mean, but with warriors a skill like juggernaut is too powerful when it comes to PVP (specially vs mages), they should have to choose between Juggernaut or another offensive skill, BUT if they have 5 options there's really nothing to choose and they become very har to kill.

I've personally survived 4-1 attacks on my warrior with HOR, Juggernaut,Pavise and Abbadon and made it back safely to my team where battle resume and by time my health is low again HOR is recharged.

Now imagine someone able to survive that kind of punishment and at the same time dealing good dmg plus getting the mana replenished.

[Fauksuras]

Still is a disadvantage to the ppl who play on phones which is what this game is meant for. And zeus... if rogues crit and dodge doesnt get nerfed they will be insane next season on top of the arcane weapon rogues will prob get. And what I said ab twink rogues a top twink rogue has 10 to 15 percent crit vs end game is 40+ this shows that rogues get better with levels versus warriors that dont really add those type of stats. Not sure on mages. So basically dont call me out bc that makes plently of sense to me.

I dont know if rogues will get their crit nerfed (dodge to me is meh) but at the beginning of this season there was a tweak to the damage of classes all around in PVP, of course rogues got the short end of the stick since damage is sort of their thing.

I imagine something similar being done again but IDK if crit would be it.

[Zeus]

Haha? Good unrelated note I guess.

I still don't understand how it's unfair that people use 5 skills. They just switch skills. Any class can do that.


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As I said before, other classes can't. Each class had a weakness - warriors had a lack of supreme damage while having unmatched defense and survivability. Mages had their stuns & damaging AOE skills - which was nerfed through stun immunity (I still think that should be reduced) at the cost of survivability, and rogues had unmatched damage at the cost of rapidly depleting mana.

Rogues cannot just use another skill, there's no need for it as their CDs are so fast. Their weakness lies in their mana bar, right? So, when you give a warrior skill swaps, he can use the immortality when needed and then swap out to attack skills.


Still is a disadvantage to the ppl who play on phones which is what this game is meant for. And zeus... if rogues crit and dodge doesnt get nerfed they will be insane next season on top of the arcane weapon rogues will prob get. And what I said ab twink rogues a top twink rogue has 10 to 15 percent crit vs end game is 40+ this shows that rogues get better with levels versus warriors that dont really add those type of stats. Not sure on mages. So basically dont call me out bc that makes plently of sense to me.

They nerf crit every season if I am not mistaken. Also, dodge has no effect since skills cannot be dodged so I truly do not understand what you are getting at or why you are trying to predict the future for changes that are needing to be happened based on current situation. There is just no logic behind that, bud.

If you're going to suggest something, please think it through. I have played warrior as well, actually, it was my first mythic character. I know the strengths and weaknesses of the class. The only class I do not know is mage, which is why I do not suggest changes to their skills other than reducing the stun immunity as it literally takes apart what the class is meant to do.


@Zephy
Rogues only do 4k+ damage a combo if they're max. Also, keep in mind that if a rogue is using nox and you are using jugg, the jugg will keep you alive.

[zephyruh]

@zeus
Ive experienced high combo Crits from non maxed rogues. And using nox on a Jugg enhanced warrior depends on the experience and skill of the rogue. As many of us know there are Pro players that know when we use Jugg and know what to do in the situations. I haven't heard from these Pro players in this thread as they know how to deal with skill switching. Trust me I've been doing it for the majority of the time I've been in pvp. I can discern who these players are and have practiced with them. And have been told by many that's it's a way of play. The more there is a challenge the better. It's how you learn tbh. There is much more to switching than just pressing through menus. There is more thought and strategy. When to use what u need. I mess up my switches many times, I even end up with three usable skills at times. This is all from my experience

[zephyruh]

Idc what is being stated just the truth

[Sheener]

What I would like to know is how do u skill change in pvp. Abd is it possible on a phone. Also zeus my point was that rogues happen to be a class that gets better at higher levels and warrior does not. Think venge for example. At lvl 16 plus 50 str is op. At lvl 41 plus 50 str isnt much. But rogues get exponentially better with crit and dmg. And think a point of crit is worth maybe 8 percent dmg on a rogue with all the extra dmg on critical. There will be hundreds of the arcane rogue weapon and they will dominate.

[Solid]

Check out my 4 skills thread.

[Solid]

@zeus
Ive experienced high combo Crits from non maxed rogues. And using nox on a Jugg enhanced warrior depends on the experience and skill of the rogue. As many of us know there are Pro players that know when we use Jugg and know what to do in the situations. I haven't heard from these Pro players in this thread as they know how to deal with skill switching. Trust me I've been doing it for the majority of the time I've been in pvp. I can discern who these players are and have practiced with them. And have been told by many that's it's a way of play. The more there is a challenge the better. It's how you learn tbh. There is much more to switching than just pressing through menus. There is more thought and strategy. When to use what u need. I mess up my switches many times, I even end up with three usable skills at times. This is all from my experience


Even with mythic dagger, on some tanks (that use 6 skills) i cannot make it past my first packs nor even try to kill it....

[zephyruh]

@zeus
Ive experienced high combo Crits from non maxed rogues. And using nox on a Jugg enhanced warrior depends on the experience and skill of the rogue. As many of us know there are Pro players that know when we use Jugg and know what to do in the situations. I haven't heard from these Pro players in this thread as they know how to deal with skill switching. Trust me I've been doing it for the majority of the time I've been in pvp. I can discern who these players are and have practiced with them. And have been told by many that's it's a way of play. The more there is a challenge the better. It's how you learn tbh. There is much more to switching than just pressing through menus. There is more thought and strategy. When to use what u need. I mess up my switches many times, I even end up with three usable skills at times. This is all from my experience


Even with mythic dagger, on some tanks (that use 6 skills) i cannot make it past my first packs nor even try to kill it....

(Idk how to quote.. Hopefully it doesn't go wrong)
And that is u as a player. Learn from your mistakes

[Solid]

(Idk how to quote.. Hopefully it doesn't go wrong)
And that is u as a player. Learn from your mistakes

How do you kill a warrior when you can't make it to your seconds packs? The damage input/my health ratio is too high.


Enlighten me , o' wise rogue.

[zephyruh]

(Idk how to quote.. Hopefully it doesn't go wrong)
And that is u as a player. Learn from your mistakes

How do you kill a warrior when you can't make it to your seconds packs? The damage input/my health ratio is too high.


Enlighten me , o' wise rogue.

Ask the people I'm talking about. Sorry i cannot name on forums (from what i have seen)

[Zeus]

Ask the people I'm talking about. Sorry i cannot name on forums (from what i have seen)

You can name on forums, you just can't call out scammers and stuff.

[zephyruh]

Ask the people I'm talking about. Sorry i cannot name on forums (from what i have seen)

You can name on forums, you just can't call out scammers and stuff.

U sure This isn't a plot to get me banned? O. O

[Fauksuras]

U sure This isn't a plot to get me banned? O. O


if its nothing negative im sure you can

[Zeus]

U sure This isn't a plot to get me banned? O. O

Lol, Zephy, why would I want to get you banned when you live 30 minutes away? :p

[Madnex]

Remove horn invulnerability period or switch it to one second. This should do it.



Sorcs with five against an equally geared rogue can lose fairly often. Once the shield is down, lifegiver gives you about two more seconds before crit'd to death. Try to wait the two-second invulnerability out and your job is done.

[zephyruh]

U sure This isn't a plot to get me banned? O. O

Lol, Zephy, why would I want to get you banned when you live 30 minutes away? :p

True. I stand (laying down) defeated :p come over baby

[Bless]

Remove horn invulnerability period or switch it to one second. This should do it.



Sorcs with five against an equally geared rogue can lose fairly often. Once the shield is down, lifegiver gives you about two more seconds before crit'd to death. Try to wait the two-second invulnerability out and your job is done. its hard to stay alive with beimg stprmed by 3 attack skills and curse. You try it

[Zeus]

its hard to stay alive with beimg stprmed by 3 attack skills and curse. You try it

I think in general, mages need a buff.

The combat triangle is:
• Rogues > Warriors
• Sorcerers > Rogues
• Warriors > Sorcerers

However, right now, it is more like:
• Warriors > Rogues (if warrior is 5+ skilled)
• Sorcerers < Rogues (unless the sorcerer is very skilled, ie: Arrypotta)
• Warriors > Sorcerers

As you can see, it's tipped to favor warriors largely at the moment. Of course, I am comparing equally geared classes, as comparing otherwise would be pointless and mute.

[Daddyblu]

Solution they should now allowed any players to change the 4 skills once entered inside the PVP room.

You can choose your 4 main skills before you enter pvp room.

once your inside you cant change it, unless you go out of the pvp area.

some warrior use 5 skills now. Jug venge hord +2 killing skills... LOL! tell me how can you kill this on 1-1?

[Madnex]

I think in general, mages need a buff.

The combat triangle is:
• Rogues > Warriors
• Sorcerers > Rogues
• Warriors > Sorcerers

However, right now, it is more like:
• Warriors > Rogues (if warrior is 5+ skilled)
• Sorcerers < Rogues (unless the sorcerer is very skilled, ie: Arrypotta)
• Warriors > Sorcerers

As you can see, it's tipped to favor warriors largely at the moment. Of course, I am comparing equally geared classes, as comparing otherwise would be pointless and mute.
If you compare them on arcane levels, warrior doesn't even need five to beat either. Also, the new rogue arcane is bound to tip the balance in favor of rogues for versing either of the other classes.

Both mythic geared, a lvl31 or lvl36 mythic weapon rogue has a fair chance to beat a lvl36 arcane weapon sorc. Imagine what's going to happen once you get your hands on lvl41 arcane spear; sure it'll even out things with warriors but sorcs will be erased from the map.

[Zeus]

If you compare them on arcane levels, warrior doesn't even need five to beat either. Also, the new rogue arcane is bound to tip the balance in favor of rogues for versing either of the other classes.

Both mythic geared, a lvl31 or lvl36 mythic weapon rogue has a fair chance to beat a lvl36 arcane weapon sorc. Imagine what's going to happen once you get your hands on lvl41 arcane spear; sure it'll even out things with warriors but sorcs will be erased from the map.

Mad,

Are you positive that there's going to be a new arcane weapon? The reason why I am asking is that they have not made any announcements for upcoming arcane weapons and by this time, they usually do.

Secondly, the new itemization system that is set in place leads me to believe the new arcane weapon won't come until a month or two into the expansion.

[Endkey]

I guese a lot of mages and warriors who are.opposing this.and sayin "oh another thread" should actually try using a rogue. And if they have one...its prolly the fully mythic geared one so they dnt have much problem...just make on and ill ask a friend to test the skill switch with u im between the 1v1...lets see how much can u win

[Anarchist]

60221


I warn all of you that our donkey is tired of being freely mindedly beating and harrassed.

@ Op the 5th skill matter has been widely debated battered and discussed over and over again.

And just like i said in the other threads there are 3 major pillars in AL:

1. PvE balance.
2. Differences between classes
3. Ctf and TDM balance.

Looking better into the pvp balance it emerge that:

War>Mage
Rogue>War
Mage>=Rogue.

Including 5th skill to balance 1vs1 brought this:

War>>Mage.
War>Rogue.
Mage>Rogue.
Even though mage now really have the upper hand agaisnt rogues things weren't meant to be this way infact this balance gives the rogue class Small power in the PvP triangle in a 1vs1 fight More power to the mage class and Too much power to the War class.


(1vs1 pvp wasn't even meant to exist in d first place).

Solution
The best solution is giving a 5-10sec cooldown to any skill that is changed.
This will bring the original balance and still let players who change skill between fights to do it.



U sure This isn't a plot to get me banned? O. O

Where are these names?

[Daddyblu]

I guese a lot of mages and warriors who are.opposing this.and sayin "oh another thread" should actually try using a rogue. And if they have one...its prolly the fully mythic geared one so they dnt have much problem...just make on and ill ask a friend to test the skill switch with u im between the 1v1...lets see how much can u win

LOL.. 100% true

We tried this with one of my guild member who used 5 skills tried 1-1 with Full mythic and arcane pet warrior samael..

we dont lots of experiment if its true lol

He was using a full legendary tarlok or winter set and entobed hammer and slug.

then VS a full mythic with arcane warrior.

Legendary warrior use this skills SMash + Windmil + axe trow + veng + Jug.

Full mythic and arcane used Smash +axe + jug

legendary warrior wins.. using 5 skills fast change.



Only solution is 1!

Your not allowed to change skills inside the pvp room...

if you want to change skills you must go out of the pvp room 1st.

its is very advantage to warrior to change the skills... specially if they are on PC with hot keys.

Warrior is already hard to kill with high HP and healing..

how much more if it used hot keys and 5 skills build lol!

[Madnex]

Mad,

Are you positive that there's going to be a new arcane weapon? The reason why I am asking is that they have not made any announcements for upcoming arcane weapons and by this time, they usually do.

Secondly, the new itemization system that is set in place leads me to believe the new arcane weapon won't come until a month or two into the expansion.
To be honest, it's based mostly on assumptions and deductive thinking. I'm 87.63% sure there will be a new arcane rarity weapon for rogues. I'm also going to correct my earlier post and announce(!) it's going to be an arcane bow. :)


The reason its announcement is delayed is the new itemization system. There would be no point in announcing everything that's going to come out this early; it's supposed to make us feel the excitement of something new close to when it's released, not just having to wait for already announced gear longer than usual.

[Daddyblu]

To be honest, it's based mostly on assumptions and deductive thinking. I'm 87.63% sure there will be a new arcane rarity weapon for rogues. I'm also going to correct my earlier post and announce(!) it's going to be an arcane bow. :)


The reason its announcement is delayed is the new itemization system. There would be no point in announcing everything that's going to come out this early; it's supposed to make us feel the excitement of something new close to when it's released, not just having to wait for already announced gear longer than usual.

LOL where did you get the idea of arcane bow???

Geeezzzz.... why would they release arcane weapons again when we dont have any arcane armors or pendant and rings... meow meow

[Endkey]

Guys
Zephyruh is one of the best warriors i have known. I have seen him giving Predator a tough time and if my memory serves right..he was using architect.
Arrypotta has killed me and desperoto 2v1 with not only coz he has kershal but his timings were awesome
Predator has killed all those heavy tanks who have like 7k hp.
All these guys do it fair so pls dnt say that one class is better than the other.

[Emmacheese]

Only solution is 1!

Your not allowed to change skills inside the pvp room...

if you want to change skills you must go out of the pvp room 1st.

its is very advantage to warrior to change the skills... specially if they are on PC with hot keys.

Warrior is already hard to kill with high HP and healing..

how much more if it used hot keys and 5 skills build lol!

Um no the solution is not being able to switch skills in combat, I have 3 different play styles, many mages do, it depends who we are against etc, leaving the pvp room would be just silly.

[Endkey]

For those who say that Aimed shot has 250% dmg on crit, they prolly have never used a mage coz mages also have the same option.
Now u will prolly say that Rogues have high crits. Well mages have shields.
If a kershal mage crits on a lightning against a rogue, the rogues hp will prolly be 30% if the rogue is fully mythic geared with daggs. If the rogue uses aimed shot during the sheild, the mages hp will prolly be 80% again.
Mages have the shields who can save them from those deadly crits of rogues but rogues dont have any shields.

[Daddyblu]

Um no the solution is not being able to switch skills in combat, I have 3 different play styles, many mages do, it depends who we are against etc, leaving the pvp room would be just silly.

Well we all know 5skill build warrior using hotkeys are over power... what do you suggest??

not also that i saw one warrior who used unli skills pet... zzz they should fix this skill pet spam.

[falmear]

For those who say that Aimed shot has 250% dmg on crit, they prolly have never used a mage coz mages also have the same option.
Now u will prolly say that Rogues have high crits. Well mages have shields.
If a kershal mage crits on a lightning against a rogue, the rogues hp will prolly be 30% if the rogue is fully mythic geared with daggs. If the rogue uses aimed shot during the sheild, the mages hp will prolly be 80% again.
Mages have the shields who can save them from those deadly crits of rogues but rogues dont have any shields.

Mages have 30% less armor then rogues, so what do you expect? Just because you can't one shot us with shield this some how makes things balanced? Shield only lasts 15 seconds with a 30 second cool down. So 50% of the time I am running with 30% less armor then a rogue despite having similar health. And a mage withy mythic staff has less health then a rogue. And this doesn't account for the fact that it now only takes a few shots to break our shield before 15 seconds is up. Once a certain amount of damage is absorbed, then our shield will break. Lightning is in no way comparable to aimed shot. I proved this by doing a damage comparison between the two. Aimed shot does more damage then lightning. Seems like rogues aren't happy unless they can one shot mages. And rogues packs are very OP. They will recover 90% of your health. Lifegiver doesn't even recover 50% of my health. So if you get to all of your packs a mage has to do 190% damage on a rogue to kill them. This doesn't even account for the healing over time. Sorry but rogues have all of the advantages with very few disadvantages.

[Instanthumor]

Guys
Zephyruh is one of the best warriors i have known. I have seen him giving Predator a tough time and if my memory serves right..he was using architect.
Arrypotta has killed me and desperoto 2v1 with not only coz he has kershal but his timings were awesome
Predator has killed all those heavy tanks who have like 7k hp.
All these guys do it fair so pls dnt say that one class is better than the other.

I hope you realize that Arry uses 5 skills lmao...

[Endkey]

instant i dnt know that he does 5 skills...i cant take ur word for it..but still 2v1...that guy is a pro

[Striderevil]

Hotkeys is not the issue. As the game progresses and level caps increase there will be far more skill points available. It would make more sense to increase number of skill slots carried like in PL and their other games. Why limit skills at all. This is better so that mobile users have a fair advantage as PC users. Like I said before of the 3 avatars only mages can run more skills effectively due to their mana pools. Even wars run out of mana so having a ton of skills wont change that fact. However mana pools will increase as game advance so maybe devs should think about increasing mana prices as levels increase for skills rather than restricting mage heal ability or just introduce more advanced skills lol.

[Instanthumor]

instant i dnt know that he does 5 skills...i cant take ur word for it..but still 2v1...that guy is a pro

I know for a fact that he uses 5 skills, anyways, I don't think it's hard for a full geared arcane mage to kill 2 rogues, I'm sure Jon can do it too.

[falmear]

I hope you realize that Arry uses 5 skills lmao...

I didn't want to out Arry but I know for a fact he uses 5 skills. Whether or not you need to use 5 skills to kill 2 rogues my guess is you don't. Just 3 attack skills and shield. If anything this is a commentary on the rogues skills. If 2 rogues can't kill 1 mage, I am sorry but maybe something is wrong with how you play.

[Solid]

I didn't want to out Arry but I know for a fact he uses 5 skills. Whether or not you need to use 5 skills to kill 2 rogues my guess is you don't. Just 3 attack skills and shield. If anything this is a commentary on the rogues skills. If 2 rogues can't kill 1 mage, I am sorry but maybe something is wrong with how you play.

Lmfao exactly, 2 sh***** rogues can take a arcane mage in 2v1.

[zephyruh]

Guys
Zephyruh is one of the best warriors i have known. I have seen him giving Predator a tough time and if my memory serves right..he was using architect.
Arrypotta has killed me and desperoto 2v1 with not only coz he has kershal but his timings were awesome
Predator has killed all those heavy tanks who have like 7k hp.
All these guys do it fair so pls dnt say that one class is better than the other.

I hope you realize that Arry uses 5 skills lmao...

I can't get close to predator with arch blade. Unless he doesn't use sam

[zephyruh]

Predator defeats most if not all switchers including me. Obviously we are going to give u guys a hard time. Why do you want to defeat every warrior? Why do you want it to be simple? To be the best vs all classes? I have told predator that I want him to be better than me in 1v1 and he is. Shows that it's not gear and skills used. But the skill and timing of a player.

@end
Please tell me who these warriors are that you are going against.

[Anarchist]

__.

Ahahahah your sig is funny! c:

[Sky_is_epicgearz]

I hope you realize that Arry uses 5 skills lmao...

*giggles*

[Sky_is_epicgearz]

Weee I've got the 100th post! Yay me!

[Zeus]

Hotkeys is not the issue. As the game progresses and level caps increase there will be far more skill points available. It would make more sense to increase number of skill slots carried like in PL and their other games. Why limit skills at all. This is better so that mobile users have a fair advantage as PC users. Like I said before of the 3 avatars only mages can run more skills effectively due to their mana pools. Even wars run out of mana so having a ton of skills wont change that fact. However mana pools will increase as game advance so maybe devs should think about increasing mana prices as levels increase for skills rather than restricting mage heal ability or just introduce more advanced skills lol.

If I am not mistaken, mana prices increase as the levels increase. :)

[Xbadboyx]

jugg so powerful no need for more than 4 skills? not true , just wait 10-12 sec till the juggernaut finish then kill the tank after he heal, (heal-jugg-attacking skills-attacking skill) or (heal-jugg-vb-attacking skill) so basically his dmg wont be high enough and u will have the time to wait his jugg and kill him easily .

[Striderevil]

Lol when jugg is over there is vb that gives some health and also hr and by that time its time to hit jugg again

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[Serancha]

Guys
Zephyruh is one of the best warriors i have known. I have seen him giving Predator a tough time and if my memory serves right..he was using architect.
Arrypotta has killed me and desperoto 2v1 with not only coz he has kershal but his timings were awesome
Predator has killed all those heavy tanks who have like 7k hp.
All these guys do it fair so pls dnt say that one class is better than the other.

Pred is NOT a normal rogue. You cannot base the abilities of a class on its (arguably) top player.

Nor can you base the abilities of a class on one of the few top players who has an arcane weapon. That's not balance, that's luck and wealth to obtain a weapon that overpowers any others (in that class) by a mile.

[Daddyblu]

Pred is NOT a normal rogue. You cannot base the abilities of a class on its (arguably) top player.

Nor can you base the abilities of a class on one of the few top players who has an arcane weapon. That's not balance, that's luck and wealth to obtain a weapon that overpowers any others (in that class) by a mile.

Agreed! pred is not normal LOL!


I 1-1 with igraashoper and score was 8-1 lol... not close to pred skills.

the best rouge so far that i came across is ipred and Love.

[zephyruh]

Guys
Zephyruh is one of the best warriors i have known. I have seen him giving Predator a tough time and if my memory serves right..he was using architect.
Arrypotta has killed me and desperoto 2v1 with not only coz he has kershal but his timings were awesome
Predator has killed all those heavy tanks who have like 7k hp.
All these guys do it fair so pls dnt say that one class is better than the other.

Pred is NOT a normal rogue. You cannot base the abilities of a class on its (arguably) top player.

Nor can you base the abilities of a class on one of the few top players who has an arcane weapon. That's not balance, that's luck and wealth to obtain a weapon that overpowers any others (in that class) by a mile.

I know I wasn't quoted but from my reply It shows that it is possible for a rogue to still be best vs a "switcher ". I don't know the true intentions of these rogue players that are trying to get rid of switching, but it is possible and yes it will take work. I borrow a glaive to be fully equipped some times so this would only make sense for a fully equipped rogue to go vs a fully equipped war and win(including Sam as a pet). Pred is normal just with a lot of experience. It wouldn't make sense for any rogue with little to no experience (in the way a 1v1 goes) to win. Any questions I would be glad to help in game usually in at most times.

[Endkey]

Pred is NOT a normal rogue. You cannot base the abilities of a class on its (arguably) top player.Nor can you base the abilities of a class on one of the few top players who has an arcane weapon. That's not balance, that's luck and wealth to obtain a weapon that overpowers any others (in that class) by a mile.Serancha warriors that i mentioned with 7k hp are the ones who use mauls,rings samaels. I have seen pred in action and he does not change skills and all that...

[zephyruh]

Pred is NOT a normal rogue. You cannot base the abilities of a class on its (arguably) top player.Nor can you base the abilities of a class on one of the few top players who has an arcane weapon. That's not balance, that's luck and wealth to obtain a weapon that overpowers any others (in that class) by a mile.Serancha warriors that i mentioned with 7k hp are the ones who use mauls,rings samaels. I have seen pred in action and he does not change skills and all that...

I'm possibly blind but I cannot see any statement that says predator switches skills. Unless u are stating that a 4 skill rogue can defeat any warrior regardless if he switches or not. Only proves that it is possible for any rogue(assuming both classes have equal gear) to defeat these warriors. Imo there should be a challenge for them. As stated before pvp isn't built on 1v1 mechanics, this all seems to be about formally organized 1v1s. Not roaming encounters. If 1v1s have their place in this game with the developers intending it I'm sure they would balance out the classes to the point where the most skilled players in the match will win. No switching needed. I also understand that we can win with 4 skills taking into account certain luck flaws like unlucky stuns that make a rogue fail the heal packs. But tbh it's not always what happens(in my experiences dueling), I tend to see the warrior lose about 80-90 % of the time. Until the day this system is implemented into the game, just don't 1v1.

Skill switching shows its benefits in many areas of the game.(not on 1v1 topic just showing the different possibilities that people possibly didn't know about) I use different skills to pve(although I seem to fall asleep in some elites:p). And a different skill set in pvp. I do not spend Plat to make this possible. It can be very beneficial for those non-plat buyers that possibly don't get any Plat offers in their area.

[Endkey]

i already said that noone cares about PvE. we all have a common enemy
I know that PvP is not made for 1v1s but there are times when u randomly have a clash with a guy.
Even if i dnt talk about pred and talk about normal rogues like me i cannot afford a warrior going on attack mode and then switching to defense mode in the game..coz we rogues dnt have any defense mode.
I also dnt buy plats either. I am not saying u guys to stop using more than 4 skills. i am just saying that when u enter pvp decide which 4 skills ur gnna choose.

[Socrates]

guys why noone thought the possibility that they dont respect but they have 5 skills from the start and just change them?

[Socrates]

respec*

[Endkey]

what i am saying is simply that skills changing in the pvp room should be finished just so noone switches skills in between battles. And if u think ur a pro tank mage or rogue u should know what 4 skills u should use

[Madnex]

No thanks.

It has been discussed and explained already by far more appropriate and experienced players. Spare us your unconstructive two cents. There's nothing new to be added on this topic but one-sided and class-favorable inputs.

It's pointless as long as no dev/mod seems to be publicing their decision on the matter.

[Endkey]

i have a guess that devs have seen this thread and i hope they reply..

[zephyruh]

i already said that noone cares about PvE. we all have a common enemy
I know that PvP is not made for 1v1s but there are times when u randomly have a clash with a guy.
Even if i dnt talk about pred and talk about normal rogues like me i cannot afford a warrior going on attack mode and then switching to defense mode in the game..coz we rogues dnt have any defense mode.
I also dnt buy plats either. I am not saying u guys to stop using more than 4 skills. i am just saying that when u enter pvp decide which 4 skills ur gnna choose.

So you are saying that you should always win the random 1v1 encounter? Because you are a rogue right ? Even then when you do have a random clash there are many factors like teammates or the extra heal/mana located around the map. Don't tell me when u encounter a warrior in a 1v1 situation everyone stops to watch and you are locked from grabbing these heals. I see many do it idk why you shouldn't. Or you could just run away. If I'm not mistaken you use devourer bow and malison right? When we have dueled I always had higher gear. I'm pretty sure not every warrior you randomly encounter has less equal gear than you. So it doesn't always have to do with switching. Anyways your guild master switches and so do many of your friends. Best of luck in your desires

[lethaljade]

Dont see why everyone's debating about 5 skills, ctf is pointless now , you can't even kill people, or you get the whole "why me" speech, or the whole I just flag please, its irritating, you cant kill flaggers, you cant kill people unlees they attack you, and if you do your own thing and kill whoever, they call there whole guild to gang you. I say have as many skills as you want its rare you find a game where your "allowed" to kill someone, its so silly.

[Madnex]

Well yeah, CTF's all about ganging. As if the players themselves didn't tend to gang already, now they have the excuse: "u attak my guild member".


I don't know what sort of fun people get out of easy unfair fights justified by "guild pride" and I don't want to, either. It's sad because I keep seeing this even from (arguably) respectable players from LB. Don't expect me to spare any of you while you flag next time.

[Socrates]

the best solution I can think is to lose life when you are at the opposite team base so you can stay long enough there so you must leave!!

[Socrates]

can not*

[Endkey]

Dont see why everyone's debating about 5 skills, ctf is pointless now , you can't even kill people, or you get the whole "why me" speech, or the whole I just flag please, its irritating, you cant kill flaggers, you cant kill people unlees they attack you, and if you do your own thing and kill whoever, they call there whole guild to gang you. I say have as many skills as you want its rare you find a game where your "allowed" to kill someone, its so silly.
Jade more and more people ask "y me". the sole purpose is kills :P

[Endkey]

Well yeah, CTF's all about ganging. As if the players themselves didn't tend to gang already, now they have the excuse: "u attak my guild member".


I don't know what sort of fun people get out of easy unfair fights justified by "guild pride" and I don't want to, either. It's sad because I keep seeing this even from (arguably) respectable players from LB. Don't expect me to spare any of you while you flag next time.

Madnex people join guilds for help. Guildies have to help their fellow guildies wen in trouble.
About flags its ur choice to let em flag or not.

[Fauksuras]

Id like to add a personal experience from today.

I'm running with SS,Jugg,Horn and VB using a level 36 Abbaddon

I was Using upgraded mythic armor,helm, doom amulet, cheap legendary ring and a devourer maul of potency.

I only posses one superior blood gem in my equipment.

Today I went 1 vs 1 with an Arcane Mage (by this I mean weapon and samael, but its safe to assume he has all mythic gear too) by the name of Conradev.

This guy was no slouch yet I won (not easily but won). Now this is just me with the setup and equipment I mentioned above.

Now imagine one of those pesky Maul(or Glaive) warriors with Samael AND running 5 skills.

There's just no chance for other classes,

[Solid]

Id like to add a personal experience from today.

I'm running with SS,Jugg,Horn and VB using a level 36 Abbaddon

I was Using upgraded mythic armor,helm, doom amulet, cheap legendary ring and a devourer maul of potency.

I only posses one superior blood gem in my equipment.

Today I went 1 vs 1 with an Arcane Mage (by this I mean weapon and samael, but its safe to assume he has all mythic gear too) by the name of Conradev.

This guy was no slouch yet I won (not easily but won). Now this is just me with the setup and equipment I mentioned above.

Now imagine one of those pesky Maul(or Glaive) warriors with Samael AND running 5 skills.

There's just no chance for other classes,

Yes, Cero stated in my 4 skills thread that the use of 5/6 skills compensated for his lack of gear.

[Instanthumor]

Yes, Cero stated in my 4 skills thread that the use of 5/6 skills compensated for his lack of gear.

What does that have anything to do with anything. Fauksuras is merely sharing his experiences and thinks that either tanks are too OP or mages are too underpowered.

[Solid]

What does that have anything to do with anything. Fauksuras is merely sharing his experiences and thinks that either tanks are too OP or mages are too underpowered.

Pretty sure a kershal can best a Dev maul........

[lethaljade]

I hope you realize that Arry uses 5 skills lmao...
Arry doesnt use 5 skills to kill rouges he uses a stun spec, the only time he uses 5 skills is if hes fighting somone with 5 skills, or a tank. Where as instant you use 5 skills for absolutely everything, id like to see you fight a rouge with 4 skills ,I really would.

[Ravager]

Dont see why everyone's debating about 5 skills, ctf is pointless now , you can't even kill people, or you get the whole "why me" speech, or the whole I just flag please, its irritating, you cant kill flaggers, you cant kill people unlees they attack you, and if you do your own thing and kill whoever, they call there whole guild to gang you. I say have as many skills as you want its rare you find a game where your "allowed" to kill someone, its so silly.

Kill the flagger. If the group up and gang you, good work. You've turned the dull flag room where people are falling asleep in the middle of the room into a fight room. Now call for backup and play evasively till then. Most cops won't rush in until backup arrives. You do the same.

[Instanthumor]

Arry doesnt use 5 skills to kill rouges he uses a stun spec, the only time he uses 5 skills is if hes fighting somone with 5 skills, or a tank. Where as instant you use 5 skills for absolutely everything, id like to see you fight a rouge with 4 skills ,I really would.

Actually, I do not use 5 skills for everything. I only use 5 skills against arcane staff mages, good rogues, or arrogant people. If you would like to see me kill a rogue with 4 skills, I would be more than happy to show you. It isn't very hard at all (unless they have Sam or mythic daggers). I really don't like it when people are so quick to assumptions and accusations. Hmmm, reminds me of (a few individuals of) the rogue class. What a coincidence!

[lethaljade]

Actually, I do not use 5 skills for everything. I only use 5 skills against arcane staff mages, good rogues, or arrogant people. If you would like to see me kill a rogue with 4 skills, I would be more than happy to show you. It isn't very hard at all (unless they have Sam or mythic daggers). I really don't like it when people are so quick to assumptions and accusations. Hmmm, reminds me of (a few individuals of) the rogue class. What a coincidence!


Im not making an assumption ive simply never seen you use 4 skills, and ive seen you in pvp alot, just like ive never seen you take a second to stop and switch skills, which also completely baffles me, far as I was aware in order to switch skills you would have to take a second to remap them, but you just do them magically, Interesting.

[lethaljade]

Kill the flagger. If the group up and gang you, good work. You've turned the dull flag room where people are falling asleep in the middle of the room into a fight room. Now call for backup and play evasively till then. Most cops won't rush in until backup arrives. You do the same.

Oh I do that alot, but it kinder ends badly as keep calm chive on is a 2 people guild, backup isnt always available, especially when alot of people call 4 assisting tanks for 1 rouge, nice to see somone else plays ctf how it should be though, its alot more fun that way.

[Fauksuras]

It should, but didn't. Take that as you will. Fact is tanks can handle way too much damage due to juggernaut. In theory it should cancel out with bad damage output but clearly it doesn't.

If thay was me with a crappy devourer maul imagine somebody with Arcane Maul or Glaive. Then add the 5 skills hot key talked about here and you have a perfect storm of overpoweredness.

[Instanthumor]

Im not making an assumption ive simply never seen you use 4 skills, and ive seen you in pvp alot, just like ive never seen you take a second to stop and switch skills, which also completely baffles me, far as I was aware in order to switch skills you would have to take a second to remap them, but you just do them magically, Interesting.

I will prove to you that I don't use hotkeys, if that's what you are claiming I use. I will show you that I can uncharge a skill AND move at the same time, for that is not possible on pc. This is another false assumption you have thank you very much. It's not that interesting at all, and I have plenty who can vouch for me for not using hotkeys.

[zephyruh]

It should, but didn't. Take that as you will. Fact is tanks can handle way too much damage due to juggernaut. In theory it should cancel out with bad damage output but clearly it doesn't.

If thay was me with a crappy devourer maul imagine somebody with Arcane Maul or Glaive. Then add the 5 skills hot key talked about here and you have a perfect storm of overpoweredness.

Everyone knows Mages can't kill a warrior even with little knowledge of what they are doing. Go fight a rogue and tell us the outcome. And not just any rogue that uses viel and razor

[Fauksuras]

I have already many times. Outcome has been rogue running out of mana. Some less than honorable rogues have reduced themselves to spamming pet arcane ability (summon and dismiss) over and over to make up for this.

[Bless]

I have already many times. Outcome has been rogue running out of mana. Some less than honorable rogues have reduced themselves to spamming pet arcane ability (summon and dismiss) over and over to make up for this. ign?

[Roberto077]

I wonder what the view of an AL pvper would be if they were set into PL or SL pvp...

(PL 12 skills)
(SL 8 Mapped skills - 2 pages of 4)

[Endkey]

i agree..some warriors just stop in the middle of the fight and i am like o.O
but i guess they are those ones who use mobiles

[lethaljade]

I will prove to you that I don't use hotkeys, if that's what you are claiming I use. I will show you that I can uncharge a skill AND move at the same time, for that is not possible on pc. This is another false assumption you have thank you very much. It's not that interesting at all, and I have plenty who can vouch for me for not using hotkeys.
Who mentioned hotkeys, awfuly paranoid for somone who doesn't use them.

[Fauksuras]

Fauksuras

[Instanthumor]

Who mentioned hotkeys, awfuly paranoid for somone who doesn't use them.


just like ive never seen you take a second to stop and switch skills, which also completely baffles me, far as I was aware in order to switch skills you would have to take a second to remap them, but you just do them magically, Interesting.

This says it all.

[Endkey]

hotkeys or manually changing skills..doesnt matter..both do the same things which this thread is against..

[Daddyblu]

hotkeys or manually changing skills..doesnt matter..both do the same things which this thread is against..

Well hotkeys are faster than manual..

If you in the middle of a clash i think its not wise to change skills if your using Manual.

[TheReturn]

I say keep it like this, I don't want to be op like I was in pocket legends. I use 4 skills and fighting people with 5 skills is what it do ya know? It is what it is it aint broke no nuthin, keep it for the hardcore pvpers

[Bless]

I say keep it like this, I don't want to be op like I was in pocket legends. I use 4 skills and fighting people with 5 skills is what it do ya know? It is what it is it aint broke no nuthin, keep it for the hardcore pvpers Some hardcore rogues would like to use 5 skills to ya know.

[Azepeiete]

Can we just eliminate warriors from the game? Plz

[Haligali]

I only use 5 skills against arcane staff mages, good rogues, or arrogant people.

Wow, so you use 5 skills against people who doesnt use this kind of abuse.

[Solid]

Wow, so you use 5 skills against people who doesnt use this kind of abuse.

#Preach

[Instanthumor]

Wow, so you use 5 skills against people who doesnt use this kind of abuse.

Excuse me, but is there a problem with that? If you do have a problem with me using 5 skills, just don't stay in the same 1v1 room as me. It's no big deal.

[falmear]

Excuse me, but is there a problem with that? If you do have a problem with me using 5 skills, just don't stay in the same 1v1 room as me. It's no big deal.

I think one issue is its seen as unfair by those who aren't using 5 skill and/or aren't aware that you are using 5 skills mid combat. Basically I could do something similar, and I am pretty sure its been used against me. I was in a 2v2 match, and we killed the other team. And one person on the other team said their team mate went busy during the fight wondering what happened. My response was that they were probably switching skills. Whether its true or not I don't know because the person on the opposing team never responded to this. And its hard to imagine why they would end up bring the menu up mid match. I think if you are up front about it before the match starts its fair because it gives the opportunity either not fight you or use 5 skills themselves or ask you to fight them with just 4 skills. My issue is that I never start out a match using lifegiver, and I will fast switch at the end of fighting to give mana to my team. So if the skills screen is locked basically the people who will lose out will be those who depend on me to give them mana because I won't bother to spec lifegiver. Sometimes the time between fights is very short so even a small "cool down" will negatively impact me. Or won't stop people from using 5 skills because if you replace shield with life giver during 2 seconds of invulnerability, the the "cool down" needs to be around 10 seconds. Because you won't need to use life giver probably for like 5 or 6 seconds. Like I stated before if you want to lock mages into 4 skills, then you need to change the way our skills work, boost damage and health. I have seen rogues with mythic daggers specing 4k health. I can match them in health but not in damage reduction, and in healing. So I hope STS takes this issue very seriously and makes some careful decisions about this. Given the history of this game I am not confident in their ability to do so.

[TheReturn]

Falmear you can pm me if you want the skill spec of TheReturn. Yea warriors are tough, they last one second longer as to that it takes for me to beat a rogue, and it takes me about 4 seconds, so 5 seconds give or take for me to lay a warrior flat on the back. Im always willing to help out my fellow mage players ya feel me

[Endkey]

The new event of 1v1s between people has only 4 skills allowed :) according to that the STS also thinks that 4 skills should be used...