Armor Nerf in today's update

[krazii]

Did you notice, armor values nerfed again, nothing in update description. Devs, was this intentional? Please say not.

[FluffNStuff]

They fix the voodoo armor?

[Lesrider]

Was it all armor or just rift? I haven't had the chance to look at all my chars.

[FluffNStuff]

Omg it is really bad. Cosmos now has LESS armor then fate!

[Lesrider]

Omg it is really bad. Cosmos now has LESS armor then fate!

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that and go crawl under a rock till this is fixed.

[Kossi]

hmmm i should check this out...

[Zeus]

Ok this is not right, bears were terribly nerfed already to the point where any class basically can beat them in pvp, and I am fully decked and have long time pvp experience, but now its nerfed even more? This is really a lot to take in... Dev's need to get somebody who can watch the game carefully in pvp because that is what will determine how classes will be balanced... and then make updates according to that, because if you balance pvp, you balance pve, since the classes will be on a equal playing ground, provided the bosses are scaled up or down accordingly...

[Haikus]

Yeah fate gives +4 now compared to Cosmos. With full Cosmos on, with laser wand and gurgox eye, I had 86 armor. Now Haikus has 74 :(.

[FluffNStuff]

Either this is just a glitch, a work in progress or they are completely changing the game to Pocket Socialists, at which point all high level farming will cease.

[Bigsleazy]

Omg it is really bad. Cosmos now has LESS armor then fate!

Oh, good, because mages have it too easy right now. It's not like mages in the best gear in the game still have less armor than a level 35 bear. Oh wait...

[Lesrider]

Ok it's like an accident on the side of the road... I just had to take a look.

Metallic now has +4 armor over Cosmos. WTF???? These item changes always screw over the people who have worked hard for their "epic" loot, and making these changes without even mentioning them seems sneaky and underhanded. I'm sorry, but these uneven equipment changes are just lousy and unfair.

[Inching]

Omg it is really bad. Cosmos now has LESS armor then fate!

you take that back right now..

[Haikus]

Oniy reason I got cosmos was for that extra boost since I'm dual specced and it's look. Now it has less armor then common, crappy lvl 50 pinks. I'm guessing it's a mistake because if not. Is it even consired "l337" gear anymore?

[Pharcyde]

They said they were going to be dropping the armor amounts on gear to make room for new items. But I don't get why they are dropping them again and also way before the new items are even out...

[Bigsleazy]

Time to sell my cosmos and make a bird...

[Zeus]

I am seriously mad because of this update, I was able to swallow down the last two combat "rebalances" but this is too much, Dev's are literally taking the game's economy and gear into their own hands and changing it to their will. Honestly in my opinion, looking back at 1.4, 1.4 looks more balanced then ever...

[Inching]

they didnt post in the update because they dont want the same thread to happen like the first nerf update.... where the community all took up arms and complained....

Thank God I finished the last of my quests last night (yes I live in your future) so I am officially done with everything in PL.... all I have to do now is sell my pinks and purples and taking it easy... feel sory for the guys that still need to finish quests and level up as this nerf will make it 10X harder....

Look me up in game as I am officially only helping people now since Im dead bored.

[Kossi]

They said they were going to be dropping the armor amounts on gear to make room for new items. But I don't get why they are dropping them again and also way before the new items are even out...

whens the new campaign??

[Haikus]

Agreed. They WERE and still are taking a step in the right direction but seriously? The class with the lowest armor has there armor lowered on the BEST gear for a lvl 50 int character. Cmon! Get real.

[FluffNStuff]

Just omg pathetic. Looks like rift/cosmos and void are the new ~vanity~ items. Wish I woulda known so i coulda just spent 20 plat on em instead of all that time farming. Thanks PL, Thanks!

[Zeus]

There is a distinction between nerf and useless. Nerfing an item makes it still useful but tunes down the power of the item because it was over powered compared to a similar item of a different class. Now the elite gear... Especially cosmos, is well, useless...

[Lesrider]

I am seriously mad because of this update, I was able to swallow down the last two combat "rebalances" but this is too much, Dev's are literally taking the game's economy and gear into their own hands and changing it to their will. Honestly in my opinion, looking back at 1.4, 1.4 looks more balanced then ever...

Exactly. After every update, the economy is thrown into a fritz. If they want to add new items or change items, they need to be done evenly, so as not to mess up the equipment people already spent their time and money to acquire. This better be a mistake.

Already it's barely worth farming ao3 now bc of the nerf -- all the good loot is so common now that other than a few items, all can be bought for under $100k. Not worth spending all that time farming, especially if they make the rares worse than the common pinks. I'm just about done with this.

[Pharcyde]

Armor - All Armor items (with the exception of helmets and weapons that give armor bonuses) will now provide significantly less armor. As it currently stands, Torso Armor values just simply cannot go any higher. If I want to add more content in the future (which I do), we need to reduce the armor values across the board and create 'room' for better gear.

The differences in armor values for cloth, leather, chain and plate types are also lessened. Chain and Plate armor types still yield a lot more armor than Leather or Cloth but within a much smaller margin. In the current 'balance' the armor values for Plate go through the roof while the armor values for Cloth remain pretty lousy even at Level 50.

In this upcoming balance update, the values for all armor types will make a lot more sense :)

Maybe they are making the new "better" gears soon?.... I sure hope so...

Yeah right now the game seems more unbalanced than ever...

[Haikus]

Well, it doesn't make sense. "l337" supposedly rare pinks should have more ARMOR and better stats all around then a lousy pink item that drops every run.

[Lesrider]

Pharcyde, that's understandable if it were universal. But by lowering the armor on certain items more than others, that messes with the economy more than anything else. It just should not be done. Most of the fate/destiny/fortune items were a mistake to begin with, but making them equal to or better than cosmos/rift/void this late in the game is not the way to fix that. It just messes with the economy.

[Pharcyde]

Well, it doesn't make sense. "l337" supposedly rare pinks should have more ARMOR and better stats all around then a lousy pink item that drops every run.

Metalic robe was already better than cosmos robe before the rebalance. Now everything is better than cosmos...


Pharcyde, that's understandable if it were universal. But by lowering the armor on certain items more than others, that messes with the economy more than anything else. It just should not be done. Most of the fate/destiny/fortune items were a mistake to begin with, but making them equal to or better than cosmos/rift/void this late in the game is not the way to fix that. It just messes with the economy.

At this point what doesn't mess with the economy? I'm trying to remember what item it was but a Dev made a unofficial post about it and the price went through the roof.

[Kossi]

im neutral in this update

[Haikus]

Agreed Les. I only went int because it had that "juggling with death feel'. Now, I can't even play around with the grim reaper, just one touch and I'm out like a fat girl in a two-piece.

[Pharcyde]

im neutral in this update

Good, I'm just tagging along with it. Hopefully item prices absolutely crash and I can load up on them and then they fix gears.


Just one touch and I'm out like a fat girl in a two-piece.

I'm soo putting that in my sig.

[Ellyidol]

I think my rift set went from 134 armour to 118. Thats on a mage, unless I'm mistaken with the starting value with 126 str rest int.

[Demonicdevyn]

They said they were going to be dropping the armor amounts on gear to make room for new items. But I don't get why they are dropping them again and also way before the new items are even out...

Maybe the new goblin items?
that drop way to much

[FluffNStuff]

My cosmos Mage is now a sitting duck in ao3.

[Demonicdevyn]

On top mages own pvp now........
there heal skill heals twice the health they lose within the recharge time..
my freind a lv 19 pally took on three lvl 19 int bears and won 10-4

[Pharcyde]

I love the taste of revenge! Mages were the laughing stock of PVP for the longest time! Guess who's mopping the bears and birds across the floor now? MAGES! :D

[dirtball]

Many of you have said in the last few weeks that the recent update nerfed most of the bosses. Lesrider, I believe you said that Keeper is now easy schmeazy or something like that in one thread. I think most of the bosses are too easy. Keeper no longer does massive one hit damage so he's no problem. I was on a team that killed Overlord and it was only my second time fighting him. Each bought an armor pot and it took 2 minutes. He was put in the corner and never got out. Maybe the new armor ranges will help make it less of a certainty that the boss will die. I'm not in favor of losing the best armor to crud pinks, but if all are lowered than all bosses will be more difficult. Everyone freaked about the last update before this one, and most of us adjusted. Let's give the devs a chance.

[Pharcyde]

Agreed. Whoever said the devs were done with the rebalance? Obviously they are still tweaking it but right now the entire game is kinda messed up. It was more balanced before the rebalance...

[Lesrider]

Again, I have no problem with EVEN changes across the board. I don't like the way they keep playing with the equipment, making junk pinks the same or better than the rares (temporarily or permanently) that people have spent lots of time and money acquiring. The devs should put themselves in our shoes for a second and imagine how they would like that.

It's too late in the game to be messing with these items they way they are. If they want to introduce a new set of rares with different bonuses or whatnot, then fine. But don't make the junk pinks better than the rares!

And I'm all for them putting the bosses back the way they were before 1.5. There really is no point in farming now, bc the rares aren't even worth anything with the easy bosses.

[Pharcyde]

Again, I have no problem with EVEN changes across the board. I don't like the way they keep playing with the equipment, making junk pinks the same or better than the rares (temporarily or permanently) that people have spent lots of time and money acquiring. The devs should out themselves in our shoes for a second and imagine how they would like that.

It's too late in the game to be messing with these items they way they are. If they want to introduce a new set of rares with different bonuses or whatnot, then fine. But don't make the junk pinks better than the rares!

And I'm all for them putting the bosses back the way they were before 1.5. There really is no point in farming now, bc the rares aren't even worth anything with the easy bosses.

I think they changed item drop rates... I got all 4 of my valuable pinks before the rebalance. Now with the rebalance I havent gotten squat...

[Lesrider]

I think they changed item drop rates... I got all 4 of my valuable pinks before the rebalance. Now with the rebalance I havent gotten squat...

You're talking about today's rebalance or what? Cuz it's only been out for a couple of hours so you can't really tell...

[Inching]

no more farming... which means nothing to do

[Ellyidol]

I haven't been on much, did a few runs, but didn't notice the changes much.

Did the drop rate go down again? Armour changes were huge?

Idk, was still able to go through a lane in Captive map with my pally, thats rift though I'd like to know about the other sets.

[Lesrider]

Cosmos robe now has -4 armor from metallic robe.

[FluffNStuff]

Many of you have said in the last few weeks that the recent update nerfed most of the bosses. Lesrider, I believe you said that Keeper is now easy schmeazy or something like that in one thread. I think most of the bosses are too easy. Keeper no longer does massive one hit damage so he's no problem. I was on a team that killed Overlord and it was only my second time fighting him. Each bought an armor pot and it took 2 minutes. He was put in the corner and never got out. Maybe the new armor ranges will help make it less of a certainty that the boss will die. I'm not in favor of losing the best armor to crud pinks, but if all are lowered than all bosses will be more difficult. Everyone freaked about the last update before this one, and most of us adjusted. Let's give the devs a chance.

Bosses? With the new update, only boss that matters is the lore keeper since he drops ALL the epic pinks.

[Ellyidol]

Cosmos robe now has -4 armor from metallic robe.

Just the armour changed right? Nothing else stat wise?

It seems weird how they didn't put it with the patch notes nor a reply to confirm or such.

[Lesrider]

They never seem to put equipment changes into the patch notes. They wait until the community is in an uproar and 50 regulars quit before they explain themselves.

[FluffNStuff]

Just the armour changed right? Nothing else stat wise?

It seems weird how they didn't put it with the patch notes nor a reply to confirm or such.

Would love to find out it was testing and they left it in by accident, but I see no message of such from devs.

[Gaabob]

Keeper staff now has 4 ms and 4 hs. I just noticed that when I logged in, otherwise haven't looked at any more gear or such like.


Appears that all cosmo gear now has 4 ms and 4 hs, rift armor was nerfed 20(total- around 5 per piece), and armor for cosmo is nerfed ( my metallic robe is the same as before). No clue about void cause I don't really have any good void gear. Although the weapons and helms I do have appear to be the same.


I be's sad that my pally is nerfed- he used to be so much more mega awesome with rift set :(

[Ellyidol]

They never seem to put equipment changes into the patch notes. They wait until the community is in an uproar and 50 regulars quit before they explain themselves.

Only seen the patch note changes in 1.5, other than that I don't remember any armour changes, unless I missed some stuff.


Would love to find out it was testing and they left it in by accident, but I see no message of such from devs.

Same. Would be nice to see an explanation as to why the changes were made, and what were they exactly instead of trying to figure it out ourselves.

For all we know, there could be hidden changes not visible in the character stats too? =/

[Lesrider]

Well when they changed the mega blaster and Sunblessed bow (to give an example), we had to find out for ourselves in-game and then they eventually confirmed that it was staying that way (they had to still add the set bonus on).

I really wish they would stop making us guess at the changes, and make all the changes at once, giving a list of them.

[dirtball]

I can see this happening:

Best current sets get less armor but better crit, hit, damage increase, etc. than other sets. This way it levels the playing field a bit. Do you want the armor boost or the other stuff? Would make the choices for armor, helms, weps, not so obvious anymore. Makes mixing and matching items much more of a personal preference rather than a system based on who can afford the best stuff. Suddenly Destiny armor has relevance to all level 50 players. It has more armor but less crit, dodge, etc. I'm not saying this is what will happen but it definitely broadens the horizons down the road. Almost all pinks of the same level are worthwhile. Every character has multiple options of how they look in game based on the stats their particular combo of items gives them. Sucks that my rift gear may be less valuable now, but I see it working out for the better down the road.

Or I could be totally wrong and rift armor will sort of suck and we have to deal.

[Lesrider]

No, that is not the way to do it. They made a mistake with the fate/fortune/destiny items, and they're also very common compared to the cosmos/void/rift. They should not make the common one's as good as the rares. If anything, they should have left all the equipment the way it was and introduced a new rare set for int/str/dex that offers slightly different stats than the cosmos/void/rift. Leave the fate/destiny/fortune the way they were, and chalk it up to a mistake. Learn from the mistake for the next campaign and don't make junk pinks from the get go.

[Kalielle]

Les is right, the armor change for Cosmos Robe compared to Metallic Robe makes the least sense. I do hope it's just a mistake and will get changed back... Why make a rare drop that takes forever to farm be less good than a common one? Now no one will want to farm it, and there's not much in left to do in the game but farm once you're at the level cap... If people stop being excited over getting a rare, they're just gonna lose interest in the game. I've already had old-timer friends who have stopped playing because, they say, there is nothing to farm in this game anymore. Making rares worse than commons will not help that.

I love PL no matter what, but I do wish a little more thought and double-checking would be put into place when making such sweeping equipment changes. We've built our PL lives around it, and gear and the economy are as important to the game as the scenarios and campaigns are.

Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing the decision to make the rares only a little bit better than the commons. I think leveling the playing field is a good idea. But I think the rares still do need to be better, if only by just a bit, to keep the community interested in farming and wearing them.

Also, was it really necessary to nerf mage armor? The previous update finally made mages viable for the first time. They weren't overpowered, just finally on the same footing with birds and palas. I was so happy to be able to play a mage again. Finally we saw balanced teams in AO3 with some pure mages in them in addition to birds and tanks. I don't want to see the pre-update days come back, when all seasoned players were moving away from mages.

[Lesrider]

Looks like Destiny is also better than rift now, but I don't have enough of it to compare. And I can't bear to be in-game right now.

Anyone see the metallic robe going for 49k in the shop? This is the kind of thing that messes up the economy. I don't even know how many metallic robes I've sold for 800g.

Big big mistake. And I'm really sad about Chronn leaving over this. The only reason I play anymore is to farm with the friends I've made...

[Bigsleazy]

Imagine how you feel when you save up for over a month and spend 700k+ on full cosmos with keepers and wand to have it drop in price overnight...if they don't fix it wouldn't surprise me to see them be half as valuable In a few days

[smoae]

I'm just waiting out these screwy updates till we get new dudgeon at which pout hopefully they will have new gear.

[dirtball]

I'm not saying I like or dislike the changes yet. Haven't played since update. Just commenting that it seems the devs are going for a more level playing field and something like that would give it to them. When they originally made mages super powerful I was so happy, finally gonna play my mage again. Then within a day or two they nerfed them a bit, saw change immediately. Now their armor is nerfed and once again I have no desire to play my mage. Dying 3 times as much as bears and birds is no fun.

[Lesrider]

Imagine how you feel when you save up for over a month and spend 700k+ on full cosmos with keepers and wand to have it drop in price overnight...if they don't fix it wouldn't surprise me to see them be half as valuable In a few days

Yeah I paid 350k for a void wing last week and now theyre only 90k because the keeper is so easy to farm.

[Cinco]

Rift, Void and Cosmos armor nerfs were not intentional. :-|

Tomorrow's update will address this.

- Cinco

[Lesrider]

Rift, Void and Cosmos armor nerfs were not intentional. :-|

Tomorrow's update will address this.

- Cinco

Thank you for clearing that up!

[SgtOVERKILL]

Hmm not A lot of people have been too pleased with recent updates a guy not even a wk ago got to 50 and a couple days later decided to quit... I think it's dumb how common pinks are better than rare. Don't criticize might not be intentional. Mages can't survive as easily and die alot well atleast how I used mine. But I ended up deleting my mage because barely any armor my 24 bear almost has a s much. Anyways pocketlegends kept my attention for so long because of farming thats before update and now I'm hardly playing. It's a great game but is starting to lack the qualities of a game that keeps peoples attention.

[Lesrider]

Just one more thing, if you're still reading, Cinco.

I think any updates like this should be done while you guys are still around to fix any mistakes right away. And the patch notes should include detailed equipment changes so we all know what was intentional and what was a mistake that will be fixed. The same thing seems to happen with each update, all hell breaks loose and then we get an explanation after 50 people have already quit over it. Seems like it should be easily preventable.

[dirtball]

If the same thing happens every update then calm down, take a breath, relax, and calmly list what you've found has changed that you don't feel should have changed. The devs are very good at helping us all out. If they make a mistake they correct it, as will happen here.

[Kurlz]

ok, only read to page 4, but this...
"Originally Posted by Cinco
Armor - All Armor items (with the exception of helmets and weapons that give armor bonuses) will now provide significantly less armor. As it currently stands, Torso Armor values just simply cannot go any higher. If I want to add more content in the future (which I do), we need to reduce the armor values across the board and create 'room' for better gear.

The differences in armor values for cloth, leather, chain and plate types are also lessened. Chain and Plate armor types still yield a lot more armor than Leather or Cloth but within a much smaller margin. In the current 'balance' the armor values for Plate go through the roof while the armor values for Cloth remain pretty lousy even at Level 50.

In this upcoming balance update, the values for all armor types will make a lot more sense "

umm, how could torso armors NOT go any higher, just make the mobs in future levels hit harder. sime fix, without pissin people off.


side note, checked my bear, and Isis still has the same armor as yesterday.
didn't notice anything else cause today I was leveling my pally that I made last night.

[icantgetkills]

I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that and go crawl under a rock till this is fixed.


OMG NO WAY I'd rarther have fate now gives more armour its like not even as bad... FML

[Riccits]

Rift, Void and Cosmos armor nerfs were not intentional. :-|

Tomorrow's update will address this.

- Cinco

Why u never post the nerf of items?

[Superzarop]

The armor nerf was not intentional, it means that they didnt mean for it to happen and therefore it was not included in the notes.

[Ellyidol]

I'm curious how unintentional changes like these can happen. If they didn't alter or change armour scripts or such in the first place, how did they get changed? Just curious really, not implying anything.

[Lesrider]

Elly, I was wondering the same.

But my main issue, as stated above, is that they release these updates in the evening and then disappear, wreaking havoc with any mistakes they made. Updates should only be released early enough in the day for them to fix any mistakes they made. This is not the first time they've updated the game, caused a riot, and had to explain the next day. That's not the best way to do it when you have people playing round the clock.

[Ellyidol]

Elly, I was wondering the same.

But my main issue, as stated above, is that they release these updates in the evening and then disappear, wreaking havoc with any mistakes they made. Updates should only be released early enough in the day for them to fix any mistakes they made. This is not the first time they've updated the game, caused a riot, and had to explain the next day. That's not the best way to do it when you have people playing round the clock.

Fair enough. I can't tell since I'm on a far far off timezone (Sydney). So updates usually happen in the morning for me when I just get up, or in the wee hours of the morning.

[j46g629h]

Elly, I was wondering the same.

But my main issue, as stated above, is that they release these updates in the evening and then disappear, wreaking havoc with any mistakes they made. Updates should only be released early enough in the day for them to fix any mistakes they made. This is not the first time they've updated the game, caused a riot, and had to explain the next day. That's not the best way to do it when you have people playing round the clock.


Agree,

I don't mind if they acknowledge there is a mistake after any update released rather than just say it in chatbox

and clearly explanation with each update

[Jsaieagle]

I believe some people did lower the price of rift items.... poor them

[Lesrider]

Eh, buying/selling anything right after an update is a risk.

[Balonia]

Ok it's like an accident on the side of the road... I just had to take a look.

Metallic now has +4 armor over Cosmos. WTF???? These item changes always screw over the people who have worked hard for their "epic" loot, and making these changes without even mentioning them seems sneaky and underhanded. I'm sorry, but these uneven equipment changes are just lousy and unfair.
I hate it for you, I really do. But I must say, when I gave you that cosmos helm, what did I say about Metalic? Lol almost like I saw in a crystal ball. Wearing metallic and sticking to it!

[Lesrider]

Lol Balonia too funny. Your rags turned to riches after all ;)

[krazii]

Rift, Void and Cosmos armor nerfs were not intentional. :-|

Tomorrow's update will address this.

- Cinco

Thanks for clearing that up Cinco, looking forward (I hope) to the update. BTW, do you guys ever ask or poll any players before making changes, seems like there's a large community out here that could be beneficial in helping you adjust some stuff. Why not use the resource? (If you don't already).

Thanks,

Krazii

[Balonia]

Well, looks like I'm only queen for one day! But I'll be the baddest dang queen ever!!! I'm going to solo overlord right now. No pots.

[Lesrider]

Lol let me know how that works out for you. ;)

[Torrentula81]

Im seeking all my 50 pinks and not giving a a darn anymore. Ill stick with cheap 3k pieces.

[FluffNStuff]

Thanks for clearing that up Cinco, looking forward (I hope) to the update. BTW, do you guys ever ask or poll any players before making changes, seems like there's a large community out here that could be beneficial in helping you adjust some stuff. Why not use the resource? (If you don't already).

Thanks,

Krazii

Some of the changes are necessary for future growth of the game that are going to inevitably irritate current players, so that would not work.

[Lesrider]

Some of the changes are necessary for future growth of the game that are going to inevitably irritate current players, so that would not work.

It would if they were to ask simple things like "Do you find the bosses in ao3 too hard?" (could have asked before they Nerfed them)
Or, "Do you want the common ao3 pinks to be similar to the rare pinks?"

Things like this I think would be good to ask the community as a whole, bc it seems like they changed things based off of athe complaints of a few.

[krazii]

Some of the changes are necessary for future growth of the game that are going to inevitably irritate current players, so that would not work.

Not sure I understand what you mean. I'm not saying that all changes have to be good. There are some things now that need changing (A03 bosess tougher, mini bosses tougher, bears more melee dmg, mages too much armor). I just think the Dev's would benefit from asking players what they think.

[addiekai]

I have a cosmos set sitting in my stash...

I'm not even sure I want to use them... :(