Hung's Art of the 16 Rhino

[DivineMoustache]

Helping bring 16 Rhino back into a more common role at 15-17 PvP is something that I've enjoyed for the last few months. However, the newer 16 rhinos usually tend to last around 1 week, due to the fact that they do not realize the simple strategies that have been perfected by only few rhinos. Many people have told me or other 16 rhinos that it is overpowered, but when they go to make the characters, they have the mentality of a 20 rhino: charge immediately off the bat. This leads to huge failure and ultimately, quitting the class altogether. This is rather unfortunate to me, as if they had known the incredibly simple strategies, they would be much better off.

To correctly execute a 16 rhino, please pay attention to the following:


Build
The 16 rhino's skill build is probably the most vague and simple of all builds. Simply have 6 vital force, and at least 1 heal. However, the build that I generally use against bears is 5 heal, 6 vital force, 1 charge, and 3 redemption. 3 heal, 6 vital force, 1 charge, and 5 redemption is also a good choice.

Stat point wise, put 22 points into INT, and then the rest into dex. These 22 int points will be for your "Alch Loadout" which will be explained pretty soon.



Gear
The level 16 Rhino best utilizes the "Forgotten Bow", one of, if not THE most powerful 10m weapon at 15-17.
"ArtiRhino" - This load out is for what I generally begin fights with.
Level 15 Artisan Reinforced Leather
Level 15 Halloween Bone Helm, dex/int are both equal.
Level 10 Champions Fine Platinum Band
Level 14-16 Forgotten Bow

"AlchPally" - Once I hit 1/4 mana, I will heal, then immediately try to switch to this loadout while conserving mana. May not work as well against mages, though, unless they switch to a regen based set as well.

Level 5 Alchemist's Cloth
Level 15 Halloween Bone Helm, Int for the armor
Level 10 Fine Golden Band of Life, for M/S as well as armor.
Level 14-16 Forgotten Bow

However, at times, you may want to use a "paw" for better armor, which includes the "Monkey Paw" items and the "evidence bracer" items. Use the same load outs, but simply remove forgotten bow and add a paw & evidence bracer to the picture.


The Strategy
The lone "difficulty" in Rhino 16 PvP, is fighting bears! However, victory can be achieved. Simply move backwards while auto attack is on, and time heal properly. Usually, one should heal immediately after the stomp, and then immediately charge + redemption for the combo. However, some bears like to wait on their stomp, at which point you will probably need to heal at 2/3 HP and charge + redemption. If they stomp you away, you will probably be rooted by crippling slash, so take the time to charge, which will knock them back and give you separation from their slashes.

Against mages, it is pretty straightforward: auto them, heal off ice, and wait for their heal. Once they heal, charge + redemption for a combo. Try to keep yourself from becoming ice locked, and once you have no buff, do not use any skills except for heal, unless you feel like the mage is very low and could be eliminated if you kept the pressure on. It's not difficult to execute, but sometimes it gets difficult to win against a mage. Manage your mana and HP wisely, and remember to swap to alch at 1/4 Mana!

Against other rhinos, you want to wait for their charge. Then heal, and attempt to combo. Never charge immediately after they charge, as that will result in a guaranteed combo.

If you require any further assistance, shoot me a PM or friend request on "bastardhungry" or "pardner"!

[Vvriter]

Nice guide. I'll be making a Rhino when I get the extra funds to buy a pink 16-17 Fbow, I'll be joining ya soon. :eagerness:

[Fqo]

Some of these tips are not correct. Mages are very squishy when it comes to fbow pally. You can charge off the back, when iced simply wait for the ice duration to wore off and combo for instant nuke.Also same for birds just wait for repulse and root then combo. And your stats 1 heal is over used I myself is unique as you can see. It's rekts btw no criticism here overall a good guide. Btw why all of a sudden make 16 rhino thread...

[DivineMoustache]

Some of these tips are not correct. Mages are very squishy when it comes to fbow pally. You can charge off the back, when iced simply wait for the ice duration to wore off and combo for instant nuke.Also same for birds just wait for repulse and root then combo. And your stats 1 heal is over used I myself is unique as you can see. It's rekts btw no criticism here overall a good guide. Btw why all of a sudden make 16 rhino thread...

Thank you for the constructive criticism. However, I feel that most mages at 15 (which utilize two ices) easily ice lock an opponent rhino. Also, I did not say to use 1 heal. The build was a generalization of how unique the rhino builds can be, ranging from only 1 heal, to 6 heal.

As I also said, birds are pretty straightforward, ^see the above post. Nvm, I didn't say that. That came from my bigger post. Got mixed up

And I made this guide to complement the remake of my larger overall 12-21 guide that I've been working on the last few months. Just decided to take some information from the larger and get a little more in depth. See you around!

[Fqo]

Well if anyone needs tips also pm me on npa or rekts.

[DivineMoustache]

sounds good ^.^

[Fqo]

;) I might quit bear and be bes rhino

[Vvriter]

;) I might quit bear and be bes rhino

Yeah, you have no hopes of being the best on Bear, Rhino is a better choice for you. :chuncky:

[Trenton]

I don't see where 3 Redemption helps much, I think it adds like 6 more damage? An alternative build (which I had used) was:

6 Vital Force
3 Guardian
1 Charge
1 Redemption
4 Heal

I don't think more than 1 Redemption helps much. The 10 armor from Guardian really helps, plus Guardian can be used to get out of stuns, roots, ice, etc.

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[DivineMoustache]

I don't see where 3 Redemption helps much, I think it adds like 6 more damage? An alternative build (which I had used) was:

6 Vital Force
3 Guardian
1 Charge
1 Redemption
4 Heal

I don't think more than 1 Redemption helps much. The 10 armor from Guardian really helps, plus Guardian can be used to get out of stuns, roots, ice, etc.

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That's what I thought as well, however, when I did some testing against a pretty known old mage a few months back (Tophatnuke), the 5 redemption build worked much better than lower redemption builds. In fact, I had this same argument with him.

Not sure why it works better though...more comboing? higher juiced? more drain? for me atm, it's intangible, I know that's not a very statistical reason, but i've put the plat into these builds.

[Fear]

Why not rhino might? Dmg + debuff + extra skill for more dmg


That's what I thought as well, however, when I did some testing against a pretty known old mage a few months back (Tophatnuke), the 5 redemption build worked much better than lower redemption builds. In fact, I had this same argument with him.

Not sure why it works better though...more comboing? higher juiced? more drain? for me atm, it's intangible, I know that's not a very statistical reason, but i've put the plat into these builds.

[Rescind]

Why not rhino might? Dmg + debuff + extra skill for more dmg

No 2x damage like the charge-red combo gives

[Impact]

I don't see where 3 Redemption helps much, I think it adds like 6 more damage? An alternative build (which I had used) was:

6 Vital Force
3 Guardian
1 Charge
1 Redemption
4 Heal

I don't think more than 1 Redemption helps much. The 10 armor from Guardian really helps, plus Guardian can be used to get out of stuns, roots, ice, etc.

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This is bes build

[DivineMoustache]

This is bes build
Guard does not help with 16 rhino, due to the fact that the execution for rhino vs bear/mage is long term, while the buff lasts 5 seconds. In my strategy that I highlighted above, the goal is to kite using auto, which should take 5 secs in itself. 10 armor contributes a little to it, it will disappear as soon as you hit the charge for damage. To help survive the following charge, whilst adding points in either redemption or heal makes it easier to nuke as well as adding points to drain life.

For more information why guard is not very useful when used for armor rather than the root debuff: 20s. cooldown, 5 sec protection.

[Fear]

Guard does not help with 16 rhino, due to the fact that the execution for rhino vs bear/mage is long term, while the buff lasts 5 seconds. In my strategy that I highlighted above, the goal is to kite using auto, which should take 5 secs in itself. 10 armor contributes a little to it, it will disappear as soon as you hit the charge for damage. To help survive the following charge, whilst adding points in either redemption or heal makes it easier to nuke as well as adding points to drain life.

For more information why guard is not very useful when used for armor rather than the root debuff: 20s. cooldown, 5 sec protection.

5 seconds is a lot, no? (compare it to other buff times) such an op buff. cant be debuffed?? i would put at least 1 point in this op skill

[DivineMoustache]

5 seconds is a lot, no? (compare it to other buff times) such an op buff. cant be debuffed?? i would put at least 1 point in this op skill

Yea, 1 point is pretty useful to free from roots such as ice/hellscream/stun/etc., but it's more qualified as a de-buff remover than it is an "OP Buff" at level 1, since it only adds 1 armor and 1 dodge.

And also, 5 secs is not a lot of time at all, as I said before, if you're using the auto-kite strategy (which is pretty much the only way to even challenge an FB bear, sometimes even good talon bears can rekt 16 rhino).

[The Voices]

I love how people are arguing on Div's build. :vwub: It's fine. -_- 3 Redem will add more of a defensive side, while auto-attack kiting does enough damage (shows how OP Fbows are).

[Rot]

What I used to do was 6 guardian and 1 heal (derp), it worked fine for me though. Btw, I was lv17

[DivineMoustache]

What I used to do was 6 guardian and 1 heal (derp), it worked fine for me though. Btw, I was lv17

Yea, 1 heal works surprisingly well, and combined with 6 guard, it may have been enough to fight bears WITHOUT crippling slash. However, against rhinos, you need the extra combo damage coming from red rather than the 5 seconds of extra armor provided by guardian.

Perhaps you guys haven't been on 16 Rhino for a little while, actually, a more recent trend has been that all bears have been adding 3 slashes instead of the classic SMS and Vengeful. New 16 Rhinos need the damage and absorption to attempt to survive crippling slash, not add a buff that will certainly run out during the most important stage of the fight.

[Rot]

Yea, 1 heal works surprisingly well, and combined with 6 guard, it may have been enough to fight bears WITHOUT crippling slash. However, against rhinos, you need the extra combo damage coming from red rather than the 5 seconds of extra armor provided by guardian.

Perhaps you guys haven't been on 16 Rhino for a little while, actually, a more recent trend has been that all bears have been adding 3 slashes instead of the classic SMS and Vengeful. New 16 Rhinos need the damage and absorption to attempt to survive crippling slash, not add a buff that will certainly run out during the most important stage of the fight.

Yep I agree, bears tend to have all 3 slashes to have a better chance against lv20 Rhinos..

+1 for the guide

[Laar]

This is really sweet, some pictures and it would be perfect. I like how you take criticism and argue against it other than giving in and being modest, you truly talk like you know what you're doing. If I decide to use a 16 rhino, I'd know where to look.

[Rot]

Anyone mind to post the differences between each level of redemption? I've heard from some that 1 point into redemption is enough. Would help me out tons if someone posts the increase in damage and combo damage with each skill point put into redemption.

[Fear]

Anyone mind to post the differences between each level of redemption? I've heard from some that 1 point into redemption is enough. Would help me out tons if someone posts the increase in damage and combo damage with each skill point put into redemption.

Pretty much +9-10 dmg each lvl u upgrade it starting from l1

[Rot]

Pretty much +9-10 dmg each lvl u upgrade it starting from l1

Thanks, helped me tons, appreciate it

;)

[Trenton]

I love how people are arguing on Div's build. :vwub: It's fine. -_- 3 Redem will add more of a defensive side, while auto-attack kiting does enough damage (shows how OP Fbows are).
We're not allowed to voice an opinion?

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[Covert]

We're not allowed to voice an opinion?

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[Fqo]

Yea hung doesn't give up on criticism easily. Trust me lol come to 15 pvp you'll see. He's a pretty cool guy to talk to doe.

[DivineMoustache]

Pretty much +9-10 dmg each lvl u upgrade it starting from l1

Significantly more than the 6 from 1-3 included that Trenton stated earlier. Although guardian is still a good option, I don't believe it's as good as higher redemption.

[Trenton]

I'm sorry.

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I guess I was wrong, goes up 5 at L2, and 6 at L3. My bad.

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[Burningdex]

7 at l4 den?

[Polussion]

Something to remember guard only last 8 sec so it doesn't help much I'd usually use 1-2 a 8 sec buff is not as effective so its best to be a nuke in my opinion but nice guide bro :).

[DivineMoustache]

Something to remember guard only last 8 sec so it doesn't help much I'd usually use 1-2 a 8 sec buff is not as effective so its best to be a nuke in my opinion but nice guide bro :).

Yea, my build doesn't use guard at all.

@Trenton, Ya, I checked myself. 10 damage from 1-3 isn't very much, but it works better in my opinion than guard because of a reasons I realized above in my reply to Rot. TY for the pictures though!

Also just realized you might have thought I meant 6 damage per level from 1-3, I was meaning you said the difference was 6 damage total.

[Depury]

Those clever loadout names... Do you actually use those in your inventory? :banana:


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[DivineMoustache]

Those clever loadout names... Do you actually use those in your inventory? :banana:


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Indeed I do. quite a shame the tremendous amount of creativity I put in my other load out names cannot be shared with the world.

[Depury]

Indeed I do. quite a shame the rest of my load outs jokes cannot be revealed to the world without causing human extinction.

Right now I'm torn between respect snd restraining order


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[DivineMoustache]

Right now I'm torn between respect snd restraining order


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never respect someone u consider filing a restraining order against

[Depury]

That's my beeswax, hun


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[DivineMoustache]

That's my beeswax, hun


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im gonna thank that post to make it look like i understand what that means

[Heqr]

best way to beat mages is try and auto first, don't just charge in and once you see them heal you do your combo (charge and redemption). Because most mages now know that once the rhino charges is to heal because it messes up rhino combo, which is why you do the combo after they heal because you know your more likely to hit it.

[The Voices]

We're not allowed to voice an opinion?

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Erhhmmm... -__- ME: Burned.....

[Caiahar]

You all are wrong

[Laar]

You all are wrong
Was waiting for you to post here :D

[DivineMoustache]

You all are wrong

for someone who hasn't been around levels 12-17 in a while, I'd like to know your reasons why.

[Trenton]

You all are wrong
Elaborate? I showed you 16 rhino, gave you my build, and you said it worked very well. I remember you trying a 3 heal 4 Guardian build, but I don't remember you liking it. Unless you'd like to elaborate, don't post. You obviously don't care about PL anymore, but why keep posting when you're just going to waste space?

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[Motivating]

Shots fired!

[Caiahar]

Elaborate? I showed you 16 rhino, gave you my build, and you said it worked very well. I remember you trying a 3 heal 4 Guardian build, but I don't remember you liking it. Unless you'd like to elaborate, don't post. You obviously don't care about PL anymore, but why keep posting when you're just going to waste space?

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Trenton,you should know me well enough to know that what i said was a joke.
I hate explaining my jokes.
What i mean, since some people argue over the builds, I dont really care, everyone has their opinions, so as a joke i said "You all are wrong" which means lets all agree that we all dont have the best or good build, so compromise and eat some cookies.

At least Laar understood

for someone who hasn't been around levels 12-17 in a while, I'd like to know your reasons why.


I freakin hate it when everyone PL takes my jokes seriously.

I come back to forums to crack a joke or two..
I still wonder how people like dudetus or some other oldie who quit make a random comment in a thread and not be taken seriously.

[Trenton]

Trenton,you should know me well enough to know that what i said was a joke.
I hate explaining my jokes.
What i mean, since some people argue over the builds, I dont really care, everyone has their opinions, so as a joke i said "You all are wrong" which means lets all agree that we all dont have the best or good build, so compromise and eat some cookies.

At least Laar understood



I freakin hate it when everyone PL takes my jokes seriously.

I come back to forums to crack a joke or two..
I still wonder how people like dudetus or some other oldie who quit make a random comment in a thread and not be taken seriously.
It's because you're not funny

[Caiahar]

It's because you're not funny

That was harsh

at least dont take my jokes seriously, Ill be happy enough

[Trenton]

That was harsh

at least dont take my jokes seriously, Ill be happy enough
No one really took it as a joke.

[Caiahar]

No one really took it as a joke.

Gah...

How about this, dont take anything i say seriously unless i actually say so.

[DivineMoustache]

Gah...

How about this, dont take anything i say seriously unless i actually say so.

hahahahahaha that's really funny bro!

tbh, your point about dudetus, we can actually tell he's joking whenever he posts something random. your post was so ambiguous and non joke like that you shouldn't be blaming anyone but yourself.

edit: don't get me wrong though, I now see what u meant because of ur explanation post but if you're going to "joke around", at least make it more clear.

[Laar]

I understood that it was meant to be a joke, but it wasn't funny. I just went along with it so Shadow wouldnt feel that bad, because I knew that a Trenton would come along with it :D

[Trenton]

I understood that it was meant to be a joke, but it wasn't funny. I just went along with it so Shadow wouldnt feel that bad, because I knew that a Trenton would come along with it :D
Hah

[Caiahar]

hahahahahaha that's really funny bro!

tbh, your point about dudetus, we can actually tell he's joking whenever he posts something random. your post was so ambiguous and non joke like that you shouldn't be blaming anyone but yourself.

edit: don't get me wrong though, I now see what u meant because of ur explanation post but if you're going to "joke around", at least make it more clear.

I think everytime i make a post thats not serious, i have to add in a
":)" or ";)" or ":D"

Which pretty much defeats the purpose

wasnt supposed to be funny, but its just that one random comment that always seems to appear on threads.