Questions about Twinking.

[Misa]

I've decided to try twinking, and see how it is. I hope it's fun. Makes a change from training every time.

So....

1. Which levels are the most popular ones for twinking? 19? 35? etc?

2. In your opinion, which is the best character/build for twinking? You guys would probably say : 'It's up to your playstyle.' But, i don't want that, just tell me the shizz already. Post skills, and stats, gear, and combos as well please.

Thanks. I'll post more questions if i have any.

P.S: If you guys actually notice, i've been posting a lot of question threads. I do this for every game i play, because i want to have as much knowledge of that game as i can. Sorry if this is getting annoying, just bear with me till i pass through the 'noob' phase. This way, i won't be those people who don't know their role at all, or even know how to play the game well.

[Ladylove]

Level 35 pure int mage = win

[Bigsleazy]

Nobody is going to give you their combo. People are very secretive about that. But drain-ice-lightening-fire is a good place to start.

I'm waiting for zerious to post here, he/she always gives great advice.

[Misa]

Yeah, I kinda already expected that no one would've given me their combo. It's okay, just give me the basic ones. I'll learn from there.

[Kossi]

Nobody is going to give you their combo. People are very secretive about that. But drain-ice-lightening-fire is a good place to start.

I'm waiting for zerious to post here, he/she always gives great advice.
should i take down my improve me thread?

[Ersana]

Add me In game I'll give combos and build

[KingFu]

1) Level 20, and 30-35 are probably most common.

2) Pure int Mage, for the glass canon effect :cool:. Can't give out skill points.

[Zerious]

Nobody is going to give you their combo. People are very secretive about that. But drain-ice-lightening-fire is a good place to start.

I'm waiting for zerious to post here, he/she always gives great advice.

Ty sleazy :D and I'M A DUDE BRUHSKI!! XD

Any ways, I'm going to start my "Build-a-lvl20 Twink Workshop" soon. I've almost got my organization set-up, and I'd like it to be stickied once it's up but it might take time for me to get the mods to do so. I'm going to offer in-depth advice for builds right down to the stats and skill placement. It'll focus on building a twink that best suits the player's style, and fine-tune stats and skills for the "best fit".

However I will offer this following Twink set-up for the time being. It was the first build I used modeled after the legendary Imperialelf who used his own personalized lvl 21 build, back when I met him. I give all credit for the idea to him, thanks Imp :)


class: Enchantress

build: wand pally

stat placement and finishing result before and after equips:
+49 str, +46 int
before: 50 str/2 dex/53 int
after: 67 str/2 dex/ 60 int

equips used:
lvl 19 "Stormstrike Wand of Mastery"
lvl 19 str armor "...of Legend"
lvl 19 "Ursan Mercenary Helm" or "Ursan Ursan Helm" (no difference in stats, only Ursan Ursan requires 1 less str to equip)
lvl 19 "Conqueror's Ironrock Shield of Legend"

I suggest this build because it was what I started with, and I've introduced players to twinking using this build. It's balanced in most aspects and when played right, you have potential to defeat even some of the more over-powered builds (peppermint hammer bird, dex bears). While it's good at one on one its versatility allows it to be very productive in rumbles (2v2, 3v3, and again if you get the hang of it, you +1v3).
As far as skills go, Maxing heal and Drain life will always give you the upper hand in one on one and will keep you alive against the more over-powering builds you might face. I recommend at least one lightning, one firestorm, one ice storm, and one frostbite for damage spells. It's your choice what to do afterwards, whether you want to invest in debuffs, mana shield (if you must use this i recommend only 1 point), or juicing up the damage skills. Again this build is very flexible and versatile.

Hope this helps

Zerious :D

[Misa]

Wow, thanks guys! Very helpful. But for birds and bears, what build should I use for them?

[KingFu]

Wow, thanks guys! Very helpful. But for birds and bears, what build should I use for them?

Bird ---- Pure Dex, or, dual weild talon and iron rock shield.

Bear ---- Whatever you want, I would use the int/str build Wolf left above.

[Misa]

Ty sleazy :D and I'M A DUDE BRUHSKI!! XD

Any ways, I'm going to start my "Build-a-lvl20 Twink Workshop" soon. I've almost got my organization set-up, and I'd like it to be stickied once it's up but it might take time for me to get the mods to do so. I'm going to offer in-depth advice for builds right down to the stats and skill placement. It'll focus on building a twink that best suits the player's style, and fine-tune stats and skills for the "best fit".

However I will offer this following Twink set-up for the time being. It was the first build I used modeled after the legendary Imperialelf who used his own personalized lvl 21 build, back when I met him. I give all credit for the idea to him, thanks Imp :)


class: Enchantress

build: wand pally

stat placement and finishing result before and after equips:
+49 str, +46 int
before: 50 str/2 dex/53 int
after: 67 str/2 dex/ 60 int

equips used:
lvl 19 "Stormstrike Wand of Mastery"
lvl 19 str armor "...of Legend"
lvl 19 "Ursan Mercenary Helm" or "Ursan Ursan Helm" (no difference in stats, only Ursan Ursan requires 1 less str to equip)
lvl 19 "Conqueror's Ironrock Shield of Legend"

I suggest this build because it was what I started with, and I've introduced players to twinking using this build. It's balanced in most aspects and when played right, you have potential to defeat even some of the more over-powered builds (peppermint hammer bird, dex bears). While it's good at one on one its versatility allows it to be very productive in rumbles (2v2, 3v3, and again if you get the hang of it, you +1v3).
As far as skills go, Maxing heal and Drain life will always give you the upper hand in one on one and will keep you alive against the more over-powering builds you might face. I recommend at least one lightning, one firestorm, one ice storm, and one frostbite for damage spells. It's your choice what to do afterwards, whether you want to invest in debuffs, mana shield (if you must use this i recommend only 1 point), or juicing up the damage skills. Again this build is very flexible and versatile.

Hope this helps

Zerious :D

Man, the items you posted are seriously expensive for me! And btw, what level do I have to be for that build?


Bird ---- Pure Dex, or, dual weild talon and iron rock shield.

Bear ---- Whatever you want, I would use the int/str build Wolf left above.

O.o Isn't the build that Zerious posted for enchantresses?

[KingFu]

Man, the items you posted are seriously expensive for me! And btw, what level do I have to be for that build?

Lvl 20. And not at all. Wand is like 2K, armor is 5-10K, helm is like 1K, and shield is like 5-10K. So 13-23K for a twink....

[Misa]

The cheapest wand I saw was 6k, armor 12k, shield 8k. That's 26k. And I'm *pakawk!*ing poor......... *sigh*

[Zerious]

Bird ---- Pure Dex, or, dual weild talon and iron rock shield.

I agree entirely


Bear ---- Whatever you want, I would use the int/str build Wolf left above.

If you could find at least a purple Toy Man wand (pink obviously better but more expensive) It would have more damage output than The stormstrike wand. Everything else is pretty much the same, gear-wise. Although you'd have to make a couple changes on the stats to make the toy man wand work.

Your base stats would need to be: 44 str/2 dex/59 int

You may wan to find a purple holiday hack and gingerbread defender for an adequate str boost to equip your str armor. If you're having trouble finding a helm with str, go the Forest Haven and talk to Ozz. You can buy a lvl 6 helm that gives 3 str.

[Zerious]

The cheapest wand I saw was 6k, armor 12k, shield 8k. That's 26k. And I'm *pakawk!*ing poor......... *sigh*

If you have Lost expedition, The drops there tend to liquidate for a lot of gold, and if you get lucky with a good pink, you'd get a pretty nickel for those in the CS too.

[Misa]

If you have Lost expedition, The drops there tend to liquidate for a lot of gold, and if you get lucky with a good pink, you'd get a pretty nickel for those in the CS too.

Okay, thanks! But Which level should I solo farm lost expedition at? 30? 50?

[Zerious]

Okay, thanks! But Which level should I solo farm lost expedition at? 30? 50?

If you're gonna try farming pinks, you wanna be 50 or as close as possible to speed through to the Boss. But if you can get into any party with 2-3 average lvl 27-32s, then you could pick up common drops like the frozen shields that liquidate for 107g each or close at lvl 27 or higher without problems

[Misa]

Mkay lol, because i saw Ersana soloing it at lvl 30 XD. And when's your workshop coming out~~

[Zerious]

as soon as I get everything together, and get on the mods' good side... I got banned for flaming a trash-talker, so it might take a while. If I can't get them to sticky it by next week, then I'll probably link it to my sig

[Phaded]

Strength bird is by far best bird and dex bear is very nice.

[Zerious]

Dex bear (bow or talon) > str bird (including hammer bird)

Through experience

[Ersana]

Fire ur questions away I know all of the builds.

[Zerious]

Fire ur questions away I know all of the builds.

Stat-wise, but skill wise I say meh

[Ersana]

Stats ok hmmm I'm gonna go on in like 3 mins add ersana and I'll tell u there

[Misa]

Lol, okay, how about intbears though?

[Fatpigwarrior]

if u ask me i would say go with a bird that has full int and level 35 so u can use the toad stuff and dreamers dark wand and a random shield

[Kujen]

I made a lvl 20 dual spec wand paladin, and she sucks. Dex bears and peppermint hammer birds always kill me. 1 vs 1 I can get a dex bear to about half health before he kills me. I have pink toy man wand, lvl 19 pink tunic, conq ironrock shield, crusaders merc helm. Heal and drain life are maxed, 1 point in ice storm, and the rest split between firestorm and lighting.

Did I do something wrong here? I always try to hit the ice storm/firestorm combo, I always use drain life when my health starts going but against these armored bears and birds it doesn't do a whole lot of damage. Any tips? I'm tempted to just go full int or level up to 30-35 because I've very disappointed with this one.

[Misa]

Use Zerious's build that is posted in this thread.

[Kujen]

I did, only I have more in Int to be able to use the toy man wand, which I believe has better stats than a stormstrike wand. I just can't get enough damage in against high armor opponents. I guess I could reduce all my offensive skills and put those points in debuffs instead, but would that work? One heal from an opposing mage and they're all cleared.

[Misa]

Well, no one said it would top all. let's just wait for Zerious to get here. Btw, does anyone know a good dex bear build, including gear?

[Zerious]

I did, only I have more in Int to be able to use the toy man wand, which I believe has better stats than a stormstrike wand. I just can't get enough damage in against high armor opponents. I guess I could reduce all my offensive skills and put those points in debuffs instead, but would that work? One heal from an opposing mage and they're all cleared.

you should have one frostbite, as it's definitely easier to pull off than icestorm.

When facing dex bears, it's really hard to pull off a win since rage is overpowered atm. You just gotta keep them from using their slash skills on you, if that happens, don't expect to survive. Keep them at bay with frostbite and right before the cooldown is done, firestorm to push them AND catch the tail end of the freeze effect so it becomes a combo attack, then frostbite and repeat. Don't forget to heal and drain when your health gets lower. Again it's the only plan I've gotten to work so far, and it doesn't always guarantee victory. This strategy works against all bears but any ranged bear is definitely the hardest kill, and the counter-build of the wand pally.

Against hammer birds, pretty much the same thing but you have to frostbite then heal RIGHT after to mend your "broken armor" that birds will always pester you with; mages with broken armor are very fragile, so it's extremely important to heal it asap. After this, same thing as fighting a bear: freeze, (heal/drain), firestorm to freeze, repeat. The bird can't hurt you with its hammer, which is the core of its power. If a bird gets you with a good thwack and an avian scream, you're most likely dead. Distance is your friend.

Against warbirds (str birds with talon), just keep distance so you don't get screamed (which stuns and does a decent amount of damage even at level 1). Again, the combo stated earlier works well, but if the bird gets enough crits, you're in trouble. Just remember to HEAL, and only drain life when your health reaches about 3/5 full, that way you don't over-heal, and the bird can't combo you to death (hoping they don't get many crits).

Against full dex birds, Rush them, but start your combo with heal then drain-life; you'll most likely get one-combo-killed if you don't. then freeze, lightning, firestorm. The firestorm will hit them before lightning and hot-flash combo them since lightning has a 1 second casting speed. If you have nightmare, use it before you heal, and if you have weakness, use it before freeze. If you have both, use weakness before nightmare, THEN freeze. You wanna kill them asap, but their dps is high, so weakness first is important. NEVER NEVER NEVER do anything before heal to drain, if you do, you'll most likely die from their first combo.

[Kujen]

Thanks Zerious, very helpful! I may need to respec again. Do you suggest taking some points out of firestorm/lightning to put into the debuffs? Like is it better to have one point (or more) in each debuff and less points in offensive skills, or put all those points into offensive skills?

[Zerious]

Thanks Zerious, very helpful! I may need to respec again. Do you suggest taking some points out of firestorm/lightning to put into the debuffs? Like is it better to have one point (or more) in each debuff and less points in offensive skills, or put all those points into offensive skills?

There is no set way to play the game. If you're not afraid to get in close and put yourself in harm's way to ironically turn the tables in your favor with debuffs, then sure, go for it. I wouldn't recommend maxing the debuffs unless you plan on being more of a rumbler (3v3 fighter) becuase this usually means you'd wind up with less points put in the damage spells. If you dont want the debuffs, but still wanna be one badazz mage., you could go full int and balance out your damage spells for INSANE spell damage output. The downside to this is you wouldn't be anywhere near as durable as the wand pally

[Zerious]

Btw guys get ready for my Workshop, I'm starting it shortly today.