View Full Version : Ending Blocking in PvP.
Starting off what joy comes from a guild having 5 on 1 side and 3 more on the other? Is is desperation for kills? Or We got blocked so lets block back? Peter jumped off the bridge so I'm gonna jump too? Its Player vs Players. In all the online pvp I've never seen such behaviour.
Ergo, I propose a few suggestions to the community of AL and the Developers.
Suggestion 1: In pvp lobby, lock teams to guilds for eg. Player from Guild x is blue, guild y is red. Guild x cannot go over to guild y, because its locked, therefore stopping this childish block play. Furthermore... Create a guild pvp room all together, same concept, but you need 5 players from same guild to start vs 5 from another. Here by removing players choice to choose a side and limiting it strictly to guilds.
Suggestion 2: Vote to kick, people will find a way to ruin a game by simply calling a player from another guild. Vote to kick player, 3/5 to pass.
Hue.
Some guilds like to fight within guild: DM, Phoenix, Chivalrous Union.
Now, since these guilds are a big portion of end game players, I do not think that they would appreciate this. After all, I learn best by fighting guildies and players who give me a challenge. Why would you deny yourself the opportunity to spar with guildmates to better PvP skills?
Blocking is a guild war thing. If you have been blocked and cannot overcome it, I suggest you leave the room. For me, it is satisfaction enough to know that someone had to block me in order to overcome me. 5 players on their team wasn't enough.
GL!
radagan
08-26-2014, 12:52 PM
Hahah who is so stupid to block zeus?
Some guilds like to fight within guild: DM, Phoenix, Chivalrous Union.
Now, since these guilds are a big portion of end game players, I do not think that they would appreciate this. After all, I learn best by fighting guildies and players who give me a challenge. Why would you deny yourself the opportunity to spar with guildmates to better PvP skills?
Blocking is a guild war thing. If you have been blocked and cannot overcome it, I suggest you leave the room. For me, it is satisfaction enough to know that someone had to block me in order to overcome me. 5 players on their team wasn't enough.
GL!
"Furthermore... Create a guild pvp room all together, same concept, but you need 5 players from same guild to start vs 5 from another. Here by removing players choice to choose a side and limiting it strictly to guilds."
Still keeping the old pvp room this one is strictly guild vs guild.
Jurmans
08-26-2014, 01:40 PM
People like to vs guildies, vote to kick is easy to abuse and will be useless if there's 8 people from that guild in that game-.-
"Furthermore... Create a guild pvp room all together, same concept, but you need 5 players from same guild to start vs 5 from another. Here by removing players choice to choose a side and limiting it strictly to guilds."
Still keeping the old pvp room this one is strictly guild vs guild.
Yeah, saw that. Apologies if I didn't make it clear!
However, check the last time STG made any changes to PvP. So, this is why I suggested what I did. New rooms are great but profit = ???
Yeah, saw that. Apologies if I didn't make it clear!
However, check the last time STG made any changes to PvP. So, this is why I suggested what I did. New rooms are great but profit = ???
Yeah true, it seems STS takes the easy way out of every issue there is. Its either redirected to nothing, completly ignored thread or the thread is locked/deleted.
Anyway, Arcane legends used to be fun with just mythic gear. At 31 cap it was anyone's game. Guess coding a rebalance is to much hard work, hence the ongoing posts. That never get adressed.
People like to vs guildies, vote to kick is easy to abuse and will be useless if there's 8 people from that guild in that game-.-
Quite true, however people are constantly abusing kill farming, along with platinum farming via VPNs and nothing gets done about it which they are well aware of truth is rough. STS has not shown they care one bit towards loyal paying customers, and those who have to cheat to win.
Bless
08-26-2014, 07:45 PM
Pvp in most mobile MMORPGs is dull and lifeless because it is either full of too many rules or the design is horrible. AL is doing pretty good on its FFA and I want it to stay that way, unfortunately spot blocking is pretty common and people are mean so it won't stop.
Remember Me
08-26-2014, 11:10 PM
In A.V.A the pros get kicked all the time for being to good...
Robhawk
08-27-2014, 01:20 AM
...unfortunately spot blocking is pretty common and people are mean so it won't stop.
When i hear the word "block" allways 1 name comes to my mind xearthquakex. This guy is a block toon because he joins a game and blocks it i think i never saw him play to this point! He does good work for his guild, as Zeus said 5 or 4 in tdm were not enough! :eagerness:
So now i get an infraction because of insult of other players? Well, TY i care as much as STS for pvp changes/bug fixes/ listening to the community/ fixing kershal ! Have a nice day! ;)
phillyr
08-27-2014, 06:59 AM
There's a certain endgame pvp guild that is known for blocking for ganging(as told to me by one of their players) the have 2 teams for pvp. One for killing and one for blocking. It'll never end.
I like the idea I read about a new room that your team is picked for you. No join buttons at all. Mix up top geared players with less than max gear players for a more even match.
GoodSyntax
08-27-2014, 07:24 AM
Personally, I would like to see two different PvP rooms.
One is a random room. When you join, all players are assigned names like Red 1, Red 2, Blue 1, Blue 2, etc. This can be based on the current PvP room. You cannot invite anyone to this room, and you cannot choose which team you are on.
The second is a guild purchased room (250 plat to buy this option for your guild). This allows guildies to spar with each other without the drama. Also, this guild "hosted" arena is the only way in which players can be invited to PvP, thereby supporting a proper guild war room.
As an added bonus, a guild can purchase environmentals, so by default, you purchase a TDM room without Truell. Guilds can buy additional environmentals, like Truell, or any of the Gladiator Arena environmentals for a cost of 25 plat each. Then, the PvP host can define which environmentals they want in their match, so effectively, your guild can have a "home arena advantage" if you practice with a specific environmental.
IMHO - it would be fun to set up a guild v guild match with Truell and Vortex Crystals.
Jantroy
08-27-2014, 08:03 AM
Personally, I would like to see two different PvP rooms.
One is a random room. When you join, all players are assigned names like Red 1, Red 2, Blue 1, Blue 2, etc. This can be based on the current PvP room. You cannot invite anyone to this room, and you cannot choose which team you are on.
The second is a guild purchased room (250 plat to buy this option for your guild). This allows guildies to spar with each other without the drama. Also, this guild "hosted" arena is the only way in which players can be invited to PvP, thereby supporting a proper guild war room.
As an added bonus, a guild can purchase environmentals, so by default, you purchase a TDM room without Truell. Guilds can buy additional environmentals, like Truell, or any of the Gladiator Arena environmentals for a cost of 25 plat each. Then, the PvP host can define which environmentals they want in their match, so effectively, your guild can have a "home arena advantage" if you practice with a specific environmental.
IMHO - it would be fun to set up a guild v guild match with Truell and Vortex Crystals.
i absolutely like the idea. The random room prevents spot blocking and guild ganging. While the guild pvp room is plain awesome. The guild pvp room brings in profits to STS and at the same time gives satisfaction to guild members. Its a win-win situation IMO.
They could make this guild vs guild room a purchasable addition to the guild hall...let's say 100 plat or so for the upgrade.
There's only so many guilds, they wouldn't get a lot of platinum out of that for the design/coding that goes into play, right? I was thinking perhaps 100 plat for the upgrade and perhaps some form of an energy kit to enter it. Once entered, it wouldn't cost more to keep replaying games. However, if you ran from the map and then wanted to re-enter, it would cost an energy kit to come back.
This way, whenever guilds want to war in it - it's an constantly flowing revenue for STG.
phillyr
08-27-2014, 01:53 PM
@zues The only way they would make revenue is if the kits were plat purchase only. Even if they were tradable, I dont think too many people will be willing to pay to play pvp. I know I wouldnt, but i could be wrong
@goodsyntax I like it +1
Aslanx
08-27-2014, 05:25 PM
Personally, I would like to see two different PvP rooms.
One is a random room. When you join, all players are assigned names like Red 1, Red 2, Blue 1, Blue 2, etc. This can be based on the current PvP room. You cannot invite anyone to this room, and you cannot choose which team you are on.
The second is a guild purchased room (250 plat to buy this option for your guild). This allows guildies to spar with each other without the drama. Also, this guild "hosted" arena is the only way in which players can be invited to PvP, thereby supporting a proper guild war room.
As an added bonus, a guild can purchase environmentals, so by default, you purchase a TDM room without Truell. Guilds can buy additional environmentals, like Truell, or any of the Gladiator Arena environmentals for a cost of 25 plat each. Then, the PvP host can define which environmentals they want in their match, so effectively, your guild can have a "home arena advantage" if you practice with a specific environmental.
IMHO - it would be fun to set up a guild v guild match with Truell and Vortex Crystals.
I like how you mentioned the high amount of plat, so STG may actually give this consideration -.-
Great idea, i love it, buying your own games so you can kick but dummy farmers can use this to their advantage or people can go in and block out other guildies from not getting in so you've got interguild drama instead of drama between two guilds :/ , I suggest having it so that the GM or maybe officers can choose who can enter and to kick out various peeps from the game :D....but what if the officers start fighting over it o.o , great idea but a lot to look into imo
There's no way to end blocking, ganging, etc. Human nature to want to get to whatever goal, people will gang if they want kills lol. My own friend ganged me for kills lol
Serancha
08-27-2014, 08:29 PM
Blocking is almost totally limited to games involving the guilds who participate in it. These are the people with block-obsessions who tell me to leave as soon as I join a game. They automatically assume I am there to block before the room screen finishes loading, because someone in my guild is on the other team. Then if the same people find they are losing, it "must" be because of someone blocking because their egos say nobody could possibly kill them otherwise.
Normal people in normal guilds don't deal with this crap. We're not paranoid, we play fair, and anyone trying to block us gets bored real fast because they get nothing out of it. No reaction, no hissy-fits, and they don't make us lose either because we don't require our hands held by endless guild backup in order to play.
This is a problem of dramalama guilds, and threads like this always get shut down because they are just fodder for more of that drama, naming people and trash talking. If you don't like it, you do have the option to move to a pro circuit where people are normal and play with sportsmanship and maturity.
Blocking is almost totally limited to games involving the guilds who participate in it. These are the people with block-obsessions who tell me to leave as soon as I join a game. They automatically assume I am there to block before the room screen finishes loading, because someone in my guild is on the other team. Then if the same people find they are losing, it "must" be because of someone blocking because their egos say nobody could possibly kill them otherwise.
Normal people in normal guilds don't deal with this crap. We're not paranoid, we play fair, and anyone trying to block us gets bored real fast because they get nothing out of it. No reaction, no hissy-fits, and they don't make us lose either because we don't require our hands held by endless guild backup in order to play.
This is a problem of dramalama guilds, and threads like this always get shut down because they are just fodder for more of that drama, naming people and trash talking. If you don't like it, you do have the option to move to a pro circuit where people are normal and play with sportsmanship and maturity.
Preach it.
Socrates
08-28-2014, 03:51 AM
lol just in this thread there are like 2 ideas for new maps this has started like 4-5 months ago you think that if StS wanted to make that change it would have waited so long?
supersyan
08-28-2014, 06:46 AM
Bringing back a possible fix http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?148982-How-to-permanently-end-problems-in-pvp
Serancha
08-28-2014, 03:40 PM
+1
STS should take a serious look at his 2nd proposed fix as it is a great idea and it will help end some of that dirty play. I copied and pasted it here for STS' convenience.
"2.Spot blocking- make the join button only available if there is a spot available on that players team, when you press the join button it teleports you directly to the corresponding players team."
Totally disagree with this. How am I supposed to kill Ravvy if I can't join the other team? Or you, for that matter? If I can't join a friend and fight against them, I would quit the game. They are the only ones worth fighting these days.
phillyr
08-28-2014, 06:46 PM
No matter what approach they take its gonna piss some of us off and make some of us happy. If they do nothing....more and more lb players that have played this game since s1-s2 will be retiring. PVP is the only thing to do at endgame as theyve created a paradox with the locked drops. Nothing worth farming. So we PVP...now that isnt worth playing for at least 80% of the players out there who arent fortunate enough to have the new best weapons some of us have.
Serancha
08-28-2014, 07:34 PM
If you play enough, you end up playing them randomly. For example, if I had to guess, there will be a total of 10-15 players going to TDM at any point in time. So within a game or two, you'll have the choice to play against them.
This blocking or calling phenomenon doesn't happen at the start of the game. It usually happens later in the game, when players on Red team leave and Blue starts to gang or block because the other team has a rival gang [guild is not the correct term here] member. I understand your point though. Perhaps, this direct join (which bypasses the lobby) can happen after say when 5 or 10 points have been scored.
Another idea is to disallow anyone to join while the teams are even in the later rounds of a game. So, if the TDM score 15-17 and it's 3v3, don't allow anyone to join until someone leaves. I think this suggestion was more for CTF, where the death tolls don't end the game. I suppose there can be a time limit on when people can stop entering lobby and do a direct join instead.
I have been playing pvp for a year and a half. Blocking has never been a problem for me because I don't give it the time of day. Blocking is a form of trolling. They want a reaction. If you don't give them one and ignore them, they get bored and go away.
Being in a neutral guild, you shouldn't be having block issues unless you are in a match with the dramalamas, in which case I suggest finding a game with mixed players. Nobody bothers blocking games with us or Chiv (or most other guilds, for that matter) because we are not involved in drama or guild wars. Blocking us has no benefits to the blocker. All it does is make us stronger by giving us a challenge.
Bless
08-28-2014, 09:09 PM
...unfortunately spot blocking is pretty common and people are mean so it won't stop.
When i hear the word "block" allways 1 name comes to my mind xearthquakex. This guy is a block toon because he joins a game and blocks it i think i never saw him play to this point! He does good work for his guild, as Zeus said 5 or 4 in tdm were not enough! :eagerness:
So now i get an infraction because of insult of other players? Well, TY i care as much as STS for pvp changes/bug fixes/ listening to the community/ fixing kershal ! Have a nice day! ;) Honestly, I couldn't give a horse's rump about whoever you're talking about.
Only developers can end spot-blocking - period.
Crazymobkiller
08-29-2014, 12:22 AM
Bottom line is you can't end blocking in pvp
Saribeau
08-30-2014, 07:53 PM
Blocking is almost totally limited to games involving the guilds who participate in it. These are the people with block-obsessions who tell me to leave as soon as I join a game. They automatically assume I am there to block before the room screen finishes loading, because someone in my guild is on the other team. Then if the same people find they are losing, it "must" be because of someone blocking because their egos say nobody could possibly kill them otherwise.
Normal people in normal guilds don't deal with this crap. We're not paranoid, we play fair, and anyone trying to block us gets bored real fast because they get nothing out of it. No reaction, no hissy-fits, and they don't make us lose either because we don't require our hands held by endless guild backup in order to play.
This is a problem of dramalama guilds, and threads like this always get shut down because they are just fodder for more of that drama, naming people and trash talking. If you don't like it, you do have the option to move to a pro circuit where people are normal and play with sportsmanship and maturity.
this is nice for endgamers because some endgamers are mature. twinks ARE NOT MATURE. some are, 5%, most arent,95%, and so there will always be spot blocking. Then u ask "Why aren't you an endgamer then?" heres y. we have a total of 500k gold, or twinks r rich endgamers who suck at endgame so they twink to get easy kills.