Panic Immunity

[Alhuntrazeck]

Hey folks,

This season, it has become almost imperative for a team to have above 3-4 samaels, because of the OP panic on AA and passive attack. With a team of 5 samaels, the opponents can potentially be stunlocked for a very long period of time.

To reduce the overpoweredness and must-haveness of Samael, I think Panic Immunity should be implemented. It needn't be as high as stun immunity (7 seconds) - 5 seconds is perfectly reasonable. While not voiding a team of 5 samaels, it doesn't make it imperative to have them.

Instead of being stunned for 5*2+fireball=12 seconds (ignoring the passive panic) with a team of 5 samaels, where the first samael is ready to use after another 10 seconds and the cycle is repeated, this could potentially make PvP have much more scope for the people without Samael, and underrated pets like Grimm with its insane debuffs could be towed into the limelight.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Edited the post to make it more clear, since pet spamming will already be fixed.

[Hoardseeker]

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[keikali]

lol@pvp

[Int]

Another thread about pet spamming >_>, Devs already confirmed they will fix it

[Sceazikua]

When new client came will scorch's shield's cooldown be removed?

[Alhuntrazeck]

Pet spamming yes, stacking 5 sams, no...

[Hoardseeker]

Pet spamming yes, stacking 5 sams, no...

You mean there must be only 1Sam in other side?

Don't make me speak harsh...

[Prahasit Prahi]

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He's not speaking about pet spamming,please read carefully.

[Xenobiotic]

You mean there must be only 1Sam in other side?

Don't make me speak harsh...

Well what's the fun with you being stunnned 24/7 in a clash?

[Alhuntrazeck]

You mean there must be only 1Sam in other side?

Don't make me speak harsh...

Oh, go on, by all means speak harsh. Sigh. I never said there MUST be only 1 sam, just that it won't be imperative to have 5 sams to win.

[Anyona]

I think panic immunity will be great, being stun locked as a rogue/mage =death

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[Froxanthar]

Agree

[Bullox]

Panic Immunity? ......absolute YES!!!!!! it's needed since a long time!

[Xeusx]

+1! I getting so bored with the panics from Sam in tdm last time :/

[Giuewek]

Yess +1

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[softbone]

I totally agree with this suggestion and I also mentioned this before, this is the main key in pet spamming:
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?148982-How-to-permanently-end-problems-in-pvp&p=1594206#post1594206

[Madnex]

Even after pet spamming is fixed, this issue will remain as there is no immunity to panic/terrify.


Never understood why my rogue has to look like Arlor Messenger when clashing against more than two samael users.

[Alhuntrazeck]

Even after pet spamming is fixed, this issue will remain as there is no immunity to panic/terrify.


Never understood why my rogue has to look like Arlor Messenger when clashing against more than two samael users.
Off-topic, I like hiding inside the barrel. The Arlor Messenger then starts picking my hairless head for fleas! O_O

[Serancha]

I'd like to see Samael removed from PVP totally. It's so OP that players without it have very little chance when facing groups of players all sammed-up. I recently broke down and bought Sam just to remain competitive. After seeing the insane difference it makes to survival in pvp, it's clear that this pet is often replacing the need for actual skill and technique. This means that PVP is now just a place where those with the most money win (see also: arcane ring), rather than a skilled part of the game, like it should be.

But back on topic, at the very least, panic should be treated as a stun, with the appropriate immunity in place. Also agree this is not a pet spamming issue.

[raw]

I agree with the OP 1000000%. When I clash usually both teams have 4 Samaels and possibly a misty or singe. So there's constant panic, especially since the pet has both passive and arcane ability panic.

There are already immunities on stun and snare (crawly), so why not panic?

I really think that if this were to happen it would create a lot more balance to the arcane pets currently in existence in terms of their usefulness in clashes. We'd only need maybe 2 Samaels total per team and probably grim, singe, etc.

It would allow prices to become more equivalent rather than Sam selling for 25m while Glacian sells for a mere 8m.

And agreed the spamming issue needs to go and this new client update has been coming for far too long now. I know many players are simply quitting CTF clashes just because of how ridiculous they are.

Implement a panic immunity and it'll be the best thing STG has done for CTF since implementing the bubbles.


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[Hoardseeker]

Indeed get 5Sams on your side too.

[Alhuntrazeck]

Indeed get 5Sams on your side too.
That's like saying "oh dear me, the other side has a pet spammer...let's pet spam too!"

Think about the people who don't have Sam.

[Haligali]

However i agree, but it was answered a while ago: panic immunity will effect the price of these exclusive pets, so it will not happen.

[Alhuntrazeck]

However i agree, but it was answered a while ago: panic immunity will effect the price of these exclusive pets, so it will not happen.

Imo prices should be affected a little. I remember Samael being 15m merch price last season, and now its 25 or so? A good stable price would be around 15m.

Look at non-panic pets like Glacian or HJ. Heck, look at Singe. IMO these other pets should also be given some importance, as well as the other non-arcane pets

[Hoardseeker]

If you dont spend in Sam, Only you're going to be affected, go Get a Sam , If you spend in Sam, You ALSO will get the advantage :)

[Anyona]

If you dont spend in Sam, Only you're going to be affected, go Get a Sam , If you spend in Sam, You ALSO will get the advantage :)

It's easier said than done. Getting 25m for a pet takes a long time unless you open crates

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[Alhuntrazeck]

If you dont spend in Sam, Only you're going to be affected, go Get a Sam , If you spend in Sam, You ALSO will get the advantage :)

My point is it shouldn't be imperative to get Samael, like it is now - 5 Samael stuns, fireball, maul proc, and samael's passive stuns can easily turn the tide of a match.

Also, Samael won't be useless if panic immunity is added. One or two Samaels in a team will still be great - as it should, of course, be. The passive healing is pretty darn OP, better (or as good as) a mage's heal over time - and this heal over time is permanent! Also, the toxin and slowdown is BOSS.

Also, factoring in the rarity of the pet, I don't think we'd see Samael drop below 18m.

[Otahaanak]

+1 Al
Now if I join a PVP map and see 3-4 Sams I know I'm going to get panicked to death so I just leave.

[Maalice]

I feel that the only people that complain about sam are the ones that dont have him. The whole basis of this thread could be extended to those whom pvp without mythics vs those with. If you dont have equal gear dont pvp, or find a more even game. Mages need stun and a pet with panic to stand up against other classes. We r just to squishy. Plus there are other pets that are fsr cheaper that you can buy instead of sam. For example slag. Before i had sam i had slag, and i almost feel like he paniced just as much as or more so than sam does.

[Bless]

Samael = pro

[Alhuntrazeck]

I feel that the only people that complain about sam are the ones that dont have him. The whole basis of this thread could be extended to those whom pvp without mythics vs those with. If you dont have equal gear dont pvp, or find a more even game. Mages need stun and a pet with panic to stand up against other classes. We r just to squishy. Plus there are other pets that are fsr cheaper that you can buy instead of sam. For example slag. Before i had sam i had slag, and i almost feel like he paniced just as much as or more so than sam does.

Like 90% of PvP players have mythics; that is not the issue. The issue IS stacking 5 samael's panics. If you got 5 mages in a team, do they stun forever? No, because stun immunity applies. Likewise, a team of 5 samaels shouldn't be able to stunlock an opposite team for damn near forever. And in 1v1s, you can go ahead and stunlock because there isn't going to be anyone else's pet who starts the immunity, right?

Honestly, PvP is ruined right now. If you're lucky enough to get a clash, its chock-full of spotblocking, ganging, trash talking and other signs of immaturity. Also, 5 samaels is enough to screw up anyone's game - especially since mages dont have a stun immunity skill while the other classes do.

[Serancha]

Like 90% of PvP players have mythics; that is not the issue. The issue IS stacking 5 samael's panics. If you got 5 mages in a team, do they stun forever? No, because stun immunity applies. Likewise, a team of 5 samaels shouldn't be able to stunlock an opposite team for damn near forever. .[/B]

I am a Samael owner, and totally agree with this statement.

[suckyiknow]

I like this suggestion. No one likes being panicked forever

[Slywannas]

Why are you turning this into a ,,if you don't have Sam get Sam and stop complaining'' or a ,, These threads are made by people with no Sam's '' thing, that's not the issue here. The whole thread was based around panic immunity which I think is an awesome idea. Saying ,,get Sam if you don't have one'' makes you sound pretty elitist. 90% of AL players can't obtain him. Either because they can't open crates or because they simply don't have the knowledge to merch well enough to obtain one. So please do not try to make this thread into a pet-spamming, get Sam if you don't have it thread made by people that don't have Sam. And a question for you that have him: Can you recall a situation in pvp against a team of 5 sam's that you didn't get stun-locked to death at all? I think not. Heck even 2 or 3 are enough to stun lock pretty much everyone into death. Panic immunity is a must.

[Slywannas]

I'm also a Samael user and I want the panic immunity to be implemented. It's ridiculous how one pet can be such a gamechanger in PvP, even considering its rarity. The other Arcane pets have not had a similar effect.

And speaking of price, if Samael's influence on PvP would be curbed by panic immunity, the price of other Arcane pets would rise accordingly as then people would begin to truly reflect on how the other pets can influence the outcome of clashes. Then you will truly see strategy in the form of mixing and matching pets as well as team combinations. PvP at least becomes more cerebral than Samael AA spam.

This. ^

[Riptank]

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LMAO... This thread is mainly about having IMMUNITY to PANIC regardless what PET it is, simple as that. Perhaps we should analyse first before giving our thought. STUN has immunity but PANIC doesn't. YES they have different reaction when being struck by this ability, BUT WE all know that they both have THE SAME effect: WE CANT MOVE/DO ANY ACTION AT A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

CONCLUSION: I totally agree to GIVE IMMUNITY TO PANIC..

PS: SAMAEL IS OP end of topic, now back to PANIC TOPIC :)

Let us all give thanks to this thread so that STS may hear our thoughts.

Cheers

[Xeusx]

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Hoard, read it very carefully...
Al create this thread for making panic immunity because OF SAM's Passive. That passive are really op, its like panic spam!

[Alhuntrazeck]

Thanks for the support. :o



I'm also a Samael user and I want the panic immunity to be implemented. It's ridiculous how one pet can be such a gamechanger in PvP, even considering its rarity. The other Arcane pets have not had a similar effect.

And speaking of price, if Samael's influence on PvP would be curbed by panic immunity, the price of other Arcane pets would rise accordingly as then people would begin to truly reflect on how the other pets can influence the outcome of clashes. Then you will truly see strategy in the form of mixing and matching pets as well as team combinations. PvP at least becomes more cerebral than Samael AA spam.

Most arcane pets have fallen below 15m this season thanks to Samael; if panic immunity was applied, we could see these pets become more expensive; I can see Glacian rising in price, Singe definitely rising, Hammerjaw possibly making a comeback; maybe even whim could be used in clashes to, say, group the opponents together to make full use of that AoE; that is, the arcane pets definitely becoming more sought after rather than the SamaelSamaelSamael hype.

[Candylicks]

Please gang Al.

TY!

[Alhuntrazeck]

Please gang Al.

TY!
I'm allergic to Samael panic stacking :( pls anything but that!!

[Crowsfoot]

Even 1v1 Samael hs become ridiculously OP. I was in a match where I got 1 skill off and waited several seconds for the mage to kill me (he got three fireballs off). So, I just danced in place while Sammy slapped me up.

[Taejo]

I'd like to see Samael removed from PVP totally.

^ Virtual high-five for this. Then again, I'm that pariah who would like to see pets eliminated from PvP all together - like it was when PvP first came out. Since that will probably never happen, I am inclined to agree with Al on this suggestion.

[tharidom]

I would just say make a special twink money spender server so I dont get lvl 11 people with glacian hammerjaw or samael, theres no fun in a game were youre absolutely chanceless.(talking bout pvp idc about pve)

[tharidom]

Oh yeah and if u have plat buy misty she has the chance on removing knockouts/stun etc. Or jus try to stun ur enemy with crawly altough its a noobish pet:3

[Leonut]

Even 1v1 Samael hs become ridiculously OP. I was in a match where I got 1 skill off and waited several seconds for the mage to kill me (he got three fireballs off). So, I just danced in place while Sammy slapped me up.

How else is the mage suppose to win then. It's all about crowd control and stun for a mage. And mind you, to get that stun combo on you takes precise timing and skill.

[Madnex]

Even 1v1 Samael hs become ridiculously OP. I was in a match where I got 1 skill off and waited several seconds for the mage to kill me (he got three fireballs off). So, I just danced in place while Sammy slapped me up.
You're experienced enough crow, you should be able to notice the obvious workaround on sorcerer's deadliest tactic ATM; stunlock. :p
From my experience, it's all about surviving long enough conserving mana until the second hor then chopping up the shieldless bluebutt. :)

PvP would be altogether more skill-oriented without something as OP as samael. Skill as in ability to think and compile several tactics and combos with your own spells/skills, not rely on a panic to win. Seriously 1v1's nowadays are all about if stun pet works - if yours doesn't and the opponent's does, gf.

[Arachnophobik]

although i dont want them to remove pet spamming, i would like them to treat panic as a stun, or if not, at least have a few secs of immunity. pet spamming samael is quite good on elites. you get your money's worth XD. just my opinion though.