Bears are dead. They need help

[ProSophist]

Bears are utterly useless now.

Paladins stole their tanking roles. They can't dps a much as birds. Warriors section is always dead. These guys seriously need help, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even use bears. Nobody wants to play them anymore.

I remember when I first played this game a few months ago, the game seem to be plagued by bears. We need bears not to suck again.

[DawnInfinity]

Agreed, and I'm in the same position as you. Bears need to be revived, literally~

[Nightarcher]

Yes! I've been saying this too. I may not have a level 50 bear but they are super fun to play as in PVE for crowd control and I love having them around. Everybody doubts their abilities because nobody bothers to make good bears any more (except Tssrosalka).

[Militaryman]

I need this to happen soon... I am constantly dying in the middle room of vl... The birds are just running through whistling and twiddling their thumbs...

[Beanmachine]

Guys i know all of us dislike the bears being nerfed but instead of repeating similar threads, we need to think of a solution ;)

[Pharcyde]

Solution = Bears sacrifice a small amount of armor in return for damage x2 of sacrifice. New spells such as charge would also increase effectiveness, or a spell that automatically switches aggro back to the bear.

Bears still got Beckon, no paladin can do the all mighty becon.

[icantgetkills]

I have all 3 I used my bear 24/7 I loved him then suddenly bang its useless.... Now I use my dex bird >.< and I'd love to play as my bear again

[KingFu]

Cinco said in chat box that a slight solution may be to have iron blood give a little less armor, but to steal some armor from the opponent, sounds like a start:)

[Pharcyde]

Cinco said in chat box that a slight solution may be to have iron blood give a little less armor, but to steal some armor from the opponent, sounds like a start:)

Do we really need to give bears more armor? Solution is to take a small amount of armor from them, but replace it x2 with damage. Hell in PvP pure Str bears survive taking aggro from 3 people for a good 10 seconds. It also leaves everyone useless with no buffs/cooling down, so bears still pwn in group PvP.

[KingFu]

Do we really need to give bears more armor? Solution is to take a small amount of armor from them, but replace it x2 with damage. Hell in PvP pure Str bears survive taking aggro from 3 people for a good 10 seconds. It also leaves everyone useless with no buffs/cooling down, so bears still pwn in group PvP.

Me Fab and Jolly (ajeje) work together, we work pretty well. We call ourselves the dream team:p having a bear on a pvp team isn't a bad idea, especially one as good as fab. They're not bad, but most people don't know how to play them.

[Pharcyde]

Me Fab and Jolly (ajeje) work together, we work pretty well. We call ourselves the dream team:p having a bear on a pvp team isn't a bad idea, especially one as good as fab. They're not bad, but most people don't know how to play them.

Only problem I see with them is its easy to kill steal them. Thus the injection of steroids will save the bear :D. Def though! I do love that bears cast nonstop high criticals; weapon wise once they do get ahold of birdies and magies.

[KingFu]

Only problem I see with them is its easy to kill steal them. Thus the injection of steroids will save the bear :D. Def though! I do love that bears cast nonstop high criticals; weapon wise once they do get ahold of birdies and magies.

Fab gets a lot of kills for a bear, but still not a ton. He gets a lot of kills for a bear, but overall, he gets about average. Bears really help in a party though. With he'll scream, terror combo makes the enemy/enemies so squishy. I really like my int bear, very fun, and pretty good. :)

[icantgetkills]

Fab gets a lot of kills for a bear, but still not a ton. He gets a lot of kills for a bear, but overall, he gets about average. Bears really help in a party though. With he'll scream, terror combo makes the enemy/enemies so squishy. I really like my int bear, very fun, and pretty good. :)

Bears need working taunt becon better iron blood a bit better they just need there tanking ability back lol

[Pharcyde]

Fab gets a lot of kills for a bear, but still not a ton. He gets a lot of kills for a bear, but overall, he gets about average. Bears really help in a party though. With he'll scream, terror combo makes the enemy/enemies so squishy. I really like my int bear, very fun, and pretty good. :)

Heheh I'll have to play with your int bear sometime.

[KingFu]

Heheh I'll have to play with your int bear sometime.

Helps not slow down the party, and has a pretty good chance of survivability. He has about 100 armor and 19 hs and 21 ms, I haven't tested tanking with him, I'm sure with a good Mage in the party he may be able to do it but I didn't make him to tank. I made him for fun, and to have a use for my bear:)

[Pharcyde]

Helps not slow down the party, and has a pretty good chance of survivability. He has about 100 armor and 19 hs and 21 ms, I haven't tested tanking with him, I'm sure with a good Mage in the party he may be able to do it but I didn't make him to tank. I made him for fun, and to have a use for my bear:)

Haha good mages are hard to find these days. Everyone is just button jammers now, which can actually be counter productive at times.

[KingFu]

Haha good mages are hard to find these days. Everyone is just button jammers now, which can actually be counter productive at times.

I think it's smarter to take your time and set up combo on bosses rather than mash buttons, I mean, its not like he's going anywhere.

[Pharcyde]

I think it's smarter to take your time and set up combo on bosses rather than mash buttons, I mean, its not like he's going anywhere.

Indeed, its likely the mage will switch aggro anyways, so why not inflict more damage while your at it. Funny since I started Pvping, my PvE effectiveness has increased greatly. PvP combos work great in dungeons too.

[KingFu]

Indeed, its likely the mage will switch aggro anyways, so why not inflict more damage while your at it. Funny since I started Pvping, my PvE effectiveness has increased greatly. PvP combos work great in dungeons too.

Yeah, biggest different in pvp and pve is, in pvp, you have to be fast, and have a good combo to win against some guys. In pve, you don't have to have that to kill a boss. It is great practice though, also helps you manage your survivability without using pots.

[Pharcyde]

Yeah, biggest different in pvp and pve is, in pvp, you have to be fast, and have a good combo to win against some guys. In pve, you don't have to have that to kill a boss. It is great practice though, also helps you manage your survivability without using pots.

I used to practice survivability by soloing Victory Lap and Captive Audience with no Elixir's. Went pretty good but I guzzled soo many potions and contributed a good 300 deaths from it :P. Oh well I got way better at surviving anything :D.

[KingFu]

I used to practice survivability by soloing Victory Lap and Captive Audience with no Elixir's. Went pretty good but I guzzled soo many potions and contributed a good 300 deaths from it :P. Oh well I got way better at surviving anything :D.

Yeah, but the thing is, in pvp, you cant use potions at all, and you have everyone respawninf trying to kill you, so it helps you a lot with survivability. Btw, is it just me or does everyone try to click where the potions would be in FN? I always do, so do my friends :p

[Pharcyde]

Yeah, but the thing is, in pvp, you cant use potions at all, and you have everyone respawninf trying to kill you, so it helps you a lot with survivability. Btw, is it just me or does everyone try to click where the potions would be in FN? I always do, so do my friends :p

I do this all the time :P. If I catch myself in too much aggro and frozen, I panic and start pressing the "Potions not available" button franticly!

One thing the VL solo's gives is extended aggro practice though. One yellow alien can take your hp down 1-2/3rds. A lorekeeper an take it down almost 3/4ths. I found it usefull learning how to cast spells and walk to avoid aggro, which is needed in PvP too, especially when you got a oncoming gang coming your way for a 1v3.

[ProSophist]

What I was thinking was give bears a significant amount of extra HP just for being a bear.

Remove the Almighty useless evade and instead, make a skill that lets them increase their HP for a short period of time.

Another tanking skill perhaps? Like an aoe stun has a reduced rate of hit in pvp to prevent them from being overpowered.

[Ruscour]

It seems really wrong that a paladin is more useful than a bear (in both PvE and PvP).

IMO a solid nerf to hybriding would be to ramp up the effects of a stat past 120ish, eg, make it exponential so that the more you put in, the better it gets (so that 120-125 might give 5 more of something, but 140-140 might give 8 more of something).

Or more bear skills that aren't bad might also be nice.

[Unruly]

Yes, I really hate bears.. No offense.. I mean when i play with them, our whole team gets no where.. Bears were designed to tank.. however.. they dont tank and i get most of the aggro.. meaning for me.. as a bird.. Using tons of potions and wasting money for them.. But.. it might just be the players that play as bears.. But i have yet to see a good bear.. I actually saw a bird that soloed Overlord.. by using pots continuously..My best set up is 3 birds and 2 mages.

[nazgulking]

Actually I've deleted a bear level 37, because it was frustating (getting killed all the time and doing very low damage) and sucking on pots too much to my liking.

[Pharcyde]

Bears are annoying til 50, then they are unbreakable.

[Unruly]

I still don't enjoy level 50 bears when im farming keeper. Most of them do not do their job, and my group can do much better without them. If the bear is a friend of mine, i let them stay. However, Most bears that i have met.. arent that great.. Well, maybe im being biased.

[Lesrider]

Lol I actually let two bears run totems with me bc they were both close friends. I wouldn't have done that for anyone else.

[Unruly]

Yeah, I only allow friends that are bears accompany me. Any other bears, I'll need to see how they play first.

[SgtOVERKILL]

I like the fact that my bear doesn't die but is useless now a days I'd rather use my bird

[bladesword]

Look. you cant perfectly balance out 3 races.

[Lesrider]

Look. you cant perfectly balance out 3 races.

They had it pretty close before 1.5. All three classes were needed in an ao3 game.

[Ursanblessing]

instead of evade, just make a BLIND skill.

[Inching]

They had it pretty close before 1.5. All three classes were needed in an ao3 game.

totally agree... the perfect match up was 2 bears, 2 birds, 1 mage. Needed all 3 to run and farm the maps but now..... i was in a team of 5 mages (i have a pic but too lazy to post) where 3 of us used keepers and the other 2 also AOE fire stafs... HOLY SH@T I kid you not, we ran the entire AO3 in split seconds.. my god it was like the new years fire works show with the AOE blasting and the AOE spells going off.. I couldnt even see myself with all the light show going on except to just keep the joypad to run forward..... Killed keeper in under a min b4 his shield up and just kept moving on..... all potted up of OL though and was jsut pure fun because non of us cared about dying... (5 mages... die all u want)...

With this, I do want to say the bears are not fun to play anymore... it would take at least 3X the time and possibly 5X if the team gets wipped at a boss (i dare not think of the long run back)...

wouldnt it be cool if all 3 characters had a "steal spell" ability where we can steal a spell for say 5 mins of another toon??

[fabiokmd]

I wouldn't say that bears suck now because they are only harder to control now.As mystical said I still get a normal average of pvp kills.You only need to know how to use them that's all. :D

[Lesrider]

I wouldn't say that bears suck now because they are only harder to control now.As mystical said I still get a normal average of pvp kills.You only need to know how to use them that's all. :D

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day it'll even be true.

[ProSophist]

I'll even go out on a limb and say that you don't need anything to farm ao3 other than 5 birds.
It feels like healing and tanking is getting more irrelevant nowadays.

[KingFu]

instead of evade, just make a BLIND skill.

I disagree. Bears do need dodge, especially since the dodge is now so low that is coming from the gear. I believe by blind skill you mean give bears a hit debuff? Birds are already capable of this by using the skills blinding shot, it lowers the enemies hit, so that wouldn't be the solid solution.

[krazii]

I'll even go out on a limb and say that you don't need anything to farm ao3 other than 5 birds.
It feels like healing and tanking is getting more irrelevant nowadays.

Yep, kill so fast, take little damage. Maybe throw in one mage for the occasional death, but not required.

Devs should really look at this, it was simliar to how mages weren't that useful before the "re-balance" because they died all time.

[StompArtist]

I disagree. Bears do need dodge, especially since the dodge is now so low that is coming from the gear. I believe by blind skill you mean give bears a hit debuff? Birds are already capable of this by using the skills blinding shot, it lowers the enemies hit, so that wouldn't be the solid solution.

What bears need is a taunt that actually works so they can become tanks again. LOL

[Physiologic]

Bears are dead? Perhaps, but they still needed very very much. When I'm in a party full of mages and birds and there's a single slot left, I PRAY that a bear takes the spot. Why? Bears DO serve useful tanks - this is the point of being melee. They are the difference between tanking damage while running to AO3 bosses and having the entire party wiped out. There has been so many times where I would run forward as a bird with max evade on and still get destroyed during a rush just because a bear hasn't been alongside with me, disabling enemies with stomp. Don't give up on your bears - you are still very much needed.

[nazgulking]

I am optimist and re-made a bear from the scartch, let's see :)