Arcane maul now weaker than legend clamore.....

[Bret Corey]

In no way should a legend weapon be stronger than arcane...

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?150679-Major-damage-bug-on-warrior-gear

[Kakashis]

lol arcane weapons... I used to be a hooks user but for this very reason of Arcane weapons getting outdated without a process for continual upgrade, I put my money into an arcane pet instead. Sts did say that someday they may allow you to fuse shards to upgrade your weapons

hooks were the same price of a hammerjaw at some point, maul could someday be the same price as a glacian. Catching the trend?

[Crowsfoot]

One word: proc

[supersyan]

Maul and hooks was supreme once. not anymore. Maul already passed its prime. its already 1 year old.(released last year April).

[Zylx]

You cant expect anything to last forever. Unless you're a future-shocked caveman with no mental grasp on the fundamentals of technology.

[Zeus]

The skill damage means that the magmatic sword will hit harder when you are using skills. However, when using auto attack, the maul will still hit harder.

Here is the balancing factor:
• increased heal
• increased health
• increased auto damage
• overpowered proc

This makes one pretty equal to each other and that's the way it's supposed to be. An arcane is only supposed to be better than the best legendary for 3 seasons. Right now, the maul is just barely better and is still the better weapon in multi target combat.

[supersyan]

And maul built with stone and metal. magma blade built with magma. Magma > metal

[Kakashis]

Hehe adding to this, the mythic 36 daggers blew the hooks out of the water even after they had a slight buff. One can be certain that the mythic 41 weapons will destroy the maul and it won't be close. I'm planning on buying a maul when they fall to hooks price and just keep for collections sake. One of the best looking items in the game

[Drearivev]

The skill damage means that the magmatic sword will hit harder when you are using skills. However, when using auto attack, the maul will still hit harder.

Here is the balancing factor:
• increased heal
• increased health
• increased auto damage
• overpowered proc

This makes one pretty equal to each other and that's the way it's supposed to be. An arcane is only supposed to be better than the best legendary for 3 seasons. Right now, the maul is just barely better and is still the better weapon in multi target combat.
3 season including the one it was released on, right?


Hehe adding to this, the mythic 36 daggers blew the hooks out of the water even after they had a slight buff. One can be certain that the mythic 41 weapons will destroy the maul and it won't be close. I'm planning on buying a maul when they fall to hooks price and just keep for collections sake. One of the best looking items in the game
Lol, you're comparing a lvl 26 Arcane weapon VS a lvl 36 Mythic weapon. Obviously a lvl 36 MYTHIC will be better than an Arcane item that's 10 lvls lower than it.

[Bless]

The skill damage means that the magmatic sword will hit harder when you are using skills. However, when using auto attack, the maul will still hit harder.

Here is the balancing factor:
• increased heal
• increased health
• increased auto damage
• overpowered proc

This makes one pretty equal to each other and that's the way it's supposed to be. An arcane is only supposed to be better than the best legendary for 3 seasons. Right now, the maul is just barely better and is still the better weapon in multi target combat. By that logic, an aimed shot with a L30 bow should hit harder than a L41 bow. The maul has 200 more damage, yet the other hits harder.

Bug? Imo yes.

[Zeus]

By that logic, an aimed shot with a L30 bow should hit harder than a L41 bow. The maul has 200 more damage, yet the other hits harder.

Bug? Imo yes.

Uh what? I don't think you understood what I was saying.

A L30 bow would have lower skill damage than a L41 bow, so how in the world will it have a higher aimed shot? This "issue" was in PL as well if you recall. Some weapons have way high auto attack damage, but the trade off is lower skill damage.

Right now, mythic daggers have lower skill damage than an expedition bow of potency so the expedition bow actually can hit a lot harder than the mythic daggers. However, do you see me complaining? No. Why? The proc is still more useful as is the other stats.

Likewise, the maul still gives you higher strength stats, higher heal, higher auto attack damage as well as an amazing proc. The sword only hits harder on skills and most warriors only have 1-2 attack skills. So, is the sword really hitting harder? No. Is it doing more DPS? Possibly.

[Crowsfoot]

All I'm saying is that unless the new Mythic warrior weapon is a shield, it will be the best weapon for a level41 warrior. That glaive is already challenging enough for it.

[Bless]

Uh what? I don't think you understood what I was saying.

A L30 bow would have lower skill damage than a L41 bow, so how in the world will it have a higher aimed shot? Thats what is happening with maul and the magmatic blade. The maul has higher stat damage than the magmatic blade but it does lower skill damage. So a CS from a maul user would be weaker than a magmatic sword user. This "issue" was in PL as well if you recall. Some weapons have way high auto attack damage, but the trade off is lower skill damage.

Right now, mythic daggers have lower skill damage than an expedition bow of potency so the expedition bow actually can hit a lot harder than the mythic daggers. However, do you see me complaining? No. Why? The proc is still more useful as is the other stats.

Likewise, the maul still gives you higher strength stats, higher heal, higher auto attack damage as well as an amazing proc. The sword only hits harder on skills and most warriors only have 1-2 attack skills. So, is the sword really hitting harder? No. Is it doing more DPS? Possibly.

Auto attack is determined by dps.

I think you misundertood the actual issue here. The maul gives the user 200 more stat damage than the Magmatic blade. The magmatic blade has more skill damage than the maul, even though it has 200 lower stat damage. Increased stat damage -> Increased skill damage, is it not? If it is, then the Magmatic blade is glitched.

The expedition bow is doing more damage on an aimshot, as it has a HIGHER stat damage (11 dmg higher if im correct) than the mythic daggers.

[Ebezaanec]

Auto attack is determined by dps.

I think you misundertood the actual issue here. The maul gives the user 200 more stat damage than the Magmatic blade. The magmatic blade has more skill damage than the maul, even though it has 200 lower stat damage. Increased stat damage -> Increased skill damage, is it not? If it is, then the Magmatic blade is glitched.

The expedition bow is doing more damage on an aimshot, as it has a HIGHER stat damage (11 dmg higher if im correct) than the mythic daggers.

Well, you are not comparing apples to apples.. The expedition bow is not the same type of wep as the mythic daggers..

Bows hit hard.. Daggers hit faster

[Zeus]

Auto attack is determined by dps.

I think you misundertood the actual issue here. The maul gives the user 200 more stat damage than the Magmatic blade. The magmatic blade has more skill damage than the maul, even though it has 200 lower stat damage. Increased stat damage -> Increased skill damage, is it not? If it is, then the Magmatic blade is glitched.

The expedition bow is doing more damage on an aimshot, as it has a HIGHER stat damage (11 dmg higher if im correct) than the mythic daggers.

Auto attack is not determined by DPS. DPS is an inaccurate stat which you should not really pay any attention too. Why? It assumes the opponent has NO defense.

Increased stat damage does not mean increased skill damage. Well, it does generally but it is also more classified then that. Mauls generally will have lower skill damage then a comparable sword, which is why it gets higher attack damage.

This is something ported over from PL in all legend titles.

[Fauksuras]

IIRC, DPS stat doesn't necessarily mean explicit auto attack damage, its just an attack speed measurement.


If anything warriors are now going through what rogues went through and what mages went through when (they said, anyway) the orbital staff turned out better than Kershal.

[ancestor]

Who Cares... Just Have Fun :)

[Zeus]

Who Cares... Just Have Fun :)

To some, the weapon they use is a portion of the fun. If the maul is not as effective as they thought it was, they're not having as much fun now, are they? In order to have fun again, they'll want to pick up an effective weapon.

As of right now, IMO, it has come down to playstyle. Are you more aggressive? Pick sword. Are you more tanky? Pick maul.

[Cero]

One word: proc

This and nothing else.
I've clashed many times against maulers....owned by proc-_-

[Zeus]

This and nothing else.
I've clashed many times against maulers....owned by proc-_-

Yes, but in 1v1s, I'm more scared of that Magmatic sword than any other weapon, lol.

[Doomreaper]

All I'm saying is that unless the new Mythic warrior weapon is a shield, it will be the best weapon for a level41 warrior. That glaive is already challenging enough for it.

If it is another shield I am going to cry


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[ancestor]

To some, the weapon they use is a portion of the fun. If the maul is not as effective as they thought it was, they're not having as much fun now, are they? In order to have fun again, they'll want to pick up an effective weapon.

As of right now, IMO, it has come down to playstyle. Are you more aggressive? Pick sword. Are you more tanky? Pick maul.

You Dont Have To Have A Maul, Any Legendary Will Do, It Might Seem Hard To Believe But You Dont Need Millions To Have Fun Im A Game.

[Cero]

You Dont Have To Have A Maul, Any Legendary Will Do, It Might Seem Hard To Believe But You Dont Need Millions To Have Fun Im A Game.


Yes i agree but that isnt the point here.
Maul is still greater than any legendary weapon because of the proc aoe stun that can change the game flow.
Those legendaries are still good but maul is better when it comes to clashes in pvp or pve.
The proc is what makes it better for a group fight or controlling crowds in pve.

[Zeus]

You Dont Have To Have A Maul, Any Legendary Will Do, It Might Seem Hard To Believe But You Dont Need Millions To Have Fun Im A Game.

I'm not saying you do, but to some, having millions and having super gear is the entire point of having fun in the game. That's why they gear themselves out!

[Xeusx]

You Dont Have To Have A Maul, Any Legendary Will Do, It Might Seem Hard To Believe But You Dont Need Millions To Have Fun Im A Game.
*sigh*
Troll?
Enough for those off topic
Maul is the 1st most great weapon for warrior, magmatic is the 2nd, why? Maul have great proc and magmatic too, look like they are almost same weapon.., so are you need millions to have fun? No.

[Sceazikua]

Auto attack is not determined by DPS. DPS is an inaccurate stat which you should not really pay any attention too. Why? It assumes the opponent has NO defense.

Increased stat damage does not mean increased skill damage. Well, it does generally but it is also more classified then that. Mauls generally will have lower skill damage then a comparable sword, which is why it gets higher attack damage.

This is something ported over from PL in all legend titles.

Yea Ive seen 1v1's about rogue vs mauler, and each swing of the mauler took almost 1/5 hp not counting skill lol.

[eugene9707]

Lets not forget about the itemization thing
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?133446-Discussion-New-Itemization-System-Coming-in-the-Next-Expansion

there will be better legendary weapons coming lol

and if the ones now is close to maul .... gl lol

[Serancha]

The fact remains that, bugs aside, an arcane weapon from 10 levels ago should not be surpassing the new weapons in all aspects.

[Energizeric]

The fact remains that, bugs aside, an arcane weapon from 10 levels ago should not be surpassing the new weapons in all aspects.

Agreed! I just really wish they would make the stats page correct. I'm tired of all these issues. How is one to accurately judge which gear is best? Must I actually purchase each and every item, and spend time testing and plotting the data on an excel sheet? Really?

I don't really care which items are better and how they calculate damage and other things, but the stat page MUST accurately reflect what is going on or else there is no way for players to know how useful our gear is.